99.9% of these "enterprise" apps would be better served via HTML based services.
I don't know how many times I have seen people come in and pitch Flash/Flex apps instead HTML based web apps when Flash/Flex is not needed.
You remind me of the developers who came up with the banner ad at the top of this page. Sweet, a Flash banner ad that displays a static image.
Except you're wrong.
I reject requests for work that doesn't need Flash all the time. In fact, I just turned down two projects that weren't good fits.
There are MANY enterprise apps that are excellent fits for Flash. There are MANY that CAN'T be done in HTML. Flash has many features that HTML can't match...
Byte level data manipulation, read/write any data format
Hardware accelerated graphics
Compiled code with all of the benefits (faster, strongly typed, better frameworks)
Socket level communications (TCP, UDP, IP Multicast, etc)
Bit level memory format encoded data object communications protocol (AMF)
Remote Objects
True server side push (Not just long poll HTTP)
Multicast audio client and server
Direct video camera and microphone access
And the Flex SDK is light years beyond any Javascript framework for enterprise data visualization.
I don't make ads. I don't make anything that blinks or attempts to sell. I make applications that help large companies understand their data.
2) Well written Flash/Air desktop apps can now be ported to mobile devices quickly. And not just one specific type of mobile device, but several platforms of them. In the past month I've ported 3 very large enterprise Flex based UIs to mobile devices, and the results are fantastic.
I can't imagine somebody being that lazy. Crap in crap out.
We need to keep this sort of lousy software OFF of Steve's iPads!
Well written Flash/Air desktop apps can now be ported to mobile devices quickly. And not just one specific type of mobile device, but several platforms of them. In the past month I've ported 3 very large enterprise Flex based UIs to mobile devices, and the results are fantastic.
I'm willing to bet you did not use any localized strings. But if so please enlighten us as to the actionscript method used to end up with NSLocalizedString for iOS.
Doesn't matter. Apps made with this crap will be rejected due to poor functionality. Steve doesn't sell crap in his store, and every app made like this is going to be crap.
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With HTML5, Flash is NEVER needed.
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Originally Posted by Joseph L
I can't imagine somebody being that lazy. Crap in crap out.
We need to keep this sort of lousy software OFF of Steve's iPads!
Such a familiar writing style. I swear haven't we gotten rid of you at least twice already?
As we bring our initial Android TweetDeck beta period to a close, we wanted to quickly reflect on the Android ecosystem and what might be considered extreme fragmentation. To date we've had 36,427 active beta testers and below you can see the massive variety of phones and Android OS versions everyone is running. We were really shocked to see the number of custom roms, crazy phones and general level of customization/hackalicious nature of Android. From our perspective it's pretty cool to have our app work on such a wide variety of devices and Android OS variations."
You're on a Mac, right? Coda. Coda's great. Use that in conjunction with Hype (for high-level HTML5 animations. It's really, REALLY new right now, but updates should make it MUCH better).
You're on a Mac, right? Coda. Coda's great. Use that in conjunction with Hype (for high-level HTML5 animations. It's really, REALLY new right now, but updates should make it MUCH better).
No sense in wasting hundreds on Dreamweaver.
Still trying to compose myself from the "vomit on my shoes comment"
You're right I'm on Mac. I've just had both Flash and Dreamweaver for years and been wanting to take advantage of them since they came along with Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign.
I'm willing to bet you did not use any localized strings. But if so please enlighten us as to the actionscript method used to end up with NSLocalizedString for iOS.
HTML5 for video. Animation. Navigation bars.... anything Flash does, really.
Agreed.
Look up Hype in the App store, it looks like it can do a lot of what Flash does on the internet, and anymore than what it does (like a total Flash site) should never be put on the internet anyway.
Code in html, CSS and javascript or go away. Flash on the internet is wrong in just about every way. I have never, ever liked it and am so relieved we have better alternatives now. (been a web designer since 1995)
Must agree about Dreamweaver, I have learned it but I really hate how bloated and stupid it is, it can't even show divs properly in Design view (even Komposer does a much better job) I don't use Coda, mostly because it is too much for my needs (just personal taste, it is a good program), but I like Espresso, which is Coda-like, but closer to what I want to use. I mostly focus on CSS and php these days as my most of my work recently is customizing complex themes for Wordpress using the Genesis framework. So the companion program to Espresso, CSSEdit is my main program, eclipses Dreamweaver's CSS by far. I do use DreamWeaver, but less and less, the FTP for it is so annoying that I bought Transmit which I totally love.
You're right I'm on Mac. I've just had both Flash and Dreamweaver for years and been wanting to take advantage of them since they came along with Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign.
Have you had the same programs for years? If so the CSS in Dreamweaver is so woefully out of date (and the html for that matter too) then you are completely wasting your time. If up to date, then you are a bit better off. It doesn't hurt to learn Dreamweaver since you can get more jobs if you know it, but you would be better off watching the CSS videos at Lynda.com, CSS drives all of the layout and is so crucial for good looking and functioning sites.
Flash Platform evangelist Serge Jespers demonstrated the ability of Flash Builder 4.5 and Flex 4.5 to build iOS software in a video accompanying the post.
What the heck is up with his putting that god-awful Android sticker on the MacAir anyway?! As bad as an ugly tattoo.
If everyone did like you do, sites like Apple Insider would all go out of business.
Well, as I understand it Click2Flash only hides the Flash content, therefore the webmaster still thinks the client is indeed looking at the ad. If you delete the Flash plugin the webmaster can see that the client is unable to see the ad. So I don't think AI will go out of business if people use Click2Flash.
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99.9% of these "enterprise" apps would be better served via HTML based services.
I don't know how many times I have seen people come in and pitch Flash/Flex apps instead HTML based web apps when Flash/Flex is not needed.
You remind me of the developers who came up with the banner ad at the top of this page. Sweet, a Flash banner ad that displays a static image.
Except you're wrong.
I reject requests for work that doesn't need Flash all the time. In fact, I just turned down two projects that weren't good fits.
There are MANY enterprise apps that are excellent fits for Flash. There are MANY that CAN'T be done in HTML. Flash has many features that HTML can't match...
Byte level data manipulation, read/write any data format
Hardware accelerated graphics
Compiled code with all of the benefits (faster, strongly typed, better frameworks)
Socket level communications (TCP, UDP, IP Multicast, etc)
Bit level memory format encoded data object communications protocol (AMF)
Remote Objects
True server side push (Not just long poll HTTP)
Multicast audio client and server
Direct video camera and microphone access
And the Flex SDK is light years beyond any Javascript framework for enterprise data visualization.
I don't make ads. I don't make anything that blinks or attempts to sell. I make applications that help large companies understand their data.
2) Well written Flash/Air desktop apps can now be ported to mobile devices quickly. And not just one specific type of mobile device, but several platforms of them. In the past month I've ported 3 very large enterprise Flex based UIs to mobile devices, and the results are fantastic.
I can't imagine somebody being that lazy. Crap in crap out.
We need to keep this sort of lousy software OFF of Steve's iPads!
I don't know how many times I have seen people come in and pitch Flash/Flex apps instead HTML based web apps when Flash/Flex is not needed.
With HTML5, Flash is NEVER needed.
Well written Flash/Air desktop apps can now be ported to mobile devices quickly. And not just one specific type of mobile device, but several platforms of them. In the past month I've ported 3 very large enterprise Flex based UIs to mobile devices, and the results are fantastic.
I'm willing to bet you did not use any localized strings. But if so please enlighten us as to the actionscript method used to end up with NSLocalizedString for iOS.
Doesn't matter. Apps made with this crap will be rejected due to poor functionality. Steve doesn't sell crap in his store, and every app made like this is going to be crap.
With HTML5, Flash is NEVER needed.
I can't imagine somebody being that lazy. Crap in crap out.
We need to keep this sort of lousy software OFF of Steve's iPads!
Such a familiar writing style. I swear haven't we gotten rid of you at least twice already?
You remind me of the developers who came up with the banner ad at the top of this page. Sweet, a Flash banner ad that displays a static image.
Didn't get the memo? Ghostery + Click to Flash = No ads!
Didn't get the memo? Ghostery + Click to Flash = No ads!
If everyone did like you do, sites like Apple Insider would all go out of business.
What issues have you found in developing your apps for Android?
AppleInsider addressed this meme some time ago:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...teve_jobs.html
and this is what TweetDeck had to say a week prior to the article above.
http://blog.tweetdeck.com/android-ecosystem
"October 12, 2010 - Android Ecosystem Infoporn Overload
As we bring our initial Android TweetDeck beta period to a close, we wanted to quickly reflect on the Android ecosystem and what might be considered extreme fragmentation. To date we've had 36,427 active beta testers and below you can see the massive variety of phones and Android OS versions everyone is running. We were really shocked to see the number of custom roms, crazy phones and general level of customization/hackalicious nature of Android. From our perspective it's pretty cool to have our app work on such a wide variety of devices and Android OS variations."
ok, so i've been going over Flash the last few days on lynda.com to learn Flash. Should I even bother continuing?
You shouldn't have bothered starting.
Is there another alternative?
HTML5 for video. Animation. Navigation bars.... anything Flash does, really.
wow. ok what about dreamweaver?
I'll just go ahead and vomit on my shoes.
You're on a Mac, right? Coda. Coda's great. Use that in conjunction with Hype (for high-level HTML5 animations. It's really, REALLY new right now, but updates should make it MUCH better).
No sense in wasting hundreds on Dreamweaver.
I'll just go ahead and vomit on my shoes.
You're on a Mac, right? Coda. Coda's great. Use that in conjunction with Hype (for high-level HTML5 animations. It's really, REALLY new right now, but updates should make it MUCH better).
No sense in wasting hundreds on Dreamweaver.
Still trying to compose myself from the "vomit on my shoes comment"
You're right I'm on Mac. I've just had both Flash and Dreamweaver for years and been wanting to take advantage of them since they came along with Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign.
I'm willing to bet you did not use any localized strings. But if so please enlighten us as to the actionscript method used to end up with NSLocalizedString for iOS.
i did localize. Easily done with an XML package.
You shouldn't have bothered starting.
HTML5 for video. Animation. Navigation bars.... anything Flash does, really.
Agreed.
Look up Hype in the App store, it looks like it can do a lot of what Flash does on the internet, and anymore than what it does (like a total Flash site) should never be put on the internet anyway.
Code in html, CSS and javascript or go away. Flash on the internet is wrong in just about every way. I have never, ever liked it and am so relieved we have better alternatives now. (been a web designer since 1995)
Here is a really good article about Hype - http://mashable.com/2011/05/20/hype/
wow. ok what about dreamweaver?
Must agree about Dreamweaver, I have learned it but I really hate how bloated and stupid it is, it can't even show divs properly in Design view (even Komposer does a much better job) I don't use Coda, mostly because it is too much for my needs (just personal taste, it is a good program), but I like Espresso, which is Coda-like, but closer to what I want to use. I mostly focus on CSS and php these days as my most of my work recently is customizing complex themes for Wordpress using the Genesis framework. So the companion program to Espresso, CSSEdit is my main program, eclipses Dreamweaver's CSS by far. I do use DreamWeaver, but less and less, the FTP for it is so annoying that I bought Transmit which I totally love.
You're right I'm on Mac. I've just had both Flash and Dreamweaver for years and been wanting to take advantage of them since they came along with Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign.
Have you had the same programs for years? If so the CSS in Dreamweaver is so woefully out of date (and the html for that matter too) then you are completely wasting your time. If up to date, then you are a bit better off. It doesn't hurt to learn Dreamweaver since you can get more jobs if you know it, but you would be better off watching the CSS videos at Lynda.com, CSS drives all of the layout and is so crucial for good looking and functioning sites.
Flash Platform evangelist Serge Jespers demonstrated the ability of Flash Builder 4.5 and Flex 4.5 to build iOS software in a video accompanying the post.
What the heck is up with his putting that god-awful Android sticker on the MacAir anyway?! As bad as an ugly tattoo.
If everyone did like you do, sites like Apple Insider would all go out of business.
Well, as I understand it Click2Flash only hides the Flash content, therefore the webmaster still thinks the client is indeed looking at the ad. If you delete the Flash plugin the webmaster can see that the client is unable to see the ad. So I don't think AI will go out of business if people use Click2Flash.