iPad sales will help Apple top HP, become largest mobile PC vendor in 2012

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  • Reply 21 of 37
    jnjnjnjnjnjn Posts: 588member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    So is the iPhone, but it's clearly a different category.



    Doesn't change the fact.



    J.
  • Reply 22 of 37
    jnjnjnjnjnjn Posts: 588member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    If the numerous reports we've seen -- and numerous CEOs bemoaning the same fact -- about iPads eating into PC sales are true (and I am inclined to think they are), then it would make perfect sense to think of iPads as a portable computer. And, it would make perfect sense to redefine the market as such.



    I agree, another point is the on average similar selling price of notebooks and iPads.



    J.
  • Reply 23 of 37
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
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    Originally Posted by AppleStud View Post


    Imagine being in a coma since 1997 and waking up and reading that Apple is the largest PC vendor in the world.



    Some of the first questions you'd ask if you woke up from that coma would be "What the heck is an iPod?" "MP3? What ever happened to the Sony Walkman?" "What ever happened to all those Palm Pilots?"



    "Awakenings," 1997: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099077/
  • Reply 24 of 37
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    All the "is it a PC" aside, Apple will sell more of four (expected) models of iPad (i.e. Wi-fi 2, 3G 2, Wi-fi 3 and 3G 3) than all the dozens of models of HP laptop next year, and four times as many as Apple's own MacBook and MacBook Pro ranges combined.



    Anyone still saying they need a 7" version?
  • Reply 25 of 37
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post


    Anyone still saying they need a 7" version?



    They don't need one, but it might generate a bit more sales and more importantly it might stop competitors establishing a beach-head into grown-up tablet territory. Also it would further screw competitors trying to get touch screen components



    2-3 million sales a year is chicken-feed compared to the iPad, but it's still a nice market to be in if you can get 80% of it.



    I do agree with the people who think a 7inch tablet should be branded as an iPod though. They could even make it colourful anodized aluminium like the Nano to emphasize that it was a different kind of thing.
  • Reply 26 of 37
    blackbookblackbook Posts: 1,361member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    They don't need one, but it might generate a bit more sales and more importantly it might stop competitors establishing a beach-head into grown-up tablet territory. Also it would further screw competitors trying to get touch screen components



    2-3 million sales a year is chicken-feed compared to the iPad, but it's still a nice market to be in if you can get 80% of it.



    I do agree with the people who think a 7inch tablet should be branded as an iPod though. They could even make it colourful anodized aluminium like the Nano to emphasize that it was a different kind of thing.



    Yeah, Apple can enter the smaller tablet market simply because they can not because they need to.



    I like the idea of making a 5-7inch tablet into a gamepad under the iPod brand. The Nano and Shuffle lines can merge, the Touch moves to a nice 4 inch screen along with the iPhone and a 7 inch gamepad to top off the lineup.
  • Reply 27 of 37
    Ballmer is correct that PC's are not dead. And Jobs is correct that this is a post-PC era.



    The iPad will continue to evolve until they are as capable as the current crop of laptops just like the laptops are more capable than the desktop machines of several years back.



    MS's problem is their vision and products are only PC level applications, which cannot effectively be shoe-horned into the Tablet/phone format factor. Apple, on the other hand, sees and creates products with focused design and capability and gives and pushes the industry over time.
  • Reply 28 of 37
    kiweekiwee Posts: 102member
    I would not categorize the iPad as a computer. It can do alot of things, sure..

    But calling it a Computer is a stretch.



    Sure, you can create some content on it but that's not what most people use it for. No one is writing a novel on an iPad unless the name of the Novel is "Writing on iPad"..

    A computer should be able to download files from the Internet. A computer should have some kind of User management etc. At least that's my opinion.



    I am not saying a "slate" device can't be a computer, I just feel the OS needs more features to call itself that.



    I would go so far as to say that a "slate" running Windows 7 or Mac OS X would be a computer. The iPad in it's current form is not.



    Don't get me wrong, I love my iPad. But I would never call it a computer. Maybe it's just me. Or maybe the way we categorize a "Computer" is changing.
  • Reply 29 of 37
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kiwee View Post


    I would not categorize the iPad as a computer. It can do alot of things, sure..

    But calling it a Computer is a stretch.



    As I've said before, I won't consider the iPad a computer until it can host its own development environment.
  • Reply 30 of 37
    recrec Posts: 217member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kiwee View Post


    I would not categorize the iPad as a computer. It can do alot of things, sure..

    But calling it a Computer is a stretch.



    Sure, you can create some content on it but that's not what most people use it for. No one is writing a novel on an iPad unless the name of the Novel is "Writing on iPad"..

    A computer should be able to download files from the Internet. A computer should have some kind of User management etc. At least that's my opinion.



    I am not saying a "slate" device can't be a computer, I just feel the OS needs more features to call itself that.



    I would go so far as to say that a "slate" running Windows 7 or Mac OS X would be a computer. The iPad in it's current form is not.



    Don't get me wrong, I love my iPad. But I would never call it a computer. Maybe it's just me. Or maybe the way we categorize a "Computer" is changing.



    This argument reminds me of the dialogue between Will Smith and the android in I Robot. Smith declared that the robot can't be a person because it doesn't create great paintings. To which the robot replied, do YOU make great paintings?



    Arbitrary distinctions like being able to download files from the internet or using one to write code as defining PC from non-PC are just that, arbitrary distinctions. A 286 from the 80's, before there were networks and before there was an internet to download files from was still a computer. Did it only become a computer once Al Gore inivented the internet?



    The vast majority of computer users will never, ever use their computers to write code. I'm talking 99.99% of the world's PC using population. Does that mean none of those PC's are computers either? Are we saying that it only qualifies as a PC when it has the potential to write code? Because if that's the criteria, the iPad definitely has the potential. There's nothing technically preventing it from being able to do this. Are we sure the app doesn't exist? Even in the jailbroken app store markets?



    Keep in mind too that both philosophically and literally speaking, Steve Jobs is trying his best to kill the 30 year old concept of nested folders. Files and folders for files and folders sake is simply not the future of personal computing in his book. He has said as much in different ways on multiple occasions. He's pulling a Cosby on this issue, he brought them into this world and he's gonna take them out.



    And one more point- there are things that an iPad doesn't do or do as well as a desktop/notebook PC. Conversely there are things that an iPad does that a they can't do or do very well. Based on the explosive sales growth of iPads, you can reasonably assume that people are coming to the conclusion that iPads are more useful and work better for them than notebooks and desktops, and for a vast number of users is a better PC than what they had access to before. iPads can only become more useful and more robust over time, not less. So whatever arbitrary lines in the sand people hold today will be chipped away at (probably very quickly, within 2 years for any and all points). There's really no reason to hold any such prejudices against a platform that is clearly the future of personal computing.
  • Reply 31 of 37
    sdbryansdbryan Posts: 351member
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    Originally Posted by AppleStud View Post


    Imagine being in a coma since 1997 and waking up and reading that Apple is the largest PC vendor in the world.



    After the cobwebs clear you realize it is just the largest mobile PC vendor. Inexplicably this plunges you into another coma.
  • Reply 32 of 37
    sdbryansdbryan Posts: 351member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    As I've said before, I won't consider the iPad a computer until it can host its own development environment.



    The Macintosh in 1984 could not host its own development system. You had to use a Lisa computer and cross compile.
  • Reply 33 of 37
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sdbryan View Post


    The Macintosh in 1984 could not host its own development system. You had to use a Lisa computer and cross compile.



    Then at that point I would still have considered it a device The analogy is inexact there anyway because the Lisa was running the same OS as the Mac and that OS could self-host. iOS cannot, in fact it's a deliberate decision by Apple to ensure that it never does.



    Android at some point could become self-hosting though, or jail-borked iOS.
  • Reply 34 of 37
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by RichL View Post


    When Steve Jobs introduced the iPad, he talked about it being "the fourth screen". It's neither a PC or a smartphone. It's a new category of device.



    Obviously the analysts are having a hard time getting their heads around this concept. I wonder if the first automobiles were lumped in with horse sales by the analysts of the time?



    Wasn't the "car" named so because it was a "horse-less CARriage"? Which makes you wonder, maybe the iPad is a "keyboard-less PC" to people that haven't wrapped their head around it.
  • Reply 35 of 37
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    Some of the first questions you'd ask if you woke up from that coma would be "What the heck is an iPod?" "MP3? What ever happened to the Sony Walkman?" "What ever happened to all those Palm Pilots?"



    "Awakenings," 1997: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099077/



    There was an episode in House exactly about a guy in a coma that wakes up after five years. Everything seems the same, except for "What is an iPod?". And this episode was before the iPhone became big and obviously before the iPad!



    I'd probably like to cryo-freeze myself while still alive so I could skip ahead a few years or decades. But that tech doesn't exist yet, plus the next few years of Apple, Google, and Tech in general will be interesting. Just have to re-align my career because I'm coming out of a "coma" of sorts, eg. just realising I'm in my 30s now and partying all night till the sun comes up has become very tough!



    However, I would definitely volunteer for Science if they could guarantee (well, promise) me I'd wake up alive and be one of the first few hundred colonists on Mars... We don't need to send our best and brightest, just the most brazen (or insane). Heck, we could send criminals and thieves, things worked out alright for Australia...
  • Reply 36 of 37
    blackbookblackbook Posts: 1,361member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    Then at that point I would still have considered it a device The analogy is inexact there anyway because the Lisa was running the same OS as the Mac and that OS could self-host. iOS cannot, in fact it's a deliberate decision by Apple to ensure that it never does.



    Android at some point could become self-hosting though, or jail-borked iOS.



    Hosting on a device like an iPhone or iPad seems foolish to me, but technically the iPad is one app away from being able to do so. It certainly should have the processor speed (it's dual core processor is as fast as some PCs were just a few years ago).
  • Reply 37 of 37
    cycomikocycomiko Posts: 716member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post


    Doesn't change the fact.



    J.



    But creates a pile of stupidity by classifying the ipad under the same banner as a PC.



    if the ipad fits under that cover, so should smart phones, and ipod touch.



    Add them all in, or none.
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