<strong>Thoth2, the arguments that you pointed out are exactly what have been going through my head. This is what I have thought about the situation all along. Your logical reasoning and good points that you posted are what I tried (but failed) to write in my posts and I thank you for saying what I have been meaning to all along. By the way though, I didn't "give him" the money like you said, he intercepted the mail. I am glad someone finally took the time to look at the situation and come up with a response.
Well, we have come up with an answer to the problem that I think my dad and I both agree on. He will pay me back the $2000 over several months and then I will be able to use that money for my portable computing needs or my automobile needs such as fixing the AC. Contrary to the way people percieve me, I am VERY grateful that I was able to receive this kind of money for a present. He thought a 16th birthday was especially important for some reason and I lucked out. So after a year, we have finally settled the problem. Thanks to people like Thoth2 who didn't just flame.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wha cares about the bloody AC... you live in Oregon.... even when its hot its not really hot . . . and its never humid . .
. you are truly a spoiled brat... and if I were your dad I would say:
" you were lucky you ever to got to use that laptop at all !!! . . . and go mow the lawn!!
don't forget the trash!!
get off line and gimme some push ups.... pronto!!!
and paint the garage when your done with the house!!!!
It actually has been pretty damn hot here lately, Pfflam. True, not as humid as some places, but the few people I know who don't have air conditioning have really been suffering this past couple of weeks. Hell, our AC is running right now and it's still 82 in the house.
G4Dude, maybe your dad needed the money at the time it came back. Sometimes parents have a cash crunch, even if it's just short-term, and don't want to tell the kids. On the other hand, I'm just guessing -- for all I know, pops has twenty million in his checking account!
You received $1600 as a gift (whether anyone here likes it or not). You turned it into $2000 to get something better than an iBook. Your father should be glad that you're smart enough to make money from money. He should also be glad that you weren't a greedy little prick and asked for more $$$ to get a Ti Book as you were willing to buy and sell until you had the funds to get an upgrade on your own.
No, he shouldn't have taken the $1600 back since he GAVE it to you. As for the $400, that was never his to begin with, so that's even worse. Basically, your father owes you $2000 (plus whatever interest it has accrued since then, or would have accrued against today's current saving rate).
You received $1600 as a gift (whether anyone here likes it or not). You turned it into $2000 to get something better than an iBook. Your father should be glad that you're smart enough to make money from money. He should also be glad that you weren't a greedy little prick and asked for more $$$ to get a Ti Book as you were willing to buy and sell until you had the funds to get an upgrade on your own.
No, he shouldn't have taken the $1600 back since he GAVE it to you. As for the $400, that was never his to begin with, so that's even worse. Basically, your father owes you $2000 (plus whatever interest it has accrued since then, or would have accrued against today's current saving rate).</strong><hr></blockquote>
And this is the point I have been trying to make! This is kind of why I brought the "lawsuit" thing into the topic. What would Judge Judy say? That was the kind of response I've been looking for. Thank you.
As for those of you that keep calling me a spoiled brat, like pfflam, why does wanting to pay for my AC make me spoiled? Why does trying to take $1600 and turn it into more make me as some said, "greedy?" Seems like a good business decision to me. Why settle for an iBook when I could easily work my way up to a PowerBook. This was going to be my primary machine so it made sense; where am I wrong? I may come off sounding like a brat, but many of you come off as sounding jealous. And for your information, sometimes it's hard to put things problems like this in writing. You can't spell out feelings, but I gave it my best shot. If my posting appeared to you to be offensive (as it obviously has), sorry. Give me a break, you don't even know me and are basing your opinion of me on a few posts. That's pretty dumb. Sometimes I just can't figure people out. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
1. Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves.
2. Wanting to eat or drink more than one can reasonably consume; gluttonous.
3. Extremely eager or desirous: greedy for the opportunity to prove their ability.
I'd say by dictionary definition you're not truely greedy. In fact, I can even see where you're coming from. Life is a relative beast, and while my father to have given me $1600 for a computer when I was in high school would have been... humbling, it isn't that way for everyone. Life is relative. You just wanted something better, and you devised a method to get it. Where I in your father's reeboks, I'd probably be a little upset that you weren't happy with what I'd given you.
However, if you wanted a TiBook, you should have sat him down and had a discussion. Perhaps taken the money you've earned elsewhere, combined it with the $1600 being gifted to you, and purchased the TiBook. I think the better way for you to go about getting what you want out of this situation would be to have an honest talk with your father, explain to him exactly what you want to do. Lay it out in proposal format.
This could really be compared to the whole grant process artists and researchers go through (and what a nightmare is can be). If I put in a proposal for a grant from the state's pro arts council to attempt to get some funding for a documentary I want to do... I have to explain to them in depth what I'm doing, why I'm doing it, what I'm going to do with their money, etceteras. I cannot, however, take that money, and use it for a purpose not intended... unless I got lucky enough to win a grant where they don't care what you do with the cash.
So in a sense, at least this is how it appears to me, let's look at the $1600 you were given as a grant for a laptop. You're sort of now being expected to use that money to purchase a laptop... and you've sort of broken the terms of this "grant" by turning around and profiting off of the laptop. I mean, saying you really wanted a TiBook is one thing, but you've mentioned that you also just want money for college. So you need to pick one... and re-work your proposal a bit. And if you really do want the $1600 cash for college spending, and not for a laptop, that sort of... isn't want the grant was for, and therefore, you're SOL on that front.
This is how I see it, this is how I think it would be most beneficial for you to approach it. And in the end, you are a minor, your ass belongs to your parents
Jesus christ. Why does everyone think I'm some spoiled rich kid? We don't have a fvcking maid. Not even a cleaning person that comes once a week like many normal middle class people. But, no, I don't do many chores because I cannot do them to meet my perfectionist mom's satisfaction. I clean my room, take out the garbage and that's basically it cause in her words 'I can't fvck those up."
heh, i bet you wish you would have never posted. i was just kidding, i don't care if you have a maid or not. how much money you or your family has is not relevent at all. sorry to ruffle feathers.
I spent my highschool years living in a neighborhood much like yours . . .yes I know the one, there near Reed . . . My father was a retired military Colenel but my mother worked at Real Estate and we got a super killer deal on a great house . . . this was in the seventies.
I lived right up against one of the richest neighboroods in the world . . (ask whatsiname on these boards, he lives there, Hillsborough, Ca.) . . . in my high school, there was an incredible class discrepency
on one side of me, in math class, sat the daughter of the Vice President of the Bank Of America . . . (many of my friends went off to Stanford, Yale, Harvard, etc) on the other side of me sat a resident of a suburban ghetto, poor as dirt.
Anyway, there were many truly spoiled kids at this school, getting all sorts of incredibly expensive gifts for things like... their 16th birthday . . . one kid got a BMW, not all the rich kids were jerks . . . but the spoiled one's were all flippant, arrogant, popular kids that felt that they somehow were actually better because their parents were rich . . .
they in turn believed outrageous things: one guy in particular, I remember, was an overt racist, who used the 'N' word regularly, even with his Southern Belle" mom in the same car. . . . needless to say they were all Reagan Youth.
so you might understand when I see a post like yours and I take into account what I percieve as your lack of real-world experiences (youth) and judge these things against your political posts .. . I can't help but think . . .'aahhah . . . why it makes so much sense, I've seen this before . . . especially when he doesn't even acknowledge his priviledge.'
Many of my friends were from very wealthy families.... luckily though, I ended up, not on the foorball team, (I quit and became thereby a 'Geek') but on Cross Country and Track, and ended up with friends that were insightful, and, who understood their positions, they saw the incredible disparity and never gloated over it or felt entitled to it out of superiority.. . . some of them hated the fact that their parents seemed to substitute goods for real caring.
when I was in high school, I, at least, knew that it was somewhat spoiled of me to get a bycicle for Christmas . . .after all, what had I done to deserve it?!?! While many of my classmates could barely get second hand albums from Goodwill. I knew that to some, I was spoiled.
I'll just say that my calling you spoiled is not tha serious . . . its half in jest.... but it wouldn't hurt to think about it . . . and ask yourself:
" what has this wealth allowed me to expect that I should recieve?"
Just so you know, I'm not one of those kids that gets a brand new car for their birthday, and I can't go up to my dad and ask for $100 when I feel like it. But, I go to school across town in a *really* rich area so I do know plenty of people like that. My gift from my dad was probably the biggest present I will ever get. All that made me mad was that he took it away. I mean, the dollar amount is not the point here, it's the principle of the thing that got me angry. I'd be just as angry over $20 also.
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<strong>Thoth2, the arguments that you pointed out are exactly what have been going through my head. This is what I have thought about the situation all along. Your logical reasoning and good points that you posted are what I tried (but failed) to write in my posts and I thank you for saying what I have been meaning to all along. By the way though, I didn't "give him" the money like you said, he intercepted the mail. I am glad someone finally took the time to look at the situation and come up with a response.
Well, we have come up with an answer to the problem that I think my dad and I both agree on. He will pay me back the $2000 over several months and then I will be able to use that money for my portable computing needs or my automobile needs such as fixing the AC. Contrary to the way people percieve me, I am VERY grateful that I was able to receive this kind of money for a present. He thought a 16th birthday was especially important for some reason and I lucked out. So after a year, we have finally settled the problem. Thanks to people like Thoth2 who didn't just flame.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wha cares about the bloody AC... you live in Oregon.... even when its hot its not really hot . . . and its never humid . .
. you are truly a spoiled brat... and if I were your dad I would say:
" you were lucky you ever to got to use that laptop at all !!! . . . and go mow the lawn!!
don't forget the trash!!
get off line and gimme some push ups.... pronto!!!
and paint the garage when your done with the house!!!!
clean up the dog turds!!
and never forget.... its 'SIR, YES-SIR!!!!!..
what's that son? . . . ..
WHY?!?
BECAUSE I SAID SO...THAT"S WHY!!"
just like my ever loving pah....
Edit: I got lost in the forum posting/quoting identity flux <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
G4Dude, maybe your dad needed the money at the time it came back. Sometimes parents have a cash crunch, even if it's just short-term, and don't want to tell the kids. On the other hand, I'm just guessing -- for all I know, pops has twenty million in his checking account!
You received $1600 as a gift (whether anyone here likes it or not). You turned it into $2000 to get something better than an iBook. Your father should be glad that you're smart enough to make money from money. He should also be glad that you weren't a greedy little prick and asked for more $$$ to get a Ti Book as you were willing to buy and sell until you had the funds to get an upgrade on your own.
No, he shouldn't have taken the $1600 back since he GAVE it to you. As for the $400, that was never his to begin with, so that's even worse. Basically, your father owes you $2000 (plus whatever interest it has accrued since then, or would have accrued against today's current saving rate).
<strong>Hmmm, what would Judge Judy say.
You received $1600 as a gift (whether anyone here likes it or not). You turned it into $2000 to get something better than an iBook. Your father should be glad that you're smart enough to make money from money. He should also be glad that you weren't a greedy little prick and asked for more $$$ to get a Ti Book as you were willing to buy and sell until you had the funds to get an upgrade on your own.
No, he shouldn't have taken the $1600 back since he GAVE it to you. As for the $400, that was never his to begin with, so that's even worse. Basically, your father owes you $2000 (plus whatever interest it has accrued since then, or would have accrued against today's current saving rate).</strong><hr></blockquote>
And this is the point I have been trying to make! This is kind of why I brought the "lawsuit" thing into the topic. What would Judge Judy say? That was the kind of response I've been looking for. Thank you.
As for those of you that keep calling me a spoiled brat, like pfflam, why does wanting to pay for my AC make me spoiled? Why does trying to take $1600 and turn it into more make me as some said, "greedy?" Seems like a good business decision to me. Why settle for an iBook when I could easily work my way up to a PowerBook. This was going to be my primary machine so it made sense; where am I wrong? I may come off sounding like a brat, but many of you come off as sounding jealous. And for your information, sometimes it's hard to put things problems like this in writing. You can't spell out feelings, but I gave it my best shot. If my posting appeared to you to be offensive (as it obviously has), sorry. Give me a break, you don't even know me and are basing your opinion of me on a few posts. That's pretty dumb. Sometimes I just can't figure people out. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
adj.
1. Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves.
2. Wanting to eat or drink more than one can reasonably consume; gluttonous.
3. Extremely eager or desirous: greedy for the opportunity to prove their ability.
I'd say by dictionary definition you're not truely greedy. In fact, I can even see where you're coming from. Life is a relative beast, and while my father to have given me $1600 for a computer when I was in high school would have been... humbling, it isn't that way for everyone. Life is relative. You just wanted something better, and you devised a method to get it. Where I in your father's reeboks, I'd probably be a little upset that you weren't happy with what I'd given you.
However, if you wanted a TiBook, you should have sat him down and had a discussion. Perhaps taken the money you've earned elsewhere, combined it with the $1600 being gifted to you, and purchased the TiBook. I think the better way for you to go about getting what you want out of this situation would be to have an honest talk with your father, explain to him exactly what you want to do. Lay it out in proposal format.
This could really be compared to the whole grant process artists and researchers go through (and what a nightmare is can be). If I put in a proposal for a grant from the state's pro arts council to attempt to get some funding for a documentary I want to do... I have to explain to them in depth what I'm doing, why I'm doing it, what I'm going to do with their money, etceteras. I cannot, however, take that money, and use it for a purpose not intended... unless I got lucky enough to win a grant where they don't care what you do with the cash.
So in a sense, at least this is how it appears to me, let's look at the $1600 you were given as a grant for a laptop. You're sort of now being expected to use that money to purchase a laptop... and you've sort of broken the terms of this "grant" by turning around and profiting off of the laptop. I mean, saying you really wanted a TiBook is one thing, but you've mentioned that you also just want money for college. So you need to pick one... and re-work your proposal a bit. And if you really do want the $1600 cash for college spending, and not for a laptop, that sort of... isn't want the grant was for, and therefore, you're SOL on that front.
This is how I see it, this is how I think it would be most beneficial for you to approach it. And in the end, you are a minor, your ass belongs to your parents
[ 07-18-2002: Message edited by: M3D Jack ]</p>
- he is very proud of you , because you made money with what he give you
- he take the money back because he is a ferengi, and he teach you the 251 learning of the acquisition : never give your money to a ferengi
[ 07-18-2002: Message edited by: progmac ]</p>
<strong>g4dude, do you do household chores or does the maid take care of those?
[ 07-18-2002: Message edited by: progmac ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jesus christ. Why does everyone think I'm some spoiled rich kid? We don't have a fvcking maid. Not even a cleaning person that comes once a week like many normal middle class people. But, no, I don't do many chores because I cannot do them to meet my perfectionist mom's satisfaction. I clean my room, take out the garbage and that's basically it cause in her words 'I can't fvck those up."
[ 07-18-2002: Message edited by: G4Dude ]</p>
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Jesus christ. Why does everyone think I'm some spoiled rich kid?
[ 07-18-2002: Message edited by: G4Dude ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
heh, i bet you wish you would have never posted. i was just kidding, i don't care if you have a maid or not. how much money you or your family has is not relevent at all. sorry to ruffle feathers.
I lived right up against one of the richest neighboroods in the world . . (ask whatsiname on these boards, he lives there, Hillsborough, Ca.) . . . in my high school, there was an incredible class discrepency
on one side of me, in math class, sat the daughter of the Vice President of the Bank Of America . . . (many of my friends went off to Stanford, Yale, Harvard, etc) on the other side of me sat a resident of a suburban ghetto, poor as dirt.
Anyway, there were many truly spoiled kids at this school, getting all sorts of incredibly expensive gifts for things like... their 16th birthday . . . one kid got a BMW, not all the rich kids were jerks . . . but the spoiled one's were all flippant, arrogant, popular kids that felt that they somehow were actually better because their parents were rich . . .
they in turn believed outrageous things: one guy in particular, I remember, was an overt racist, who used the 'N' word regularly, even with his Southern Belle" mom in the same car. . . . needless to say they were all Reagan Youth.
so you might understand when I see a post like yours and I take into account what I percieve as your lack of real-world experiences (youth) and judge these things against your political posts .. . I can't help but think . . .'aahhah . . . why it makes so much sense, I've seen this before . . . especially when he doesn't even acknowledge his priviledge.'
Many of my friends were from very wealthy families.... luckily though, I ended up, not on the foorball team, (I quit and became thereby a 'Geek') but on Cross Country and Track, and ended up with friends that were insightful, and, who understood their positions, they saw the incredible disparity and never gloated over it or felt entitled to it out of superiority.. . . some of them hated the fact that their parents seemed to substitute goods for real caring.
when I was in high school, I, at least, knew that it was somewhat spoiled of me to get a bycicle for Christmas . . .after all, what had I done to deserve it?!?! While many of my classmates could barely get second hand albums from Goodwill. I knew that to some, I was spoiled.
I'll just say that my calling you spoiled is not tha serious . . . its half in jest.... but it wouldn't hurt to think about it . . . and ask yourself:
" what has this wealth allowed me to expect that I should recieve?"