According to the study, differences in the major targeted dietary behaviors for cardiovascular disease (fat intake) and cancer (fruit and vegetables) suggest that vegetarian adolescents, similar to their adult counterparts, have dietary patterns that, if maintained, could significantly lower their risk of the leading causes of death as adults.
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Here's another one, with many sources used for the article.
I think that I would be a vegan(i am a veggy) if my parents would let me, they have this whole thing about milk. My definition of how i am vegetarian are
:I will not eat anything that has a central nervous system
This means that what i eat, has never felt pain, physicly or emotionaly. I do not justify buying meat at a store because something has been killed(excessive ammounts of pain)and you did not kill it. For survival needs killing is alright. I do justify buying vegetables and fruit because I know that the georgia peachs were not shot, and that their heads were not sawed off with chainsaws.
<strong>I think that I would be a vegan(i am a veggy) if my parents would let me, they have this whole thing about milk. My definition of how i am vegetarian are
:I will not eat anything that has a central nervous system
This means that what i eat, has never felt pain, physicly or emotionaly. I do not justify buying meat at a store because something has been killed(excessive ammounts of pain)and you did not kill it. For survival needs killing is alright. I do justify buying vegetables and fruit because I know that the georgia peachs were not shot, and that their heads were not sawed off with chainsaws.</strong><hr></blockquote>
plants are just as much alive as you or I. they die the same way...
the only difference is that you cannot relate to a plant the same way you can to an animal. but its still dying, any way you wanna look at it...
how many vegitarians do you know that wear leather? these are the people who are veggies "just to be cool"...
Recently I went on a trip to Italy over spring break... one of th students who was traveling with us was vegitarian... EVERY meal was a problem, she either didn't eat or had something special ordered for her by the chaperone (whom I love like a father---he was WAY to nice to her) and most of the time she wouldnt even finish the dish... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
and yet, her boyfriend bought her a leather jacket in florence <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> of course she loved it (and broke up with him soon after the trip and right after he asked her to prom... she still went w/him to prom too b/c she broke up with him just in timeso that the poor guy couldnt find another date....)
anyway... why is it ok to wear leather, but not eat meat?
my view is, if it causes problems with anyone other then yourself, you should not defer from the staus quo... but if you can get your veggies w/o making someone do something special for you, then you can do whatever you want... just finish whats on your plate... there are starving people all over the world... no food should go to waste
To cut to the chase, I think that vegetarianism is a foolish practice, often the result of an addiction or a mental block.
I'm not out to stop you from being vegetarian, but I find it to be an unhealthy way to eat. A few weeks ago the NY Times magazine had a feature article that covered the extent of my argument against vegetarianism. To summarize, the idea that low fat, high carb diets as recommended by the food pyramid are healthy is not at all certain. In the early 80's, when this diet was prescibed by the FDA as the healthy diet, it went against hundreds of years of contrary culinary data. Since then, obesity in America has surged.
Of all the vegetarians I know, so few of them are anywhere near fit. Most of them are way out of shape, chunky, and nearly anemic.
I've seen meat processing plants too. I've also seen water treatment plant, sewage treatment plants, and etc. The water that comes out of the tap is hardly clean. When there's a storm, raw sewage often overflows into the storm drains. Face it, there's fecal matter everywhere. Even on vegetables. The fertilizers are washed off of the vegetables with water that runs through miles of dirty pipes, and it never will remove all of the fertilizer. Farm raised meats are cleaned off haphazardly too, and there's plenty of bacteria abound, but It hasn't managed to affect me yet.
I would kill my own meat if it were practical. I've shot and killed animals and I've caught many fish. I'm clumsy as hell cleaning the stuff, though, and it's very time consuming.
Slaughterhouse video? *yawn*
When I was 12 my grandparents got some cows for us to raise. I named ours Socks and 3 years later after she was nice and fat we took her to the local packing place. They let me watch everything but the stunning and initial gutting. Ewwww.
The steaks ruled. Fresh beef just... mmmmmm.
I like meat. If you don't, cool. I even understand. After eating a lot of meat I feel lethargic, but I love it so I eat it. My bad cholesterol is probably terrible. Oh well, I love meat.
The only problem vegetarians run into is those who don't know what they are doing. I've run across kids with serious health issues because their parents went vegetarian for one reason or another and fed their children terrible diets.
But it is possible to be a vegetarian and very very healthy, it makes no sense that you couldn't be. There's no magic ingredient in meat that makes it necessary.
My cholesterol level is ultra low, while my good cholesterol is above average. I don't have high blood pressure, low iron, or elevated blood sugar levels. I'm lean and rarely get sick.
People get too uptight in defending the status quo. You should do what you think is right and what makes you feel good. Leave everyone else alone.</strong><hr></blockquote>
As I mentioned in the last post, the current status quo salutes vegetarianism. Anyway, I think meat eaters aren't so much against vegetarianism, but are rather against preachy vegetarians, which seem to be in great abundance these days. I'm only against hypocritical vegans: That is, the ones that are pro-choice.
Getting to the health topic, my health is excellent too, and I eat a boatload of meats & cheeses & fruits. Almost nothing green or starchy. We've discussed this before. My argument still follows: take a profile of world class athletes, and find how many are vegetarians. Most people don't even care about health and fitness, but you and I do (I would think), so this is a valid profile between us. For intense physical activity it's hard to get enough energy without heavy meats. Take it from a runner who tried lacto/ovo for a week.
As I mentioned in the last post, the current status quo salutes vegetarianism. Anyway, I think meat eaters aren't so much against vegetarianism, but are rather against preachy vegetarians, which seem to be in great abundance these days. I'm only against hypocritical vegans: That is, the ones that are pro-choice.
Getting to the health topic, my health is excellent too, and I eat a boatload of meats & cheeses & fruits. Almost nothing green or starchy. We've discussed this before. My argument still follows: take a profile of world class athletes, and find how many are vegetarians. Most people don't even care about health and fitness, but you and I do (I would think), so this is a valid profile between us. For intense physical activity it's hard to get enough energy without heavy meats. Take it from a runner who tried lacto/ovo for a week. </strong><hr></blockquote>
needing high energy = carbs = pastas
meat is more protein than carbs, although is just as necessary.
oh, and i hate people who just eat salads. the greens of salads just go straight through the digestive system, w/ next to no nutritional value. yes, they help you cr*p better, but unless yer a ruminent, most people on "green-diets" dont get nearly enuff nutrition from their food...
A healthy, balanced diet including a healthy lifestyle of exercise, no smoking, moderate drinking:
That's what everyone should strive for. Unfortunately, vegetarian or not, there are loads of people who do much more damage with far worse things like smoking, not exercising, drinking in excess, drugs, and the list goes on.
You're happy being a vegetarian? Fine. All I know is that most of the veggers I've known have either been overly skinny, or they've had health issues.
<strong>In fact, such a condition would be (over the long run) seriously detrimental unless a radical system of dietary compensation were in place.
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"Radical system of dietary compensation?" You mean skateboarding to the grocery store and doing tricks while shopping for meat substitutes? Dude. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> But seriously, it's common sense that vegetarians must compensate for minerals and nutrients found in meat. There is nothing "extreme" about it. It's just a part of their lives.
You're happy being a vegetarian? Fine. All I know is that most of the veggers I've known have either been overly skinny, or they've had health issues.
Must be fun. </strong><hr></blockquote>
You must not know a lot of vegetarians than. All of my vegan friends are just as healthy as I am.
I also play inline hockey twice a week and exercise 3 days a week. Hockey takes a lot of energy and I'm just as fast as any of the meat eaters. I usually find myself taking longer shifts during a period than some of my buddies, but that might be related to better stamina from more exercise and not necessarily my diet.
Anyway, my point is...saying vegetarianism is "foolish" is unfounded. If you don't think its healthy, than don't practice it. But don't go around telling people it can't be a healthy lifestyle because that is entirely not true.
No, I don't wear any animal products either in case anyone was wondering.
I can do without pork and beef. Life without chicken and fish is impossible. I always found lamb disgusting anyway so I'm one of these fake vegies these days. I only eat fish and chicken.
I was raised catholic and American so when I became a vegatarian athiest the folks had a bit of a hard time...keeping with family tradition (so I dont have to pay for college all by my little self) I eat the turkey on thanksgiving.
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Actually despite what some may think, McDonalds Quarterpounders are a conglamorate of the meat of 7 different cows. That is 7x the risk of a meat carried disease and 7x more HORRIBLY WRONG! So the next time anyone asks for a "Triple quarter pounder with extra cheese" I will slap them so hard they'll end up in a burger
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[QB]Prove to me .......
My cholesterol ....
I go to the doctor once a year....
I get all the protein, vitamins and minerals ....
I never have a problem finding....
I don't preach to anyone,....
So what's the big deal?...
People get too uptight in defending.. QB]<hr></blockquote>
Amen
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Okay, let's hear the LEGITIMATE, proven reasons that vegetarianism is more healthy than eating meats. I want sources.
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Since you asked:
<a href="http://www1.umn.edu/urelate/newsservice/newsreleases/02_05dietstudy.html"; target="_blank">http://www1.umn.edu/urelate/newsservice/newsreleases/02_05dietstudy.html</a>;
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According to the study, differences in the major targeted dietary behaviors for cardiovascular disease (fat intake) and cancer (fruit and vegetables) suggest that vegetarian adolescents, similar to their adult counterparts, have dietary patterns that, if maintained, could significantly lower their risk of the leading causes of death as adults.
<hr></blockquote>
Here's another one, with many sources used for the article.
<a href="http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/vegetarian_foods.html"; target="_blank">http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/vegetarian_foods.html</a>;
:I will not eat anything that has a central nervous system
This means that what i eat, has never felt pain, physicly or emotionaly. I do not justify buying meat at a store because something has been killed(excessive ammounts of pain)and you did not kill it. For survival needs killing is alright. I do justify buying vegetables and fruit because I know that the georgia peachs were not shot, and that their heads were not sawed off with chainsaws.
<strong>I think that I would be a vegan(i am a veggy) if my parents would let me, they have this whole thing about milk. My definition of how i am vegetarian are
:I will not eat anything that has a central nervous system
This means that what i eat, has never felt pain, physicly or emotionaly. I do not justify buying meat at a store because something has been killed(excessive ammounts of pain)and you did not kill it. For survival needs killing is alright. I do justify buying vegetables and fruit because I know that the georgia peachs were not shot, and that their heads were not sawed off with chainsaws.</strong><hr></blockquote>
plants are just as much alive as you or I. they die the same way...
the only difference is that you cannot relate to a plant the same way you can to an animal. but its still dying, any way you wanna look at it...
Recently I went on a trip to Italy over spring break... one of th students who was traveling with us was vegitarian... EVERY meal was a problem, she either didn't eat or had something special ordered for her by the chaperone (whom I love like a father---he was WAY to nice to her) and most of the time she wouldnt even finish the dish... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
and yet, her boyfriend bought her a leather jacket in florence <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> of course she loved it (and broke up with him soon after the trip and right after he asked her to prom... she still went w/him to prom too b/c she broke up with him just in timeso that the poor guy couldnt find another date....)
anyway... why is it ok to wear leather, but not eat meat?
my view is, if it causes problems with anyone other then yourself, you should not defer from the staus quo... but if you can get your veggies w/o making someone do something special for you, then you can do whatever you want... just finish whats on your plate... there are starving people all over the world... no food should go to waste
I'm not out to stop you from being vegetarian, but I find it to be an unhealthy way to eat. A few weeks ago the NY Times magazine had a feature article that covered the extent of my argument against vegetarianism. To summarize, the idea that low fat, high carb diets as recommended by the food pyramid are healthy is not at all certain. In the early 80's, when this diet was prescibed by the FDA as the healthy diet, it went against hundreds of years of contrary culinary data. Since then, obesity in America has surged.
Of all the vegetarians I know, so few of them are anywhere near fit. Most of them are way out of shape, chunky, and nearly anemic.
I've seen meat processing plants too. I've also seen water treatment plant, sewage treatment plants, and etc. The water that comes out of the tap is hardly clean. When there's a storm, raw sewage often overflows into the storm drains. Face it, there's fecal matter everywhere. Even on vegetables. The fertilizers are washed off of the vegetables with water that runs through miles of dirty pipes, and it never will remove all of the fertilizer. Farm raised meats are cleaned off haphazardly too, and there's plenty of bacteria abound, but It hasn't managed to affect me yet.
Slaughterhouse video? *yawn*
When I was 12 my grandparents got some cows for us to raise. I named ours Socks and 3 years later after she was nice and fat we took her to the local packing place. They let me watch everything but the stunning and initial gutting. Ewwww.
The steaks ruled. Fresh beef just... mmmmmm.
I like meat. If you don't, cool. I even understand. After eating a lot of meat I feel lethargic, but I love it so I eat it. My bad cholesterol is probably terrible. Oh well, I love meat.
The only problem vegetarians run into is those who don't know what they are doing. I've run across kids with serious health issues because their parents went vegetarian for one reason or another and fed their children terrible diets.
But it is possible to be a vegetarian and very very healthy, it makes no sense that you couldn't be. There's no magic ingredient in meat that makes it necessary.
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My cholesterol level is ultra low, while my good cholesterol is above average. I don't have high blood pressure, low iron, or elevated blood sugar levels. I'm lean and rarely get sick.
People get too uptight in defending the status quo. You should do what you think is right and what makes you feel good. Leave everyone else alone.</strong><hr></blockquote>
As I mentioned in the last post, the current status quo salutes vegetarianism. Anyway, I think meat eaters aren't so much against vegetarianism, but are rather against preachy vegetarians, which seem to be in great abundance these days. I'm only against hypocritical vegans: That is, the ones that are pro-choice.
Getting to the health topic, my health is excellent too, and I eat a boatload of meats & cheeses & fruits. Almost nothing green or starchy. We've discussed this before.
<strong>
As I mentioned in the last post, the current status quo salutes vegetarianism. Anyway, I think meat eaters aren't so much against vegetarianism, but are rather against preachy vegetarians, which seem to be in great abundance these days. I'm only against hypocritical vegans: That is, the ones that are pro-choice.
Getting to the health topic, my health is excellent too, and I eat a boatload of meats & cheeses & fruits. Almost nothing green or starchy. We've discussed this before.
needing high energy = carbs = pastas
meat is more protein than carbs, although is just as necessary.
oh, and i hate people who just eat salads. the greens of salads just go straight through the digestive system, w/ next to no nutritional value. yes, they help you cr*p better, but unless yer a ruminent, most people on "green-diets" dont get nearly enuff nutrition from their food...
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That's what everyone should strive for. Unfortunately, vegetarian or not, there are loads of people who do much more damage with far worse things like smoking, not exercising, drinking in excess, drugs, and the list goes on.
You're happy being a vegetarian? Fine. All I know is that most of the veggers I've known have either been overly skinny, or they've had health issues.
Must be fun.
Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>In fact, such a condition would be (over the long run) seriously detrimental unless a radical system of dietary compensation were in place.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
"Radical system of dietary compensation?" You mean skateboarding to the grocery store and doing tricks while shopping for meat substitutes? Dude. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> But seriously, it's common sense that vegetarians must compensate for minerals and nutrients found in meat. There is nothing "extreme" about it. It's just a part of their lives.
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You're happy being a vegetarian? Fine. All I know is that most of the veggers I've known have either been overly skinny, or they've had health issues.
Must be fun.
You must not know a lot of vegetarians than. All of my vegan friends are just as healthy as I am.
I also play inline hockey twice a week and exercise 3 days a week. Hockey takes a lot of energy and I'm just as fast as any of the meat eaters. I usually find myself taking longer shifts during a period than some of my buddies, but that might be related to better stamina from more exercise and not necessarily my diet.
Anyway, my point is...saying vegetarianism is "foolish" is unfounded. If you don't think its healthy, than don't practice it. But don't go around telling people it can't be a healthy lifestyle because that is entirely not true.
No, I don't wear any animal products either in case anyone was wondering.
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My bad cholesterol is probably terrible. Oh well, I love meat.
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You should check it, eating a lot of fat does not necessary leads you to a high amount of bad cholesterol, it depens of your genetical constitution.
I have a very low level of cholesterol whatever i eat, but i have to watch my weigth ...
I am also a meat eater, and i like it blue, i am also able to eat it without any cooking. From time to time i eat a Tartar's steak.
I can do without pork and beef. Life without chicken and fish is impossible. I always found lamb disgusting anyway so I'm one of these fake vegies these days. I only eat fish and chicken.
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