There's a certain percentage of American readers here who have zero awareness of the world. They've probably never traveled outside of their home state. The only thing they know is the stuff happening in their backyard or across the street.
They score zero points on the global worldview.
Quarter and after quarter, Apple reports sales and for quite a while, they have announced that half of Apple's revenue comes from international markets. These people obviously don't have any interest in learning about how Apple conducts its business, which would help them understand the larger picture about Apple's business plan and focus. These people think that Apple solely caters to their desires and are in total denial about the existence of other humans. Entitlement? Perhaps.
And your post has nothing to do with the OP. It just babbled on. In this case, the OP simply implied that carriers are more interested in keeping their profits high and generally do not pass along savings to the end customer.
This is 100% true in all capitalist markets in the world. From the UK to the US to the EU.
Yep, in the rest of the world, companies only expect to make 0.01% profit margin and if they make 1% profit margin, they send checks to all of their customers.
Careful there, your straw man is catching fire.
In much of the rest of the world the carriers aren't allowed to set their plans with complete freedom, for example here in Europe telecoms regulators have a large amount of control.
They should rebrand the iPhone 3GS. Add a front facing camera for facetime, put in a dual-mode CDMA/GSM cellular radio, and sell it for $399 unlocked. Freshening up the form factor would be a plus too.
In much of the rest of the world the carriers aren't allowed to set their plans with complete freedom, for example here in Europe telecoms regulators have a large amount of control.
If they save $10 they are required to give that back to the consumer? Having lived in France for 6 months, I know that is an out-right lie.
It'll never happen. Apple is not in the habit of discounting old technology for the sake of increasing market share. That is just not who Apple is. Won't happen.
It'll never happen. Apple is not in the habit of discounting old technology for the sake of increasing market share. That is just not who Apple is. Won't happen.
The carriers are still buying the phones from Apple.
I don't think anyone expects Apple to give away their phones for free...
The 3GS is "free" on many contracts in the UK. Of course it isn't free, you pay more over the lifetime of the contract.
To be fair the report is US biased as well. If it is true that Apple are talking to AT&T about reducing their price to zero on the standard contract this only means that the 3GS is going to be continued past september,and be cheaper.
Why in the world would Apple sell a phone that is almost immediately going to get outdated. At the least they have to put an A4 if not A5 in there, so when they come out with future software updates, their customers don't feel like they've been cheated, like Samsung and the rest.
because most cell phone users don't care about updates
and i think it's going to be a free low end iphone 4 that will be sold and not the 3GS
It'll never happen. Apple is not in the habit of discounting old technology for the sake of increasing market share. That is just not who Apple is. Won't happen.
and there is only one model of the ipod and there is no 3GS currently sold for $50 on contract
Why would Apple give AT&T an upper hand going forward with this free 3GS?
I don't see it happening. I think with the refresh Apple will level the playing field.
Keeping the 3GS or a 3GS type device for sale would only make sense if they open it up to other carriers by putting a dual-mode CDMA/GSM cellular radio. If both Verizon and AT&T have a $0 (with 2 year contract) iPhone available, iPhone sales could go through the roof.
Keeping the 3GS or a 3GS type device for sale would only make sense if they open it up to other carriers by putting a dual-mode CDMA/GSM cellular radio. If both Verizon and AT&T have a $0 (with 2 year contract) iPhone available, iPhone sales could go through the roof.
You realize that there is a whole world out there that doesn't use american CDMA standards right?
I just don't see why the cost of the phone ($99 or $49 or even $0) is such a big deal when it requires a minimum of a $15/monthly data plan?
Who is going to say "I'm not willing to spend $49 on an iPhone, but I will add $15/month to my cell phone bill?"
This only makes sense if they finally drop the requirement for the data plan. Before you say "what is the point of an iPhone with out 3G data", there are plenty of people (including many high school and college students) who are constantly surrounded with WiFi and won't spend the $15/month for a data plan, but who want an iPhone...
I would have paid $199 for iPhones for my kids years ago if I could have eliminated the data plan - it would have been CHEAPER than buying them iPod touches...
There is an opposing viewpoint.
All I want is data. With iMessage, FaceTime, SMS, Skype, I have no need to pay for voice minutes I'll never use, but the carriers here won't let me sign up at all unless I agree to pay at least $50/month for a voice and data plan.
Why in the world would Apple sell a phone that is almost immediately going to get outdated. At the least they have to put an A4 if not A5 in there, so when they come out with future software updates, their customers don't feel like they've been cheated, like Samsung and the rest.
Because "free" with a contract is the standard practice for old models, at least in the USA. The same people purchase another "free" phone two years later.
You realize that there is a whole world out there that doesn't use american CDMA standards right?
Well yes, most of the world already uses GSM standards of which Apple has had for years. I've read but I don't know myself that China's CDMA is similar to Verizon's except on a different spectrum (I might be saying that incorrectly)
Anyway, to add to the discussion a local report from India indicates that Apple may be reintroducing the 3GS there for a price of around $444 dollars (40% cheaper than the iPhone 4 there).
I don't know if this is rumor is true of not, but I don't see a problem with it. If Apple wants to make one of their older phones free, thereby appealing to third world people and other financially challenged people, then why not?
Well yes, most of the world already uses GSM standards of which Apple has had for years. I've read but I don't know myself that China's CDMA is similar to Verizon's except on a different spectrum (I might be saying that incorrectly)
It's similar in that it is CDMA, but it's completely different as it is TD-CDMA, this is more than just a frequency difference - ie. US CDMA chipsets will not work in china. This is why it took so long for a Verizon iphone, because it's pretty much a phone engineered for one carrier. I don't imagine we'll ever see a 3GS on verizon, not even if Apple ever make a 3GS+ or whatever you might call such a beast.
It will probably be free on all plans. Only in America - apparently - is there one plan for all users of a phone. If the carriers can get it fro $200 less they can take that off their plans.
Just one plan? There are more than that. There are two data plan tiers, three if you count the grandfathered one (though I don't), several tiers of voice plans and I think four tiers of text plans.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Seriously. You said that. You actually said that.
I really don't see that as being so outrageous. Besides, we have a lot of members that buy a new iPhone every year. To what end?
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
Quarter and after quarter, Apple reports sales and for quite a while, they have announced that half of Apple's revenue comes from international markets.
Just a tangent question, is the international market really only half of Apple's revenues? The US market is only 5% of the world, why isn't Apple doing better in the rest of the world?
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Don't even bother trying to school these types.
There's a certain percentage of American readers here who have zero awareness of the world. They've probably never traveled outside of their home state. The only thing they know is the stuff happening in their backyard or across the street.
They score zero points on the global worldview.
Quarter and after quarter, Apple reports sales and for quite a while, they have announced that half of Apple's revenue comes from international markets. These people obviously don't have any interest in learning about how Apple conducts its business, which would help them understand the larger picture about Apple's business plan and focus. These people think that Apple solely caters to their desires and are in total denial about the existence of other humans. Entitlement? Perhaps.
And your post has nothing to do with the OP. It just babbled on. In this case, the OP simply implied that carriers are more interested in keeping their profits high and generally do not pass along savings to the end customer.
This is 100% true in all capitalist markets in the world. From the UK to the US to the EU.
Yep, in the rest of the world, companies only expect to make 0.01% profit margin and if they make 1% profit margin, they send checks to all of their customers.
Careful there, your straw man is catching fire.
In much of the rest of the world the carriers aren't allowed to set their plans with complete freedom, for example here in Europe telecoms regulators have a large amount of control.
Careful there, your straw man is catching fire.
In much of the rest of the world the carriers aren't allowed to set their plans with complete freedom, for example here in Europe telecoms regulators have a large amount of control.
If they save $10 they are required to give that back to the consumer? Having lived in France for 6 months, I know that is an out-right lie.
It'll never happen. Apple is not in the habit of discounting old technology for the sake of increasing market share. That is just not who Apple is. Won't happen.
The carriers are still buying the phones from Apple.
I don't think anyone expects Apple to give away their phones for free...
The US is not the world!
The 3GS is "free" on many contracts in the UK. Of course it isn't free, you pay more over the lifetime of the contract.
To be fair the report is US biased as well. If it is true that Apple are talking to AT&T about reducing their price to zero on the standard contract this only means that the 3GS is going to be continued past september,and be cheaper.
But we knew that.
In the US we call this "No money down"
Why in the world would Apple sell a phone that is almost immediately going to get outdated. At the least they have to put an A4 if not A5 in there, so when they come out with future software updates, their customers don't feel like they've been cheated, like Samsung and the rest.
because most cell phone users don't care about updates
and i think it's going to be a free low end iphone 4 that will be sold and not the 3GS
It'll never happen. Apple is not in the habit of discounting old technology for the sake of increasing market share. That is just not who Apple is. Won't happen.
and there is only one model of the ipod and there is no 3GS currently sold for $50 on contract
Why would Apple give AT&T an upper hand going forward with this free 3GS?
I don't see it happening. I think with the refresh Apple will level the playing field.
Keeping the 3GS or a 3GS type device for sale would only make sense if they open it up to other carriers by putting a dual-mode CDMA/GSM cellular radio. If both Verizon and AT&T have a $0 (with 2 year contract) iPhone available, iPhone sales could go through the roof.
Keeping the 3GS or a 3GS type device for sale would only make sense if they open it up to other carriers by putting a dual-mode CDMA/GSM cellular radio. If both Verizon and AT&T have a $0 (with 2 year contract) iPhone available, iPhone sales could go through the roof.
You realize that there is a whole world out there that doesn't use american CDMA standards right?
I just don't see why the cost of the phone ($99 or $49 or even $0) is such a big deal when it requires a minimum of a $15/monthly data plan?
Who is going to say "I'm not willing to spend $49 on an iPhone, but I will add $15/month to my cell phone bill?"
This only makes sense if they finally drop the requirement for the data plan. Before you say "what is the point of an iPhone with out 3G data", there are plenty of people (including many high school and college students) who are constantly surrounded with WiFi and won't spend the $15/month for a data plan, but who want an iPhone...
I would have paid $199 for iPhones for my kids years ago if I could have eliminated the data plan - it would have been CHEAPER than buying them iPod touches...
There is an opposing viewpoint.
All I want is data. With iMessage, FaceTime, SMS, Skype, I have no need to pay for voice minutes I'll never use, but the carriers here won't let me sign up at all unless I agree to pay at least $50/month for a voice and data plan.
Why in the world would Apple sell a phone that is almost immediately going to get outdated. At the least they have to put an A4 if not A5 in there, so when they come out with future software updates, their customers don't feel like they've been cheated, like Samsung and the rest.
Because "free" with a contract is the standard practice for old models, at least in the USA. The same people purchase another "free" phone two years later.
You realize that there is a whole world out there that doesn't use american CDMA standards right?
Well yes, most of the world already uses GSM standards of which Apple has had for years. I've read but I don't know myself that China's CDMA is similar to Verizon's except on a different spectrum (I might be saying that incorrectly)
Anyway, to add to the discussion a local report from India indicates that Apple may be reintroducing the 3GS there for a price of around $444 dollars (40% cheaper than the iPhone 4 there).
thereby appealing to third world people and other financially challenged people, then why not?
HARDLY! Data plans, man, data plans.
Well yes, most of the world already uses GSM standards of which Apple has had for years. I've read but I don't know myself that China's CDMA is similar to Verizon's except on a different spectrum (I might be saying that incorrectly)
It's similar in that it is CDMA, but it's completely different as it is TD-CDMA, this is more than just a frequency difference - ie. US CDMA chipsets will not work in china. This is why it took so long for a Verizon iphone, because it's pretty much a phone engineered for one carrier. I don't imagine we'll ever see a 3GS on verizon, not even if Apple ever make a 3GS+ or whatever you might call such a beast.
It will probably be free on all plans. Only in America - apparently - is there one plan for all users of a phone. If the carriers can get it fro $200 less they can take that off their plans.
Just one plan? There are more than that. There are two data plan tiers, three if you count the grandfathered one (though I don't), several tiers of voice plans and I think four tiers of text plans.
Seriously. You said that. You actually said that.
I really don't see that as being so outrageous. Besides, we have a lot of members that buy a new iPhone every year. To what end?
Quarter and after quarter, Apple reports sales and for quite a while, they have announced that half of Apple's revenue comes from international markets.
Just a tangent question, is the international market really only half of Apple's revenues? The US market is only 5% of the world, why isn't Apple doing better in the rest of the world?