You may have to wait until 2013. Who knows. 4G will matter when it is a major concern outside of one carrier in the US, and one which has patchy coverage at best.
Apple doesn't have many models - so they are not going to waste component costs, or space in the prime model with 4G if it is irrelvent to most people. They may create a top end model with 4G, at a premium some day, but it will not be the standard iPhone. I asssume they will also have cheap iPhone models as well. However, if they keep to one release a year, it wont happen next year.
I have no idea how or why this fallacy keeps getting pushed around these forums. China Mobile, with 610,000,000 subscribers, uses GSM for '2G' and a homegrown '3G' and 4G' based on 3GPP standard WCDMA(HS*PA) and LTE, known as TD-SCDMA and TD-LTE , respectively,
From what I understand, you're right, the iPhone works on China Mobile's network in 2G mode, but it's too slow for data transfer, so until Apple releases a LTE iPhone, it could release a China Mobile compatible CDMA iPhone to get 3G speeds. If that's true, then it would be bad for its image if other phones can utilize 3G speeds for things like video chat and the iPhone can't because it is limited by 2G speeds.
More space for internal components, fewer ports/cleaner-looking device, no need to swap out small pieces of plastic when abroad. ...
I should have been clearer, what I meant was that it makes no sense to just eliminate the SIM card in the upcoming model. It would make more sense to have an integrated one, but with a SIM slot for emergencies or areas where the integrated one won't work (at least for a couple of generations).
If the selling point of the next iPhone (or one of them) is that it is a "world phone" then going with a SIM-less one would seem to be an awkward way to go.
Verizon is moving to GSM. Slow no doubt - but true. Apple is going to work on and bring a whole new chipset they will need support? Sorry. No. The transition Apple is dancing with now is get Verizon users into iPhone, and until then - Apple will dance. But when Verizon goes GSM - Apple is perfectly ready NOW.
This article make no sense.
From what I understand Verizon is only switching to LTE which is a gsm based technology. There not actually switching there CDMA network to gsm. Though apples done said they will not utilize any 4G chips until a smaller more efficient chip is developed. So how is apple dancing around Verizon? When apple brought the iPhone to Verizon, Verizon actually attempted to load it with bloatware and put their "Verizon" stamp on the phone in the negotiating process. Which apple rejected and Verizon accepted. So that makes me wonder how is apple dancing around Verizon? The only thing I can grasp from them putting in a world chip (for CDMA and GSM networks) is so they can tap into a larger customer base. Which is a very good business move. I just fail to see how their dancing around with verizon that's all!
BTW: I have a Verizon iPhone and I'm glad apple taped into that customer base this is my first apple product and I just love it!
From what I understand, you're right, the iPhone works on China Mobile's network in 2G mode, but it's too slow for data transfer, so until Apple releases a LTE iPhone, it could release a China Mobile compatible CDMA iPhone to get 3G speeds. If that's true, then it would be bad for its image if other phones can utilize 3G speeds for things like video chat and the iPhone can't because it is limited by 2G speeds.
As previously stated China Mobile doesn't have CDMA.
CDMA isn't '3G', it's 2G' voice-only. You need CDMA2000 if you want data.
China Mobile: GSM (GPRS, EDGE), TD-SCDMA (TD-HSDPA), TD-LTE ≈ 610 million subscribers.
China Unicom: GSM (GPRS, EDGE), W-CDMA (UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA+) ≈ 175 million subscribers.
China Telecom: CDMA, CDMA2000 (EV-DO) ≈ 100 million subscribers.
Maybe China Mobile still owns and controls some CDMA networks but I thought China's plan was to split the technologies into the 3 distinct setups as you see above, which the only true overlap between China Mobile and Unicom when it comes to GSM '2G'.
Hopefully Apple doesn't get clever and decide to increase yield on the A5 by fusing off processing cores that don't work thus creating "single-core" A5s for the iPhone...
Apple always revealed the clock speed of the processor in the iPad but not the iPhone 4, and benchmarks confirmed it was slower clocked or at least throttled more. I guess they could conceivably do what you said and not tell anyone, I really hope they don't though. Something to watch for.
Imagine what would happen if Apple creates a sim-less card and secretly starts building out a cellular network or IP network. Imagine if you could buy the phone from Apple and get your cellular and data (or all data IP package for $70/mo).
Now imagine Apple gets 30 million people to sign up. This is 30 million phones at $200 each so $6 billion dollars + $2.1 billion per month in cash flow. Do you think Apple would piss off the carriers to increase their profits by a huge margin? In the words of Sarah Palin, "you betcha"!
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
A new rumor pegs a late July to early August release timeframe for Apple's anticipated fifth-generation iPhone, said to include an 8-megapixel camera and a SIM-less design that will not be a major departure from the current iPhone 4 design.
Citing an anonymous source, Macotakara reported Monday that the next iPhone will have the same form factor as the iPhone 4, and will use an ARM Cortex-A9 processor. The report said it is "not confirmed" whether the new processor will have a single CPU or is dual-core.
The report also said the handset will have an 8-megapixel camera, and a SIM-less design along with 3-4 internal antennas that will allow the device to serve as a "world phone" compatible with both GSM and CDMA networks. That would allow the same hardware to run on both AT&T and Verizon networks in the U.S.
The report claims that the device, which will include a Qualcomm chipset, will be released at the end of July or in early August. While later than usual, that release date would be sooner than the fiscal 2012 claim the same site made back in March.
Finally, the report claims that Apple's next "major new handset" will arrive in the spring of 2012. A spring release for a so-called "iPhone 6" was previously suggested in April, in a Japanese newspaper report that said Apple had selected Sharp to create next-generation low-temperature poly-silicon LCD displays for a thinner and lighter design.
The details in Monday's latest report restate rumors that have previously swirled. Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo with Concord Securities told AppleInsider in April that the next iPhone will feature "slight modifications" from its predecessor, including a new 8-megapixel rear camera. Other reports have suggested the next-generation iPhone will include both CDMA and GSM radios, making it a world phone.
As for the SIM-less design, last week the CEO of carrier Orange said that Apple will introduce a new, smaller and thinner SIM card in its next-generation iPhone. There were reports last year that Apple was working on an embedded SIM design that would allow users to select a carrier and service plan directly from their iPhone, but it was claimed that those plans upset carriers who felt they could be marginalized by such a move.
Picture quality on the new iPhone is also expected to be improved with a separate component for an improved LED flash. Various reports, including one earlier Tuesday, have suggested the flash will be moved farther from the camera lens to reduce red eye.
Last December, Macotakara correctly reported that Apple's second-generation iPad would have a smaller bezel, a flat back panel, and a larger speaker. The site also revealed that Apple was planning an event to announced the iPad 2 in March.
Imagine what would happen if Apple creates a sim-less card and secretly starts building out a cellular network or IP network. Imagine if you could buy the phone from Apple and get your cellular and data (or all data IP package for $70/mo).
Now imagine Apple gets 30 million people to sign up. This is 30 million phones at $200 each so $6 billion dollars + $2.1 billion per month in cash flow. Do you think Apple would piss off the carriers to increase their profits by a huge margin? In the words of Sarah Palin, "you betcha"!
Now, imagine a product category where Apple undercuts its competitors despite having a higher cost structure than they do. Imagine Apple in a business where margins are below 40%. Below 40%? How about below 20%!
Can't imagine that? That's because it doesn't exist, nor will it.
Imagine what would happen if Apple creates a sim-less card and secretly starts building out a cellular network or IP network. Imagine if you could buy the phone from Apple and get your cellular and data (or all data IP package for $70/mo).
Now imagine Apple gets 30 million people to sign up. This is 30 million phones at $200 each so $6 billion dollars + $2.1 billion per month in cash flow. Do you think Apple would piss off the carriers to increase their profits by a huge margin? In the words of Sarah Palin, "you betcha"!
Won't happen. This sort of fantasy only makes sense if you think the only market that matters is the US. But Apple knows the US will be secondary to China and soon also to India. Building a phone and its own network, even if it works, is a strategy for the US only and therefore not worth the investment. After all, Apple is not going to create a world wide network.
Won't happen. This sort of fantasy only makes sense if you think the only market that matters is the US. But Apple knows the US will be secondary to China and soon also to India. Building a phone and its own network, even if it works, is a strategy for the US only and therefore not worth the investment. After all, Apple is not going to create a world wide network.
Even then it doesn't make sense. Apple is all about keeping the highest value-added part of the product for themselves, and allowing others to perform the lower profit activities. There's not a snowball's chance in hell they ever try to provide telephone services.
I thought I read that Apple worked with Orange to create a smaller SIM standard.
That doesn't contradict what he said. If Apple and Orange (wait, I just realized the humor of that pairing...) are working to create a new SIM standard, then if Apple changes to it, it won't be a change to a "non-standard" SIM.
Here's hoping the collaboration is more like this:
Rumors come and go and besides the iPhone 4 being caught in a German bar in Palo Alto CA, most other rumors have been proven to be baloney.
8MP camera. This higher megapixel the better picture stupidity will never go away. Optics and sensor are almost never talked about yet those make all the difference in picture quality.
If there is an iPhone 4S I think I will sit it out till 5 comes out
SO, we'll assume no 4G capability until the next phone "in the spring of 2012". I might have to nurse my 3GS along a little longer and wait for the 'REALLY' new Apple iPhone.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
You may have to wait until 2013. Who knows. 4G will matter when it is a major concern outside of one carrier in the US, and one which has patchy coverage at best.
2013... Gosh, I am running my EVO 4G since mid 2010 currently registering 10.6 mbps data speeds.
That doesn't contradict what he said. If Apple and Orange (wait, I just realized the humor of that pairing...) are working to create a new SIM standard, then if Apple changes to it, it won't be a change to a "non-standard" SIM.
Here's hoping the collaboration is more like this:
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I might have to nurse my 3GS along a little longer and wait for the 'REALLY' new Apple iPhone.
Apple doesn't have many models - so they are not going to waste component costs, or space in the prime model with 4G if it is irrelvent to most people. They may create a top end model with 4G, at a premium some day, but it will not be the standard iPhone. I asssume they will also have cheap iPhone models as well. However, if they keep to one release a year, it wont happen next year.
I have no idea how or why this fallacy keeps getting pushed around these forums. China Mobile, with 610,000,000 subscribers, uses GSM for '2G' and a homegrown '3G' and 4G' based on 3GPP standard WCDMA(HS*PA) and LTE, known as TD-SCDMA and TD-LTE , respectively,
From what I understand, you're right, the iPhone works on China Mobile's network in 2G mode, but it's too slow for data transfer, so until Apple releases a LTE iPhone, it could release a China Mobile compatible CDMA iPhone to get 3G speeds. If that's true, then it would be bad for its image if other phones can utilize 3G speeds for things like video chat and the iPhone can't because it is limited by 2G speeds.
More space for internal components, fewer ports/cleaner-looking device, no need to swap out small pieces of plastic when abroad. ...
I should have been clearer, what I meant was that it makes no sense to just eliminate the SIM card in the upcoming model. It would make more sense to have an integrated one, but with a SIM slot for emergencies or areas where the integrated one won't work (at least for a couple of generations).
If the selling point of the next iPhone (or one of them) is that it is a "world phone" then going with a SIM-less one would seem to be an awkward way to go.
Verizon is moving to GSM. Slow no doubt - but true. Apple is going to work on and bring a whole new chipset they will need support? Sorry. No. The transition Apple is dancing with now is get Verizon users into iPhone, and until then - Apple will dance. But when Verizon goes GSM - Apple is perfectly ready NOW.
This article make no sense.
From what I understand Verizon is only switching to LTE which is a gsm based technology. There not actually switching there CDMA network to gsm. Though apples done said they will not utilize any 4G chips until a smaller more efficient chip is developed. So how is apple dancing around Verizon? When apple brought the iPhone to Verizon, Verizon actually attempted to load it with bloatware and put their "Verizon" stamp on the phone in the negotiating process. Which apple rejected and Verizon accepted. So that makes me wonder how is apple dancing around Verizon? The only thing I can grasp from them putting in a world chip (for CDMA and GSM networks) is so they can tap into a larger customer base. Which is a very good business move. I just fail to see how their dancing around with verizon that's all!
BTW: I have a Verizon iPhone and I'm glad apple taped into that customer base
From what I understand, you're right, the iPhone works on China Mobile's network in 2G mode, but it's too slow for data transfer, so until Apple releases a LTE iPhone, it could release a China Mobile compatible CDMA iPhone to get 3G speeds. If that's true, then it would be bad for its image if other phones can utilize 3G speeds for things like video chat and the iPhone can't because it is limited by 2G speeds.
- As previously stated China Mobile doesn't have CDMA.
- CDMA isn't '3G', it's 2G' voice-only. You need CDMA2000 if you want data.
- China Mobile: GSM (GPRS, EDGE), TD-SCDMA (TD-HSDPA), TD-LTE ≈ 610 million subscribers.
- China Unicom: GSM (GPRS, EDGE), W-CDMA (UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA+) ≈ 175 million subscribers.
- China Telecom: CDMA, CDMA2000 (EV-DO) ≈ 100 million subscribers.
Maybe China Mobile still owns and controls some CDMA networks but I thought China's plan was to split the technologies into the 3 distinct setups as you see above, which the only true overlap between China Mobile and Unicom when it comes to GSM '2G'.Hopefully Apple doesn't get clever and decide to increase yield on the A5 by fusing off processing cores that don't work thus creating "single-core" A5s for the iPhone...
Apple always revealed the clock speed of the processor in the iPad but not the iPhone 4, and benchmarks confirmed it was slower clocked or at least throttled more. I guess they could conceivably do what you said and not tell anyone, I really hope they don't though. Something to watch for.
Nuff said.
Now imagine Apple gets 30 million people to sign up. This is 30 million phones at $200 each so $6 billion dollars + $2.1 billion per month in cash flow. Do you think Apple would piss off the carriers to increase their profits by a huge margin? In the words of Sarah Palin, "you betcha"!
A new rumor pegs a late July to early August release timeframe for Apple's anticipated fifth-generation iPhone, said to include an 8-megapixel camera and a SIM-less design that will not be a major departure from the current iPhone 4 design.
Citing an anonymous source, Macotakara reported Monday that the next iPhone will have the same form factor as the iPhone 4, and will use an ARM Cortex-A9 processor. The report said it is "not confirmed" whether the new processor will have a single CPU or is dual-core.
The report also said the handset will have an 8-megapixel camera, and a SIM-less design along with 3-4 internal antennas that will allow the device to serve as a "world phone" compatible with both GSM and CDMA networks. That would allow the same hardware to run on both AT&T and Verizon networks in the U.S.
The report claims that the device, which will include a Qualcomm chipset, will be released at the end of July or in early August. While later than usual, that release date would be sooner than the fiscal 2012 claim the same site made back in March.
Finally, the report claims that Apple's next "major new handset" will arrive in the spring of 2012. A spring release for a so-called "iPhone 6" was previously suggested in April, in a Japanese newspaper report that said Apple had selected Sharp to create next-generation low-temperature poly-silicon LCD displays for a thinner and lighter design.
The details in Monday's latest report restate rumors that have previously swirled. Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo with Concord Securities told AppleInsider in April that the next iPhone will feature "slight modifications" from its predecessor, including a new 8-megapixel rear camera. Other reports have suggested the next-generation iPhone will include both CDMA and GSM radios, making it a world phone.
As for the SIM-less design, last week the CEO of carrier Orange said that Apple will introduce a new, smaller and thinner SIM card in its next-generation iPhone. There were reports last year that Apple was working on an embedded SIM design that would allow users to select a carrier and service plan directly from their iPhone, but it was claimed that those plans upset carriers who felt they could be marginalized by such a move.
Picture quality on the new iPhone is also expected to be improved with a separate component for an improved LED flash. Various reports, including one earlier Tuesday, have suggested the flash will be moved farther from the camera lens to reduce red eye.
Last December, Macotakara correctly reported that Apple's second-generation iPad would have a smaller bezel, a flat back panel, and a larger speaker. The site also revealed that Apple was planning an event to announced the iPad 2 in March.
Imagine what would happen if Apple creates a sim-less card and secretly starts building out a cellular network or IP network. Imagine if you could buy the phone from Apple and get your cellular and data (or all data IP package for $70/mo).
Now imagine Apple gets 30 million people to sign up. This is 30 million phones at $200 each so $6 billion dollars + $2.1 billion per month in cash flow. Do you think Apple would piss off the carriers to increase their profits by a huge margin? In the words of Sarah Palin, "you betcha"!
Now, imagine a product category where Apple undercuts its competitors despite having a higher cost structure than they do. Imagine Apple in a business where margins are below 40%. Below 40%? How about below 20%!
Can't imagine that? That's because it doesn't exist, nor will it.
IPhone 5, 4S, 6.
This must be quite frustrating for Samsung. They can't wait until Apple makes up its mind so that they know what to properly copy.
Imagine what would happen if Apple creates a sim-less card and secretly starts building out a cellular network or IP network. Imagine if you could buy the phone from Apple and get your cellular and data (or all data IP package for $70/mo).
Now imagine Apple gets 30 million people to sign up. This is 30 million phones at $200 each so $6 billion dollars + $2.1 billion per month in cash flow. Do you think Apple would piss off the carriers to increase their profits by a huge margin? In the words of Sarah Palin, "you betcha"!
Won't happen. This sort of fantasy only makes sense if you think the only market that matters is the US. But Apple knows the US will be secondary to China and soon also to India. Building a phone and its own network, even if it works, is a strategy for the US only and therefore not worth the investment. After all, Apple is not going to create a world wide network.
Won't happen. This sort of fantasy only makes sense if you think the only market that matters is the US. But Apple knows the US will be secondary to China and soon also to India. Building a phone and its own network, even if it works, is a strategy for the US only and therefore not worth the investment. After all, Apple is not going to create a world wide network.
Even then it doesn't make sense. Apple is all about keeping the highest value-added part of the product for themselves, and allowing others to perform the lower profit activities. There's not a snowball's chance in hell they ever try to provide telephone services.
Of course you can read about that in the normal press where they don't bother with the dribble that this nonsense article is based on.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrend...rnextgeniphone
Orange, the second largest retailer of the iphone in the world, just negotiated with Apple to NOT change to a non-standard SIM for a couple of years.
Of course you can read about that in the normal press where they don't bother with the dribble that this nonsense article is based on.
I thought I read that Apple worked with Orange to create a smaller SIM standard.
I thought I read that Apple worked with Orange to create a smaller SIM standard.
That doesn't contradict what he said. If Apple and Orange (wait, I just realized the humor of that pairing...) are working to create a new SIM standard, then if Apple changes to it, it won't be a change to a "non-standard" SIM.
Here's hoping the collaboration is more like this:
and less like this:
8MP camera. This higher megapixel the better picture stupidity will never go away. Optics and sensor are almost never talked about yet those make all the difference in picture quality.
If there is an iPhone 4S I think I will sit it out till 5 comes out
SO, we'll assume no 4G capability until the next phone "in the spring of 2012". I might have to nurse my 3GS along a little longer and wait for the 'REALLY' new Apple iPhone.
You may have to wait until 2013. Who knows. 4G will matter when it is a major concern outside of one carrier in the US, and one which has patchy coverage at best.
2013... Gosh, I am running my EVO 4G since mid 2010 currently registering 10.6 mbps data speeds.
That doesn't contradict what he said. If Apple and Orange (wait, I just realized the humor of that pairing...) are working to create a new SIM standard, then if Apple changes to it, it won't be a change to a "non-standard" SIM.
Here's hoping the collaboration is more like this:
and less like this:
That's great! Nicely done.
2013... Gosh, I am running my EVO 4G since mid 2010 currently registering 10.6 mbps data speeds.
We're happy for you.