I am not sure apple would do the whole tv set. I think its more likely that they would put the tv inside other brands of tv's, or as the tv evolves I could see an even smaller device (thinks ipod nano sized) with and HDMI male output that plugs directly into an existing tv. The remote, if IR is an obstacle. i bet they'd figure that out in short order though.
Also, is the any power provided through HDMI? I'm not sure off the top if it is...
My large flat screen is wall mounted and there is easily enough room for the smaller plug-in device i described. Just think of it, take the screen and battery off the ipod touch or nano and it would be very compact.
Apple is the only company with a chance to provide a TV product that can give your living room one simple remote control. Like when the remote originally came out, you had one per living room. I'd like that elegant simplicity again.
1. Apple has been selling computer displays for a decades and they've often featured best in class. What's a TV but a monitor with a tuner?
2. Jobs has always wanted to follow in Sony's footsteps.
3. Remember the speaker system that Apple sold? Jobs likes electronics.
4. Apple likes to reinvent things. Why not TV next?
5. Apple wants to control the whole ecosystem with computing. With mobile. Soon with TV.
6. An Apple TV with your iPhone/iPod/iPad as a remote control. Natural.
7. Apple could get fetch a bigger margin on TVs than anybody in the world.
8. It's a big market.
9. Apps on the biggest screen in the house...makes a lot of sense.
10. Apple will sell the thing with ONE cable that will handle every input and output.
11. It's a perfect way to sell more content on iTunes
12. It will probably have a great audio system included. All in One.
1. Actually, aside from the case, Apple displays have often been criticized for inaccurate color and for being overpriced.
2. No he doesn't. The companies are completely the opposite: Apple sells a small number of different products and Sony has tens of thousands. Apple is highly profitable and has huge margins and Sony has tiny margins and has been losing money for years.
3. Apple sold Harmon-Kardon's speaker system the same way they sell replacement ink for the printers they sell. What's your point?
4. Because it's a commodity market and as Steve has said in the past, it's impossible to compete at the set top box level because of the decentralization of the industry.
6. There are many electronic products that already have remote control apps that work on the iPod.
7. Only if they overprice them.
9. It only makes sense if the apps are designed for the screen, which they're not. Remember how bad iPhone apps that weren't designed for the iPad looked on the iPad?
10. No they won't. Either it will have multiple inputs and outputs, so you could hookup your cable, Blu-ray player, and receiver for decent sound or it won't and you won't be able to hookup any of those devices and Apple will attempt to lock you in to their eco-system, which worked for music because they were able to get deals with all the labels, but won't work for TV because they'll never get the rights to all shows and events.
11. Actually, it could be the opposite. If you spend more time watching TV shows or movies, you spend less time listening to iTunes. Besides, I don't want to listen to iTunes via TV set crappy speakers.
12. No it won't. It will have some crappy desktop system embedded. People have completely forgotten what good audio sounds like because iTunes and other portable listening has killed the hi-fi industry except perhaps for home theatre enthusiasts.
1. Apple has been selling computer displays for a decades and they've often featured best in class. What's a TV but a monitor with a tuner?
2. Jobs has always wanted to follow in Sony's footsteps.
3. Remember the speaker system that Apple sold? Jobs likes electronics.
4. Apple likes to reinvent things. Why not TV next?
5. Apple wants to control the whole ecosystem with computing. With mobile. Soon with TV.
6. An Apple TV with your iPhone/iPod/iPad as a remote control. Natural.
7. Apple could get fetch a bigger margin on TVs than anybody in the world.
8. It's a big market.
9. Apps on the biggest screen in the house...makes a lot of sense.
10. Apple will sell the thing with ONE cable that will handle every input and output.
11. It's a perfect way to sell more content on iTunes
12. It will probably have a great audio system included. All in One.
1. And televisions are a market with no room for profit, even when you're making the parts yourself.
2. Nope.
3. Great, you never had a legitimate reason for this list at all, did you?
4. Because they already have. With Apple TV. You can't reinvent the HARDWARE of a TV; the software is what needs it.
5. And they do. With Apple TV. Because there's nothing to CONTROL inside a TV.
6. And you can do this now.
7. Nope.
8. Nope.
9. And we'll have that with the A5 Apple TV, but not the stupid applications that are actually in the App Store. It will have its own apps. Called channels. And you'll buy them a la carte.
10. That's completely stupid. No one is going to repurchase their sound systems and no company is going to modify their set top boxes to work. Therefore no one would buy the thing. Ever.
11. That's why the Apple TV exists. For HEAVEN'S sake.
12. When you can magically include 7.1 surround sound in a box sitting directly in front of me, I'll consider it.
Yeah this sounds too made up. A former Apple exec? What executive, senior enough to know about their plans, has left recently? And wouldn't s/he be under a strict NDA anyway? The NDA doesn't disappear once you leave the company. Also, the "inside" info seems a bit generic. Anybody with a cursory knowledge of Apple and their rumored TV plans could come up with those quotes.
Edit: upon re-reading this article, I am further convinced that it is complete bull$hit. No way.
Such a TV would be a flop, not enough demand for it. Why spend $800 more on a TV when you could get a really nice standard LCD & pick up an ATV for $99.
Or maybe they might just finance a player that's willing to deliver the kind of cheap fast service that's the norm in Japan?
We've paid so much in the US for our internet infrastructure and received so little from the telcos.
As far as I know no US teleco or ISP is willing to make that big of a jump for any reason. Google is neither, but is rolling out 1Gb/s fiber optics currently, in kansas I believe.
All you naysayers will be lining up around the Apple Store for iTV.
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Originally Posted by mesomorphicman
If it offers the same or very similar rental features as Netflix why can't they maybe not beat them, but strongly compete?
I agree, sports is the only thing keeping me tethered to cable tv. If someone could find a way to get live sports on apple tv or any similar device I'd dump comcast and get a *tv box.
They did try to do the Volkswagen iPod car a handful of years ago, but the deal fell through (reportedly). Apple doesn't make cars, but they tried to get VW to put iPod like device and more into cars. Why not a TV?
For the people saying "BS" and false will you return and admit to being wrong if this time next year Apple is offering HDTVs at their stores and in Best Buy? Some here love to make bold claims as if...
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Originally Posted by BUSHMAN4
Sounds possible. Hopefully Apple does it right.
At least some people in here have vision. ha ha
I don't know why there are so many doubters. Regardless of this article, I think it is a natural path for Apple to take. For those who ask who would buy an Apple branded TV? You would and so would millions of others. Why? Because Apple takes things we take for granted, and revolutionizes how we think about them. In hind sight we say "How did we ever use the old one?"
Maybe the Netflix comment threw people off. Of course it will have iTunes bundled with it. You will have all of the content and subscription options available through ITMS. But that does not mean it will not have normal provider input options like satellite and cable.
It just means everything will be tightly integrated with an Apple GUI. One of the major reasons I don't use my 1st generation and current Apple TVs is because it is outside my normal TV viewing mode of operation. I have to change the input and then grab the other remote. Yes, I know that we do this with the DVD player too but that is the point. It needs to be integrated so that it is part of our normal TV viewing experience.
I don't think Apple can roll out a TV until ATV2 is perfect, and I don't think it is. I think there also needs to be a better streaming option for non iTunes content. I personally don't want to rely on having my computer on anymore.
It would be awesome, though, if the Apple comes out with a TV that mimics Quicktime's bezeless display... all picture, floating on the wall. That would be cool.
I think it is possible they prototyped it, but then decided it wasn't the best move.
The TV part has too many licenses and deals that would have to be worked out. Plus it would be a pain to deal with on the retail side.
Add to this that the real power is the content not the hardware. To compete with all the other stuff they would have to have same day posting of tv show episodes preferably on a subscription system leveraging rental files that could be downloaded again if you wanted to repeat view something. Plus all the shows from all the nets right away (no more HBO and Showtime waiting until the home video release for the rentals) and so on. And you can do that and run it with the existing little black box.
Next step is to get a blu-ray quality HD file that lacks the huge file size overhead and getting folks on board with building feature sets etc. Preferably in a way where you can watch it on your tv, your i-devices and your computer with one buy.
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Originally Posted by halhiker
On TV, live sporting events are all that matter. Unless Apple can find a way to overcome the contractual obligations of sports teams to the networks than this idea is a non-starter.
There's already the NBA and MLB apps on the ATV2
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Originally Posted by TBell
I do not know if I believe the story, but I believe Apple is working on a TV. Google is working on a TV. Apple likely doesn't want to give Google an inch.
but that last assumption doesn't equal to Apple making a TV.
Google's downfall was content. They didn't make the proper deals and got shut down by the folks they ignored.
Apple is not making that mistake. They are working on the content every day. ANd they will likely get it. And they won't need an Apple Branded TV set to make it work. The little black box and the tv of your choice will be just fine
And they'll have us saying that about our set top boxes when the A5 Apple TV comes out.
Which is already taken care of by Apple TV.
A5 Apple TV will remove all need to switch inputs away from it. You want 'vision'? THAT is vision: the death of cable and satellite.
Going by how hard it has been for Apple to work with the TV networks, I have serious doubts the Apple TV will kill Satellite or cable. Perhaps, but not a given. My point is that the hardware and GUI integration with the TV is coming. That has not happened yet. I don't understand when you say it has already been taken care of by Apple TV.
As the iPod showed us, the Apple hardware will drive the use of the Apple content. It has not worked yet because the hardware has not been successful yet. Therefore the content providers do not feel the pressure to support it. We know the music content providers reluctantly works with Apple because they know that is where the market is. It is not the same with TV. But, if Apple can make a TV that everybody wants, then who knows...
If they ever do that they need to make the iOS electronics upgradable. Somekind of plug-in module that could be integreated inside the TV but with easy access. TV normal lifespand requires it. Your not going to replace a 40" TV every 2 years and after 5 years + the iOS hardware is going to be completed out of date and youre going to end up with external devices again.
If they ever do that they need to make the iOS electronics upgradable. Somekind of plug-in module. TV normal lifespand requires it. Your not going to replace a 40" TV every 2 years or people will just boycott it.
And if you refuse to believe that Apple wouldn't make a TV because it doesn't fit anywhere near their normal profit/price boundaries, THIS is the clincher. Apple would NEVER make it upgradable.
Not really. You still have to deal with the UI of the other (inevitably) associated devices. The worst of these is often the TV itself.
As far as other sources, optical disks and on air TV aren't disappearing, especially when you lose your Internet connection. Then theres the huge number of people who don't have access to sufficiently "broad" band to support decent TV content.
A former Apple executive informed me that the iTV will feature motion sensors that allow you to interact with porn actors and actresses while masturbating. iJerk will retail for $1000 with a $200 leather splash guard as an add on accessory.
Cool.... hope this rumor is right. Still have yet to buy a flat screen and ever since I heard rumor of this... someplace.... I decided to hold off. I always wondered why nobody was building a DVR right into the TV.
Huh? LG have had DVRs built into some of their TVs for at least 4 years. I considered them when I bought my plasma.
What is it with this worlds obsession with balls, from little (marbles) to large (basketballs)? It amazes me for example; the amount of people following around and glued to their tv's watching grown men hitting a tiny golf ball hundreds of yards into little holes in the ground in less hits than others! What's more amazing is the amount of $$$ they get for it, not just the better but even the worst get $$. And this is common to all "ball"games.
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My ATV replaced my stereo in my loving room so I was able to get rid of the components and all the attendant wires, pwr plugs, ugly pwr bricks, etc.
While I give you credit for having a loving room, may I ask what you plug your speakers into now you have got rid of your stereo?
Also, is the any power provided through HDMI? I'm not sure off the top if it is...
My large flat screen is wall mounted and there is easily enough room for the smaller plug-in device i described. Just think of it, take the screen and battery off the ipod touch or nano and it would be very compact.
just a thought
Apple is the only company with a chance to provide a TV product that can give your living room one simple remote control. Like when the remote originally came out, you had one per living room. I'd like that elegant simplicity again.
http://www.logitech.com/remotes/universal-remotes
You're welcome.
Just run the optical out to your home theater system.
Did you expect any TV to replace a home theater system? If so, why?
Because someone was suggesting that an iTV would be an all-in-one device and replace all the other electronics.
Here are 12 reasons I see it happen:
1. Apple has been selling computer displays for a decades and they've often featured best in class. What's a TV but a monitor with a tuner?
2. Jobs has always wanted to follow in Sony's footsteps.
3. Remember the speaker system that Apple sold? Jobs likes electronics.
4. Apple likes to reinvent things. Why not TV next?
5. Apple wants to control the whole ecosystem with computing. With mobile. Soon with TV.
6. An Apple TV with your iPhone/iPod/iPad as a remote control. Natural.
7. Apple could get fetch a bigger margin on TVs than anybody in the world.
8. It's a big market.
9. Apps on the biggest screen in the house...makes a lot of sense.
10. Apple will sell the thing with ONE cable that will handle every input and output.
11. It's a perfect way to sell more content on iTunes
12. It will probably have a great audio system included. All in One.
1. Actually, aside from the case, Apple displays have often been criticized for inaccurate color and for being overpriced.
2. No he doesn't. The companies are completely the opposite: Apple sells a small number of different products and Sony has tens of thousands. Apple is highly profitable and has huge margins and Sony has tiny margins and has been losing money for years.
3. Apple sold Harmon-Kardon's speaker system the same way they sell replacement ink for the printers they sell. What's your point?
4. Because it's a commodity market and as Steve has said in the past, it's impossible to compete at the set top box level because of the decentralization of the industry.
6. There are many electronic products that already have remote control apps that work on the iPod.
7. Only if they overprice them.
9. It only makes sense if the apps are designed for the screen, which they're not. Remember how bad iPhone apps that weren't designed for the iPad looked on the iPad?
10. No they won't. Either it will have multiple inputs and outputs, so you could hookup your cable, Blu-ray player, and receiver for decent sound or it won't and you won't be able to hookup any of those devices and Apple will attempt to lock you in to their eco-system, which worked for music because they were able to get deals with all the labels, but won't work for TV because they'll never get the rights to all shows and events.
11. Actually, it could be the opposite. If you spend more time watching TV shows or movies, you spend less time listening to iTunes. Besides, I don't want to listen to iTunes via TV set crappy speakers.
12. No it won't. It will have some crappy desktop system embedded. People have completely forgotten what good audio sounds like because iTunes and other portable listening has killed the hi-fi industry except perhaps for home theatre enthusiasts.
Here are 12 reasons I see it happen:
1. Apple has been selling computer displays for a decades and they've often featured best in class. What's a TV but a monitor with a tuner?
2. Jobs has always wanted to follow in Sony's footsteps.
3. Remember the speaker system that Apple sold? Jobs likes electronics.
4. Apple likes to reinvent things. Why not TV next?
5. Apple wants to control the whole ecosystem with computing. With mobile. Soon with TV.
6. An Apple TV with your iPhone/iPod/iPad as a remote control. Natural.
7. Apple could get fetch a bigger margin on TVs than anybody in the world.
8. It's a big market.
9. Apps on the biggest screen in the house...makes a lot of sense.
10. Apple will sell the thing with ONE cable that will handle every input and output.
11. It's a perfect way to sell more content on iTunes
12. It will probably have a great audio system included. All in One.
1. And televisions are a market with no room for profit, even when you're making the parts yourself.
2. Nope.
3. Great, you never had a legitimate reason for this list at all, did you?
4. Because they already have. With Apple TV. You can't reinvent the HARDWARE of a TV; the software is what needs it.
5. And they do. With Apple TV. Because there's nothing to CONTROL inside a TV.
6. And you can do this now.
7. Nope.
8. Nope.
9. And we'll have that with the A5 Apple TV, but not the stupid applications that are actually in the App Store. It will have its own apps. Called channels. And you'll buy them a la carte.
10. That's completely stupid. No one is going to repurchase their sound systems and no company is going to modify their set top boxes to work. Therefore no one would buy the thing. Ever.
11. That's why the Apple TV exists. For HEAVEN'S sake.
12. When you can magically include 7.1 surround sound in a box sitting directly in front of me, I'll consider it.
Yeah this sounds too made up. A former Apple exec? What executive, senior enough to know about their plans, has left recently? And wouldn't s/he be under a strict NDA anyway? The NDA doesn't disappear once you leave the company. Also, the "inside" info seems a bit generic. Anybody with a cursory knowledge of Apple and their rumored TV plans could come up with those quotes.
Edit: upon re-reading this article, I am further convinced that it is complete bull$hit. No way.
Such a TV would be a flop, not enough demand for it. Why spend $800 more on a TV when you could get a really nice standard LCD & pick up an ATV for $99.
Or maybe they might just finance a player that's willing to deliver the kind of cheap fast service that's the norm in Japan?
We've paid so much in the US for our internet infrastructure and received so little from the telcos.
As far as I know no US teleco or ISP is willing to make that big of a jump for any reason. Google is neither, but is rolling out 1Gb/s fiber optics currently, in kansas I believe.
All you naysayers will be lining up around the Apple Store for iTV.
If it offers the same or very similar rental features as Netflix why can't they maybe not beat them, but strongly compete?
I agree, sports is the only thing keeping me tethered to cable tv. If someone could find a way to get live sports on apple tv or any similar device I'd dump comcast and get a *tv box.
They did try to do the Volkswagen iPod car a handful of years ago, but the deal fell through (reportedly). Apple doesn't make cars, but they tried to get VW to put iPod like device and more into cars. Why not a TV?
For the people saying "BS" and false will you return and admit to being wrong if this time next year Apple is offering HDTVs at their stores and in Best Buy? Some here love to make bold claims as if...
Sounds possible. Hopefully Apple does it right.
At least some people in here have vision. ha ha
I don't know why there are so many doubters. Regardless of this article, I think it is a natural path for Apple to take. For those who ask who would buy an Apple branded TV? You would and so would millions of others. Why? Because Apple takes things we take for granted, and revolutionizes how we think about them. In hind sight we say "How did we ever use the old one?"
Maybe the Netflix comment threw people off. Of course it will have iTunes bundled with it. You will have all of the content and subscription options available through ITMS. But that does not mean it will not have normal provider input options like satellite and cable.
It just means everything will be tightly integrated with an Apple GUI. One of the major reasons I don't use my 1st generation and current Apple TVs is because it is outside my normal TV viewing mode of operation. I have to change the input and then grab the other remote. Yes, I know that we do this with the DVD player too but that is the point. It needs to be integrated so that it is part of our normal TV viewing experience.
I don't know why there are so many doubters.
Because it's nonsense.
In hind sight we say "How did we ever use the old one?"
And they'll have us saying that about our set top boxes when the A5 Apple TV comes out.
It just means everything will be tightly integrated with an Apple GUI.
Which is already taken care of by Apple TV.
It needs to be integrated so that it is part of our normal TV viewing experience.
A5 Apple TV will remove all need to switch inputs away from it. You want 'vision'? THAT is vision: the death of cable and satellite.
It would be awesome, though, if the Apple comes out with a TV that mimics Quicktime's bezeless display... all picture, floating on the wall. That would be cool.
Nope.
Agreed.
I think it is possible they prototyped it, but then decided it wasn't the best move.
The TV part has too many licenses and deals that would have to be worked out. Plus it would be a pain to deal with on the retail side.
Add to this that the real power is the content not the hardware. To compete with all the other stuff they would have to have same day posting of tv show episodes preferably on a subscription system leveraging rental files that could be downloaded again if you wanted to repeat view something. Plus all the shows from all the nets right away (no more HBO and Showtime waiting until the home video release for the rentals) and so on. And you can do that and run it with the existing little black box.
Next step is to get a blu-ray quality HD file that lacks the huge file size overhead and getting folks on board with building feature sets etc. Preferably in a way where you can watch it on your tv, your i-devices and your computer with one buy.
On TV, live sporting events are all that matter. Unless Apple can find a way to overcome the contractual obligations of sports teams to the networks than this idea is a non-starter.
There's already the NBA and MLB apps on the ATV2
I do not know if I believe the story, but I believe Apple is working on a TV. Google is working on a TV. Apple likely doesn't want to give Google an inch.
but that last assumption doesn't equal to Apple making a TV.
Google's downfall was content. They didn't make the proper deals and got shut down by the folks they ignored.
Apple is not making that mistake. They are working on the content every day. ANd they will likely get it. And they won't need an Apple Branded TV set to make it work. The little black box and the tv of your choice will be just fine
Because it's nonsense.
And they'll have us saying that about our set top boxes when the A5 Apple TV comes out.
Which is already taken care of by Apple TV.
A5 Apple TV will remove all need to switch inputs away from it. You want 'vision'? THAT is vision: the death of cable and satellite.
Going by how hard it has been for Apple to work with the TV networks, I have serious doubts the Apple TV will kill Satellite or cable. Perhaps, but not a given. My point is that the hardware and GUI integration with the TV is coming. That has not happened yet. I don't understand when you say it has already been taken care of by Apple TV.
As the iPod showed us, the Apple hardware will drive the use of the Apple content. It has not worked yet because the hardware has not been successful yet. Therefore the content providers do not feel the pressure to support it. We know the music content providers reluctantly works with Apple because they know that is where the market is. It is not the same with TV. But, if Apple can make a TV that everybody wants, then who knows...
If they ever do that they need to make the iOS electronics upgradable. Somekind of plug-in module. TV normal lifespand requires it. Your not going to replace a 40" TV every 2 years or people will just boycott it.
And if you refuse to believe that Apple wouldn't make a TV because it doesn't fit anywhere near their normal profit/price boundaries, THIS is the clincher. Apple would NEVER make it upgradable.
Which is already taken care of by Apple TV.
Not really. You still have to deal with the UI of the other (inevitably) associated devices. The worst of these is often the TV itself.
As far as other sources, optical disks and on air TV aren't disappearing, especially when you lose your Internet connection. Then theres the huge number of people who don't have access to sufficiently "broad" band to support decent TV content.
"You'll go into an Apple retail store and be able to walk out with a TV. It's perfect," the source said.
You would have to be pretty strong. I imagine it would be quite heavy wouldn't it?
Cool.... hope this rumor is right. Still have yet to buy a flat screen and ever since I heard rumor of this... someplace.... I decided to hold off. I always wondered why nobody was building a DVR right into the TV.
Huh? LG have had DVRs built into some of their TVs for at least 4 years. I considered them when I bought my plasma.