Good luck with that. They'd be better off rebuilding their OS from the ground-up. Not to mention their phones too. Their phones are underpowered and overpriced. Soon they will be in the toilet. All that will be left will be their patent portfolio.
It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.
It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
You really think they use Adobe AIR but have removed Adobe Flash from the UI? Good luck supporting that argument.
Sorry, you need to do some research. BB OS is based on Java, not flash. BB OS doesn't even support flash. Their new QNX system is supposed to (on their tablet) but from what I understand, is pretty inept at it.
Sorry, you need to do some research. BB OS is based on Java, not flash. BB OS doesn't even support flash. Their new QNX system is supposed to (on their tablet) but from what I understand, is pretty inept at it.
You're now going to argue that you had no idea I was referring to their PlayBook OS in my post? Shameful!
It sounds like a strange service, it does not appeal to me.
On the wider topic or RIM's survivability, it does not look good. They are stuck with a dying system, but are too slow with QNX. Playbook is highly flawed and not selling. The phones look 5 years out of date, and the cash cow, Enterprise, is deserting them. I cannot see what any other business would want to acquire from RIM if it does go Belly up. They may have some patents, but patents are being bought as defence weapons at the moment. There will quickly become a time when the big 3, Apple, Google and Microsoft think they have enough patents to put off would be attackers. If RIMs death is in slow motion, they could find that even the patents are worth very little.
not a week passed since the last bad news for RIM...
makes me wonder whats their CEO and their strategist doing. the mobile world is not static, a company like RIM cannot rely on one thing to survive.. i still remember the fall of PALM back then, kinda like RIM, lack of innovation and lack of strategic direction bring it down slowly but sure.. RIM's tablet entrance showed a lack of long term strategy and feels like a 'me too' thats prevalent in companies competing in tablet world (Android tablets manufacturers also lack strategy, they just produce hardware without thinking long term)
now , assuming you can offer some strategic (1 year , 2 year and 5 year strategy) for RIM, what would you say to RIM Management ? whats the path that you think RIM Should Focus on ?
im really curious , can RIM be saved from the steady downfall ?
So funny...... So, let's take bets on who buys RIM because this company is going down. Just like skydiving, RIM feels like they are flying. In reality, they are plummeting to the earth at a 120 mph.
In this case, the skydiver was already dead the moment they were dropped out the plane. RIM is so f***** DOA it's just depressing now. 50 songs? That won't even last many of us a week... Let alone the fact that there's so many podcasts, YouTube, streaming radio from around the world and tons of other music services. This is RIM's big plan post-PlayFail?
It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.
It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
Thank you. Everyone, please let the WebOS "ecosystem" die with some dignity. Please stop dragging it's decaying corpse through the streets. I called WebOS the poisoned chalice. I think the proverbial dead horse is more apt.
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not a week passed since the last bad news for RIM...
makes me wonder whats their CEO and their strategist doing. the mobile world is not static, a company like RIM cannot rely on one thing to survive.. i still remember the fall of PALM back then, kinda like RIM, lack of innovation and lack of strategic direction bring it down slowly but sure.. RIM's tablet entrance showed a lack of long term strategy and feels like a 'me too' thats prevalent in companies competing in tablet world (Android tablets manufacturers also lack strategy, they just produce hardware without thinking long term)
now , assuming you can offer some strategic (1 year , 2 year and 5 year strategy) for RIM, what would you say to RIM Management ? whats the path that you think RIM Should Focus on ?
im really curious , can RIM be saved from the steady downfall ?
regards
RIM is finished. Whatever revenue and profits they are getting now is from BB sold cheaper and cheaper while continuing to grow in Asia since it is a cheap, reliable messaging system. Also, corporations continue to rely on it as the default "work" phone though most employees already have iPhones and Androids and iPads.
But this is all only existing momentum, they're running on fumes. They have no strategy for the future that can even be communicated sensibly to the public. They have some water but are lost in the desert. It's only a matter of time. I'm probably going overboard with all the analogies and metaphors but if they were a US company they'd already be ripped to shreds like starving cannibals on the weaker members of the tribe.
It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.
It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
I keep wondering if HP discovered something in there they knew was indefensible patent wise.
I keep wondering if HP discovered something in there they knew was indefensible patent wise.
Considering the number of former Apple employees apparently working on it at Palm and the lawsuits from Apple et al. over modern mobile OS code I think that is a scenario that could easily be defended.
So did anyone understand how this service works? Does it mean that once I have listened to 50 songs in a month, I cannot listen to any more? Or does it mean that I have to continue recycling between those 50, and wait till the next month to find another set of 50?
If its either of those, its a ridiculously terrible deal (50songs * 4min/song = 200 mins, = <4 hrs of music?)
I hope its something else...
It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.
Here is the way it goes
you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.
Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.
It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.
Here is the way it goes
you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.
Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.
Except this will be limited to the US and Canada only right? Other countries to come "later".
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RiM needs a decant mobile OS that doesn't rely on Flash. Maybe they can buy WebOS from HP.
Perhaps it's best to just leave WebOS by the roadside. The poor thing's already been through enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU
It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.
It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
You really think they use Adobe AIR but have removed Adobe Flash from the UI? Good luck supporting that argument.
Sorry, you need to do some research. BB OS is based on Java, not flash. BB OS doesn't even support flash. Their new QNX system is supposed to (on their tablet) but from what I understand, is pretty inept at it.
Sorry, you need to do some research. BB OS is based on Java, not flash. BB OS doesn't even support flash. Their new QNX system is supposed to (on their tablet) but from what I understand, is pretty inept at it.
You're now going to argue that you had no idea I was referring to their PlayBook OS in my post? Shameful!
On the wider topic or RIM's survivability, it does not look good. They are stuck with a dying system, but are too slow with QNX. Playbook is highly flawed and not selling. The phones look 5 years out of date, and the cash cow, Enterprise, is deserting them. I cannot see what any other business would want to acquire from RIM if it does go Belly up. They may have some patents, but patents are being bought as defence weapons at the moment. There will quickly become a time when the big 3, Apple, Google and Microsoft think they have enough patents to put off would be attackers. If RIMs death is in slow motion, they could find that even the patents are worth very little.
makes me wonder whats their CEO and their strategist doing. the mobile world is not static, a company like RIM cannot rely on one thing to survive.. i still remember the fall of PALM back then, kinda like RIM, lack of innovation and lack of strategic direction bring it down slowly but sure.. RIM's tablet entrance showed a lack of long term strategy and feels like a 'me too' thats prevalent in companies competing in tablet world (Android tablets manufacturers also lack strategy, they just produce hardware without thinking long term)
now , assuming you can offer some strategic (1 year , 2 year and 5 year strategy) for RIM, what would you say to RIM Management ? whats the path that you think RIM Should Focus on ?
im really curious , can RIM be saved from the steady downfall ?
regards
I used to think Ballmer was one the the most clueless CEOs on the planet, but Balsillie and Lazaridis make Ballmer look like Jobs by comparison
Their popular names are Ballsy and Lazy....
...Or is that Silly and Arid...
...oh, we're all so confused
Xoom is highly flawed and not selling.
Please don't tell me that you just labeled The Xoom a RIM product....I beg you.
So funny...... So, let's take bets on who buys RIM because this company is going down. Just like skydiving, RIM feels like they are flying. In reality, they are plummeting to the earth at a 120 mph.
In this case, the skydiver was already dead the moment they were dropped out the plane. RIM is so f***** DOA it's just depressing now. 50 songs? That won't even last many of us a week... Let alone the fact that there's so many podcasts, YouTube, streaming radio from around the world and tons of other music services. This is RIM's big plan post-PlayFail?
Perhaps it's best to just leave WebOS by the roadside. The poor thing's already been through enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU
It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.
It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
Thank you. Everyone, please let the WebOS "ecosystem" die with some dignity. Please stop dragging it's decaying corpse through the streets. I called WebOS the poisoned chalice. I think the proverbial dead horse is more apt.
not a week passed since the last bad news for RIM...
makes me wonder whats their CEO and their strategist doing. the mobile world is not static, a company like RIM cannot rely on one thing to survive.. i still remember the fall of PALM back then, kinda like RIM, lack of innovation and lack of strategic direction bring it down slowly but sure.. RIM's tablet entrance showed a lack of long term strategy and feels like a 'me too' thats prevalent in companies competing in tablet world (Android tablets manufacturers also lack strategy, they just produce hardware without thinking long term)
now , assuming you can offer some strategic (1 year , 2 year and 5 year strategy) for RIM, what would you say to RIM Management ? whats the path that you think RIM Should Focus on ?
im really curious , can RIM be saved from the steady downfall ?
regards
RIM is finished. Whatever revenue and profits they are getting now is from BB sold cheaper and cheaper while continuing to grow in Asia since it is a cheap, reliable messaging system. Also, corporations continue to rely on it as the default "work" phone though most employees already have iPhones and Androids and iPads.
But this is all only existing momentum, they're running on fumes. They have no strategy for the future that can even be communicated sensibly to the public. They have some water but are lost in the desert. It's only a matter of time. I'm probably going overboard with all the analogies and metaphors but if they were a US company they'd already be ripped to shreds like starving cannibals on the weaker members of the tribe.
In this case, the skydiver was already dead the moment they were dropped out the plane. RIM is so f***** DOA it's just depressing now.
That means Palm's WebOS is Bernie Lomax.
Perhaps it's best to just leave WebOS by the roadside. The poor thing's already been through enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU
It failed at Palm. Then it failed at HP. And consumers didn't give a damn on either occasion.
It's good for one thing: ripping a few ideas from it, but with plenty of caution, because who knows which aspect of WebOS killed it. It's probably contagious.
I keep wondering if HP discovered something in there they knew was indefensible patent wise.
I keep wondering if HP discovered something in there they knew was indefensible patent wise.
Considering the number of former Apple employees apparently working on it at Palm and the lawsuits from Apple et al. over modern mobile OS code I think that is a scenario that could easily be defended.
That means Palm's WebOS is Bernie Lomax.
Bingo. Except it's long past the weekend and he's really starting to smell now.
This week in tech could be summed up as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2TbqNcvLVU
So did anyone understand how this service works? Does it mean that once I have listened to 50 songs in a month, I cannot listen to any more? Or does it mean that I have to continue recycling between those 50, and wait till the next month to find another set of 50?
If its either of those, its a ridiculously terrible deal (50songs * 4min/song = 200 mins, = <4 hrs of music?)
I hope its something else...
It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.
Here is the way it goes
you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.
Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.
It is something else, but in typical Apple Insider fashion, they reported it wrong, so that it makes the competition looks bad. I am not sure it is going to work, but it is a different idea.
Here is the way it goes
you get 50 songs. Each of your friends on BBM get 50 songs. So, if you have 20 friends on BBM, you have access to all of their music (1000 songs) and they have access to your 50 songs. Every month, everyone gets a new set of 50 songs.
Given that BBM is widely used amongst teenagers, this could be fairly popular among the younger set for social music sharing and discovery.
Except this will be limited to the US and Canada only right? Other countries to come "later".
New details on Research in Motion's rumored BlackBerry Messenger music service have emerged.
It's not to late to stop. Please don't do it.