Apple seems to be making it more and more difficult for families to share one iTunes account, or is the email address referred to here separate from the iTunes account email address? I really hope they have a solution for multiple users on one account because it is not going to be feasible to scale up with all of these different services being based on one account.
There is something called Home Sharing in iTunes. Look into it. Beside, your iTunes/App Store can be different from your FaceTime and iMessage accounts.
Apple seems to be making it more and more difficult for families to share one iTunes account, or is the email address referred to here separate from the iTunes account email address? I really hope they have a solution for multiple users on one account because it is not going to be feasible to scale up with all of these different services being based on one account.
I just don't see any of these iOS devices it's been made for multiple users. In fact they don't have user accounts. I think they are too personal for being considered as a multiple user device. Maybe the iPad could gain a user account feature, but that could happen just when the capacity reach 128GB or more and the processors could be more powerful. By now they are completely personal devices.
Wireless carriers were said to have been caught off guard by Apple's announcement of iMessage this week. Fees associated with text messaging and MMS sending of pictures and videos are a very profitable component of the wireless business for carriers.
o rly?
Something else that's profitable for carriers? Minutes. Can't wait for iCall to show up in the Phone app and a corresponding iCall app to show up on wi-fi only iOS devices. It's the logical next step. The awesome part of that would be that if you're on wifi you don't have to use your minutes you were only hanging onto for calling non-iOS devices. And the iPod touch might become Gruber's new phone
If text messages are just data and voice/VOIP is just data, why not call a duck a duck. The final straw for Apple eating the carriers' collective lunch will be when Apple becomes an MVNO. Then they'll be pitting the physical carriers in a bidding war against each other: Apple takes their cut, the customer still gets a price break, and only the carriers cry. I mean, if that happened, Apple could subsidize the phones themselves out of their cut, and the carriers couldn't say boo about sim-less or world mode phones. Lalala
From the beginning of Facetime Apple stated the intention for it to be an open protocol, though the API's are not yet available. Its likely Apple is holding the API's to make sure the system will be stable and not crash when it has hundreds of millions of users.
Is that better?
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So, if there is no API or no documentation, how is it open?
Apple seems to be making it more and more difficult for families to share one iTunes account, or is the email address referred to here separate from the iTunes account email address? I really hope they have a solution for multiple users on one account because it is not going to be feasible to scale up with all of these different services being based on one account.
I wouldn't be surprised if they integrate it into iChat.
I sure hope so. I'm finding myself missing iMessages when on the Mac. It's just so seamless.
I also hope they integrate FaceTime into iMessages. Not a fan of the two separate apps.
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From the beginning of Facetime Apple stated the intention for it to be an open protocol, though the API's are not yet available. Its likely Apple is holding the API's to make sure the system will be stable and not crash when it has hundreds of millions of users.
Is that better?
I think there are some major security hurdles with FaceTime being open.
The way I think it works is that Apple's FaceTime servers securely verify and handshake between both parties. You need only an email address to connect to a user, not a phone number.
As the party initiating FaceTime you obviously call back to the server, which sends a request to other party if it's on the network. The security part comes in here, with Apple's servers knowing the IP address of the other party because of a hidden "push notification" that got the request and sent back the IP address so both parties can be directly connected for real time A/V with QoS.
At least, that's how I think it works. If it is then being open to allow any server to use an email address to get your IP address is a security issue. If it not, and Apple's servers are between each and every FaceTime video chat then it can't really be open if Apple has to remain the middle man for any and all users.
The only way I can see this working is not being "open" in the sense that Android users expect services to be open, but instead using open standards so that Apple's FaceTime servers can act like a telco whereby you an AT&T phone can call a Verizon phone or even to another country's telco.
At least, that's how I think it works. If it is then being open to allow any server to use an email address to get your IP address is a security issue. If it not, and Apple's servers are between each and every FaceTime video chat then it can't really be open if Apple has to remain the middle man for any and all users.
Regarding the openess of iMessage protocols, hadn't Daniel Eran Dilger already explained here that it is based on XMPP? or was he wrong? He concluded that that would enable integration of iMessage into iChat.
How is this a look into imessage? It is a re-spin of an earlier article. Apple insider has posted many great articles that look into things, this is not one of them.
Thank you for the link. It helps... somewhat. In that process you still share App data and Game Center account among your family members. Not an ideal situation. But if we can just share iTunes purchases like music, movies, and books among multiple Apple IDs, it would be perfect.
One family Apple ID for: music, movie, book and magazine subscription.
One individual Apple ID for: iCloud, app (app data).
If App Store has family pricing then it would be even better. Oh and Shared Photo Stream on iCloud too.
iMessage makes me very happy. I disabled SMS on my iPhone 6 months ago and am much happier without it... anything to show carriers that $0.20/message is outrageous.
I would expect iMessage to make it into Lion 10.7.2 or .3. It would just confuse people to release a desktop client version of it before iOS 5 is released.
I am a bit confused if and how this gets integrated into FaceTime. It seems like it should, along the lines of Skype being capable of messaging, voice only, and video.
The killer feature of course would be if it could automatically redirect SMS to people via email... XXX.XXX.XXXX@ATT.com for example...
Because no phone number is associated with devices like the iPad and iPod touch, the iMessage client will work much like FaceTime currently does on those devices, and will be linked to an e-mail address. In addition, without access to a phone number, an iPad or iPod touch will not be able to send traditional text messages; that capability remains an iPhone-only feature.
But there IS a phone number associated with an iPad if it's subscribed to a cellular data plan. This would indicate to me that it's possible for it to have SMS capability. Has anyone with the developer beta tried this?
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Apple seems to be making it more and more difficult for families to share one iTunes account, or is the email address referred to here separate from the iTunes account email address? I really hope they have a solution for multiple users on one account because it is not going to be feasible to scale up with all of these different services being based on one account.
There is something called Home Sharing in iTunes. Look into it. Beside, your iTunes/App Store can be different from your FaceTime and iMessage accounts.
So...will there be a corresponding app in Lion? Is there a iMessage capability for the desktop?
I wouldn't be surprised if they integrate it into iChat.
Apple seems to be making it more and more difficult for families to share one iTunes account, or is the email address referred to here separate from the iTunes account email address? I really hope they have a solution for multiple users on one account because it is not going to be feasible to scale up with all of these different services being based on one account.
I just don't see any of these iOS devices it's been made for multiple users. In fact they don't have user accounts. I think they are too personal for being considered as a multiple user device. Maybe the iPad could gain a user account feature, but that could happen just when the capacity reach 128GB or more and the processors could be more powerful. By now they are completely personal devices.
I wouldn't be surprised if they integrate it into iChat.
That would be spiffy. Is there any technical reason someone couldn't create a mac app to do this?
Wireless carriers were said to have been caught off guard by Apple's announcement of iMessage this week. Fees associated with text messaging and MMS sending of pictures and videos are a very profitable component of the wireless business for carriers.
o rly?
Something else that's profitable for carriers? Minutes. Can't wait for iCall to show up in the Phone app and a corresponding iCall app to show up on wi-fi only iOS devices. It's the logical next step. The awesome part of that would be that if you're on wifi you don't have to use your minutes you were only hanging onto for calling non-iOS devices. And the iPod touch might become Gruber's new phone
That would be spiffy. Is there any technical reason someone couldn't create a mac app to do this?
Yes. There is a server side security certificate that only exist on Apple's servers.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/06/...tion-extended/
Is that better?
So, if there is no API or no documentation, how is it open?
Apple seems to be making it more and more difficult for families to share one iTunes account, or is the email address referred to here separate from the iTunes account email address? I really hope they have a solution for multiple users on one account because it is not going to be feasible to scale up with all of these different services being based on one account.
See if this helps:
http://blog.brianstucki.com/post/635...1/sharedicloud
I wouldn't be surprised if they integrate it into iChat.
I sure hope so. I'm finding myself missing iMessages when on the Mac. It's just so seamless.
I also hope they integrate FaceTime into iMessages. Not a fan of the two separate apps.
From the beginning of Facetime Apple stated the intention for it to be an open protocol, though the API's are not yet available. Its likely Apple is holding the API's to make sure the system will be stable and not crash when it has hundreds of millions of users.
Is that better?
I think there are some major security hurdles with FaceTime being open.
I think there are some major security hurdles with FaceTime being open.
Hmm really. What would those be.
The way I think it works is that Apple's FaceTime servers securely verify and handshake between both parties. You need only an email address to connect to a user, not a phone number.
As the party initiating FaceTime you obviously call back to the server, which sends a request to other party if it's on the network. The security part comes in here, with Apple's servers knowing the IP address of the other party because of a hidden "push notification" that got the request and sent back the IP address so both parties can be directly connected for real time A/V with QoS.
At least, that's how I think it works. If it is then being open to allow any server to use an email address to get your IP address is a security issue. If it not, and Apple's servers are between each and every FaceTime video chat then it can't really be open if Apple has to remain the middle man for any and all users.
The only way I can see this working is not being "open" in the sense that Android users expect services to be open, but instead using open standards so that Apple's FaceTime servers can act like a telco whereby you an AT&T phone can call a Verizon phone or even to another country's telco.
At least, that's how I think it works. If it is then being open to allow any server to use an email address to get your IP address is a security issue. If it not, and Apple's servers are between each and every FaceTime video chat then it can't really be open if Apple has to remain the middle man for any and all users.
Here is the link http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_clients.html
See if this helps:
http://blog.brianstucki.com/post/635...1/sharedicloud
Thank you for the link. It helps... somewhat. In that process you still share App data and Game Center account among your family members. Not an ideal situation. But if we can just share iTunes purchases like music, movies, and books among multiple Apple IDs, it would be perfect.
One family Apple ID for: music, movie, book and magazine subscription.
One individual Apple ID for: iCloud, app (app data).
If App Store has family pricing then it would be even better. Oh and Shared Photo Stream on iCloud too.
I would expect iMessage to make it into Lion 10.7.2 or .3. It would just confuse people to release a desktop client version of it before iOS 5 is released.
I am a bit confused if and how this gets integrated into FaceTime. It seems like it should, along the lines of Skype being capable of messaging, voice only, and video.
The killer feature of course would be if it could automatically redirect SMS to people via email... XXX.XXX.XXXX@ATT.com for example...
Because no phone number is associated with devices like the iPad and iPod touch, the iMessage client will work much like FaceTime currently does on those devices, and will be linked to an e-mail address. In addition, without access to a phone number, an iPad or iPod touch will not be able to send traditional text messages; that capability remains an iPhone-only feature.
But there IS a phone number associated with an iPad if it's subscribed to a cellular data plan. This would indicate to me that it's possible for it to have SMS capability. Has anyone with the developer beta tried this?