Google and Apple renew partnership for maps, search in iPhone

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  • Reply 21 of 30
    juandljuandl Posts: 230member
    Apple would surely like to build out and only offer their map service exclusively.

    But I am sure that they have woken up to smell the Roses. The fact that so many

    People are worried about their location privacies, it kinda limits what Apple would want

    to give us in their new Maps

    The problem is, that anything they may want to offer, that would somehow outdo

    Google Maps would have to have location settings always on. Or at least when wanting

    to use the Map service to its full potential.

    They could easily offer something like what that company they bought, but fill it up

    with a lot more info or extra beneficial stuff. But what would it be if it could not give

    us useful information bevause we opted out of telling them where we are in the first place.
  • Reply 22 of 30
    hittrj01hittrj01 Posts: 753member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by juandl View Post


    Apple would surely like to build out and only offer their map service exclusively.

    But I am sure that they have woken up to smell the Roses. The fact that so many

    People are worried about their location privacies, it kinda limits what Apple would want

    to give us in their new Maps

    The problem is, that anything they may want to offer, that would somehow outdo

    Google Maps would have to have location settings always on. Or at least when wanting

    to use the Map service to its full potential.

    They could easily offer something like what that company they bought, but fill it up

    with a lot more info or extra beneficial stuff. But what would it be if it could not give

    us useful information bevause we opted out of telling them where we are in the first place.



    If you never tell a Maps application where you are, it defeats the entire purpose of it, no matter how many feature it has or who makes it. The whole point of a Maps app or GPS system is to show you where you are, where you're going, and how far it is away and how fast you're going to get there. If you're going to opt out of location services for a maps app, you might as well delete it from your phone or tuck it away where you will never touch it.
  • Reply 23 of 30
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    I agree. Apple shouldn't be feeding Google at all.



    I'm perfectly happy using Yahoo search. I refuse to feed the Google monster (not to mention that I'd rather not turn my life over to them).



    I dunno about where you live, but where I live (Canada), Yahoo and Bing suck. They are beyond suck. I don't have adjectives to describe how bad they are. Same for maps too. And this is an English speaking country that's next door to the US. I can only imagine that it gets even worse, the further you move away from the US (and maybe the UK). Google haters who talk up Yahoo and Bing must all live in US. Because there's no way they could live elsewhere and not know how bad these services are outside the US. Heck, I half suspect that a huge part of why Windows Phone is doing so poorly, is that it's so tied into Bing, which is just terrible internationally.



    If Apple kicks Google completely off iOS, they will see sales outside the US drop. There's no question in my mind about that. Love them or hate them, without a doubt Google international leader for web services like search and maps.
  • Reply 24 of 30
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post


    I'm actually a bit disappointed with this. The Google Maps app is identical to the original, and lacks all of the features available to the competition. I can only assume this is due to a choice by Google to not release the navigation maps app for iPhone due to their rough relationship with Apple.



    If they resolve to fix this and update the app which is in sore need of some lacking features, then I'll be satisfied.



    It's not Google. It's Apple. Why would Google reduce functionality in the Maps app? They want you to use their Maps. They want you to click on businesses that show up there. And they want to make it easier for you to navigate to those businesses. This is in their best interest. Easier for you = better sales pitch to those businesses which pay to show up on the maps.



    I'll bet money that Google would also want to offer iOS users services like Google Offers (for location based advertising for example) and Google Wallet (if Apple incorporates NFC tech and opens it up to partners). This is again, in the best interests of Google. The more users, the better and easier the sales pitch to their business customers. Think about it. Google wants users. They don't care whether the person is on Android, Blackberry, iOS or Web OS. As long as that person is using their services it's good for Google. So this idea that Google is somehow holding back (particularly in a case like iOS where Apple doesn't offer competing services) is absurd.



    It's really Apple here that's controlling the pace of these technologies on iOS. Just look at how long it took to get Google Voice on iOS. I don't understand why Apple offers a Maps app in the first place. Just let Google, MS, etc. offer a Maps and Navigation app in the App Store and let users decide which Nav app is best.
  • Reply 25 of 30
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post


    This deal with Google proves that Apple, at least, is not as stubborn and foolish as some like to believe. They have every reason to stop using anything that even rhymes with Google, yet they believe that Google still is the best in the world at a few very key things, and and they (Apple) aren't confident enough in their own experiments at this point to replace them.



    It's not even that. Business is business. Despite what fanboys (of either company think), neither one is out to destroy the other, even if they are competing.



    Google gets tons of revenue from iOS users. Apple gets $100+ million every year and gets search and maps for their users built in to the phone. That's a pretty good deal for both parties. Why would either one of them upset it?
  • Reply 26 of 30
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post


    As long as the google maps on iOS doesn't include adverts like the new version on Android does, I will be happy.



    Can you explain where you see ads in Google Maps? Are you referring to the businesses you can click on?



    Not only Google Maps. I see no ads in Google Talk, Google Earth, Google Sky Maps, etc. I don't even see ads in GMail on the my phone either (unlike the website). Can you tell me where you see ads, other than on Google Search webpage on your iPhone? I am genuinely curious. I see a lot of iOS users complain about ads. Are the iOS apps different from the Android apps? Every time I've used an iPhone or iPad, I haven't see ads. But do you see ads using these apps?
  • Reply 27 of 30
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maxxmanic View Post


    I know it would require Apple to do a lot more heavy lifting, but I would love to see Apple move away from doing so much business with direct competitors like Google and Samsung. I stinks to have to give money to someone working against you.



    Business is business.



    This isnt a personal relationship.
  • Reply 28 of 30
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post


    As long as the google maps on iOS doesn't include adverts like the new version on Android does, I will be happy.



    Which ads?
  • Reply 29 of 30
    blah64blah64 Posts: 993member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post


    If you never tell a Maps application where you are, it defeats the entire purpose of it, no matter how many feature it has or who makes it. The whole point of a Maps app or GPS system is to show you where you are, where you're going, and how far it is away and how fast you're going to get there. If you're going to opt out of location services for a maps app, you might as well delete it from your phone or tuck it away where you will never touch it.



    This is utter bullshit. I use gmaps/bing maps on desktop/laptop computers all the time and they are very useful. I have never once (explicitly) given my location, and the IP-based guesses are generally pretty poor. I only (occasionally) need to know where I'm going, I already know where I am. Oh, and FFS, I'm certainly not going to "check in" to places online.
  • Reply 30 of 30
    whcirwhcir Posts: 29member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Psych_guy View Post


    I'm not sure what it is, maybe I'm old, but there's this undercurrent of thought here that Apple needs to be his paragon of individuality and independence in order to succeed, when in fact, there are deep business relationships with just about every company (Microsoft included).



    And yet, I see this rather childish "Google (or whoever) Sucks, Apple Rules" mentality that makes me smile because if that's how businesses really ran they'd be out in a heart beat.



    I suppose it's just all the Apple fans here, myself included, who want to see Apple succeed, but don't really understand the business relationships that a company needs to thrive, whether it be Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Intel, whoever.



    In the end, it's all about pleasing us shareholders. Apple is on a high cycle right now. Let's enjoy it while it lasts, hopefully for the next 100 years or so.



    I totally agree. I love Apple's products, but there's some other companies' products I like very much also. As much as I hate the privacy issues and the bad results from the rise in SEO gaming, I prefer Google to any other search engine. I don't see that changing anytime soon.



    The reality is that these other companies don't need to fail in order for Apple to succeed. In fact, when it comes to Google Android, I can't understand why they are trying so hard to bash Apple. Google makes more money with more people surfing the web, clicking on AdWords, clicking on other Google placed ads, and doing Google searches. Apple is expanding their potential to make money just as much as Android in those respects. Of course there are other Google services they want people to use, but why hate when you can make money on your competitor's platform?



    There are many other examples where business relationships with competitors make a lot of sense.
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