Moved: Horrible story: mob beats two motorists to death!

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<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/31/van.crash.beating/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/31/van.crash.beating/index.html</a>;



I'm curious to know more...



[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
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  • Reply 1 of 71
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    who the hell beats old people to death?



    that's messed up.
  • Reply 2 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    I'm tempted to make a wild guess about particular aspects, but will perhaps wait until all the facts are in.



    But I bet I'm right.
  • Reply 3 of 71
    [quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:

    <strong>who the hell beats old people to death?

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



  • Reply 4 of 71
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    I wonder how important these facts are that pscates is going to guess about.



  • Reply 5 of 71
    This happened about 15 blocks north of where I live. You know CNN is not the only news web site. There are some Chicago papers on line.



    <a href="http://www.suntimes.com"; target="_blank">http://www.suntimes.com</a>;

    <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com"; target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com</a>;
  • Reply 6 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Probably not "important". But interesting



    For instance, was the van jump accidental? Was it deliberate? Was everyone strangers? Was this a commercial van making deliveries? Or two civilians, drunk/high and out being up to no good? Did the van driver know the victim and tried to hit them? Did the van drivers say anything? Did the mob beat the van driver/passenger immediately, or were there words exchanged? Were the drivers injured (and helpless)?



    yourself, pal...



    So far, none of these things are known in the stories I've read. Just been "van plows into three people...mob kills driver/passenger".



    <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />



    [ 07-31-2002: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
  • Reply 6 of 71
    OH MY GOD! SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO!



    THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN .....



    AND THE DRIVERS MIGHT HAVE BEEN .....



    Wouldn't you be pretty ticked if someone SMASHED INTO YOUR FRONT PORCH AND INJURED 3 WOMEN SITTING ON SAID PORCH?



    Granted, not worth beating someone to death over, but...
  • Reply 8 of 71
    [quote]Originally posted by pscates:

    <strong>Probably not "important". But interesting



    For instance, was the van jump accidental? Was it deliberate? Was everyone strangers? Was this a commercial van making deliveries? Or two civilians, drunk/high and out being up to no good? Did the van driver know the victim and tried to hit them? Did the van drivers say anything? Did the mob beat the van driver/passenger immediately, or were there words exchanged? Were the drivers injured (and helpless)?



    yourself, pal...



    So far, none of these things are known in the stories I've read. Just been "van plows into three people...mob kills driver/passenger".



    <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />



    [ 07-31-2002: Message edited by: pscates ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    And you would know all this if you'd find another source other than CNN.
  • Reply 9 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    I don't know anything about Chicago...never been. What about the south side? Bad? Rich? Poor? Dangerous? Funky? Arty? Yuppie-ville?
  • Reply 10 of 71
    [quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:

    <strong>OH MY GOD! SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO!



    THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN .....



    AND THE DRIVERS MIGHT HAVE BEEN .....



    Wouldn't you be pretty ticked if someone SMASHED INTO YOUR FRONT PORCH AND INJURED 3 WOMEN SITTING ON SAID PORCH?



    Granted, not worth beating someone to death over, but...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    But nothing you idiot.
  • Reply 11 of 71
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    P:

    Why have you turned into such a race-baiter?





    from the article at SunTimes.com:

    "...witness Will Smith told NBC-Channel 5."

    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 12 of 71
    mature, scott.
  • Reply 12 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    [quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:

    <strong>



    And you would know all this if you'd find another source other than CNN. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, like Fox? Then I'd have to hear a bunch of shit about "well, it's Fox, dude...I don't know...".







    CNN seems to update their site throughout the day, so even though I'm not a big fan of the network, their site usually has stuff on it fairly updated/recent. More than Fox's site, actually, which tends to stay pretty static in the course of a day (unless something really major is going on, like September 11).
  • Reply 14 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    [quote]Originally posted by groverat:

    <strong>P:

    Why have you turned into such a race-baiter?





    from the article at SunTimes.com:

    "...witness Will Smith told NBC-Channel 5."

    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    G:

    Why have you turned into such a know-it-all? Did you read the questions I asked? I'm off to find the answers with the links from the Chicago papers.



    I can't help what you think.



    I thought it might be a half-ass grudge OR, more likely, a massive DUI situation. Kinda hard to run up on a porch or whatever WITHOUT doing it on purpose OR being completely hammered and out of control.
  • Reply 15 of 71
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    [quote]Why have you turned into such a know-it-all? Did you read the questions I asked?<hr></blockquote>



    I'm the know it all?



    "I'm tempted to make a wild guess about particular aspects, but will perhaps wait until all the facts are in."



    It's your MO; bemoan the crumbling morality of the modern age along with the reverse-discrimination and subsequent oppression suffered by the white conservative male.



    Not hard to see how I might think you were alluding to the race of the people involved when every other sentence from you is "...if this person were white they would've been..." or "...if this person were black it wouldn't have been..."



    Bad luck for me I picked the one thread where that's not what you were implying, eh?
  • Reply 16 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Yeah.



    Any idiot can drive a van up a sidewalk and run into people. That rich chick from the Hamptons did it last summer, plowing into all those people at that nightclub.



    Alcohol/drugs (if that was the case here) don't hinge on race. Neither does a family or domestic squabble.



    That's why I asked: did the driver KNOW the people, and was actually going for them on purpose? And did the mob end up killing two guys who were as injured as the people they hit?



    You want to talk about MO's? Jeez...grab a chair...gonna be a while...



    [ 07-31-2002: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
  • Reply 17 of 71
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Granted, not worth beating someone to death over, but... <hr></blockquote>



    And that's the whole point.



    People talk about how certain dogs have predisposed aggression, Pitbulls, Presa Canarios, etc. They are born with it. Disagree?



    Why can't this apply to humans? Or is that too politcally incorrect? It's not like pscates is saying these people shouldn't have the same rights...just like no action should be taken against Pitbulls that have done nothing wrong. (David Lawrence on CNET Radio suggested barring/destroying certain breeds of dogs for example.)



    ...but, everyone engages in 'breed profiling.' When you walk past a Pitbull on a leash, are you more cautious than when you pass by a Standard Poodle?



    And since pscates is guessing the race of those people involved, is he so wrong? Is racial profiling like this bad? We all do it in some for or another.



    [ 07-31-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
  • Reply 18 of 71
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by pscates:

    <strong>Yeah.



    Any idiot can drive a van up a sidewalk and run into people. That rich chick from the Hamptons did it last summer, plowing into all those people at that nightclub.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Lizzie Grubman
  • Reply 19 of 71
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    That's her!



    But, Eugene, I WASN'T guessing the race. That was the 'rat assuming I was. Due to past posts, I guess.



    In this case, I was actually more curious if it was a random accident (this was all earlier before I had all the other news links above) or if it was an intentional domestic or other situation gone bad.



    Was this a UPS van or some guy's personal van?



    I was amazed because I thought "if it's an accident, it's horrible these people got beaten to death!" (hence the TITLE of the thread).



    If it WAS intentional and there was some history and existing bad blood between the driver, victims and the mob, I was wondering THAT aspect of it.



    The one person who made this race-based was the one guy here who seems to come across more enlightened and "sees all sides" than most.



    THAT'S what I found funny/odd, regardless of any past MO's of mine.



    The 'rat is so conditioned to think that I'm a suffering, angry white guy (bemused and exasperated would be a more accurate description), he looks at mosts of my posts through that particular prism and applies the Groveratian Conclusional Leap Theory to it.



  • Reply 20 of 71
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    <strong>People talk about how certain dogs have predisposed aggression, Pitbulls, Presa Canarios, etc. They are born with it. Disagree?



    Why can't this apply to humans? Or is that too politcally incorrect? </strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, that is pretty un-pc.



    But in this case, guessing that someone is black would be irrational, because blacks are a small percent of the population, even if they do commit more crimes than whites proportionally.



    Seeing a pitbull and being scared is different than hearing about a dog-biting and thinking "pitbull." A pitbull may be more likely to bite you than other dogs, but because pitbulls are relatively rare, any given dog bite is unlikely to be a pitbull.



    And I have to admit, before I read the thread, I saw pscates and the title and thought "uh-oh, he's found another reverse-race news item!"

    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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