Apple may introduce a radically different Mac product family by year's end

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  • Reply 61 of 226
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,865member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post


    If the [stupid] iOSification of Lion is any indication, then future Apple products probably will be disruptive. The "we know better than you" attitude of Apple - while justified occasionally, is being pushed to extremes. They'd better be right.



    This is a ridiculous attitude. Every OS is based on a particular vision of how a computer should work. You can agree with it or not, but it's got nothing to do with, "we know better than you"; it's a matter of, "this is our vision, if you like it, buy it."
  • Reply 62 of 226
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Oh well, covered my ass if they do .. phew! I sold my three year old Mac Pro for more than I had in it for it thanks to my own upgrades of RAM and internal drives and two screens plus extra Video card.



    I miss it for some things like the awesome multi tasking but my i7 MBP and external Apple LCD (an even iPad now and then as external screen lol) makes for a far more flexible set up.



    I could never see the attraction of a laptop.



    They aren't *that* portable and they don't even come close to the power of a desktop. They also don't sync so you have to be "either-or" for your main computer. Using a desktop as well as a laptop is just awkward at best.



    I like the idea of a powerful desktop (if you need it) and iPad for everything mobile. So far this is the perfect combo for me.
  • Reply 63 of 226
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,758member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post


    If the [stupid] iOSification of Lion is any indication, then future Apple products probably will be disruptive. The "we know better than you" attitude of Apple - while justified occasionally, is being pushed to extremes. They'd better be right.



    I can go back over Apple's history and find similar comments about every transition they ever made. When I was demonstrating Lisa it wasn't so bad as at that price it was considered Sci-Fi but the first Macs were either met with child like, wide eyed enthusiasm or total horror by keyboard centric DOS morons. The move from OS 9 was really good for such comments. So many were swearing they'd never adopt this nasty new OS X. Personally I just love these transitions, keeps the mind working and I know in time they will be added to the annals of computer history's mile stones ... and I was there
  • Reply 64 of 226
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    Originally Posted by mgsarch View Post


    At which point Apple will own our music, files, browsing history, location data, and various other scary tidbits. NTM, Apple was recently the highest valued company on Earth. Yes, Earth .... Apple is growing into a daunting size and sitting on more cash than the U.S. Government. This is all coming from a 20 year Apple user and shareholder that has benefited greatly from their growth. I love them and appreciate what they have done but they're starting to frighten me a bit.



    I'm not interested in iSkyNet. The day Apple goes 100% iCloud is the day I go 100% linux.



    p.s.

    hello! this is my first post! long-time lurker, macrumors regular.



    Don't think you need to distrust Apple sharing or misusing your data -- or unfairly constricting your choices.



    Apple wants to build the products "they want to have and use" and make them available to others on a free market.



    Apple does this so well that others buy their products because they are superior -- not because they have to.



    This can lead to Apple dominating markets, but, likely, it is not an illegal monopoly -- Anymore than IBM was when it had 97% of the computer market.



    A case, at that time, against IBM, was dismisssed by a judge who said, essentially: it is not illegal to dominate a market by providing excellent products, marketing and services. 97% of the maimframe computer market. 97%!



    This comes from someone who has been observing Apple for 33 years -- as a user; reseller; supplier; critic; participant in a joint project; shareholder; self-motivated evangelist!
  • Reply 65 of 226
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,758member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I could never see the attraction of a laptop.



    They aren't *that* portable and they don't even come close to the power of a desktop. They also don't sync so you have to be "either-or" for your main computer. Using a desktop as well as a laptop is just awkward at best.



    I like the idea of a powerful desktop (if you need it) and iPad for everything mobile. So far this is the perfect combo for me.



    You lost me on the 'don't sync' part ...?
  • Reply 66 of 226
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
    Maybe it's that thing where the pad docks in the monitor.
  • Reply 67 of 226
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,654member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fecklesstechguy View Post


    This is going to be a struggle first for those of us in technology, as we tend to be wedded to the existing technology paradigm, so look for strong negative reaction by pundits across the board to the new approach when Apple first announces it. Apple stock will inevitably take an initial hit as well (as it seems to do when Apple introduces a new product line). As the iPad demonstrated, if a straight line is drawn from one product to the next (interface-wise for example) consumers have demonstrated that they are willing to make that move much quicker than those of us who are heavily invested in the current technologies..



    It's not a matter of being invested in current technologies. It's a matter of what level of usability and efficiency one needs, which is dependent upon the types of applications they use.



    There has been a split in the market. For those who browse the web, tweet, play games, read e-books, do light email to which they respond in only one or two sentences and only need very simplified versions of applications, an iPad-type interface makes sense.



    For those people who do intensive work such as long documents, big spreadsheets, complex presentations, graphic design, Photoshop, etc., they need something resembling a traditional computer with a full keyboard and large screen real-estate.



    I personally think there's going to be a backlash against "the cloud" because people will find how limited they are when they're not connected. Give me the choice of a cloud experience with the frustrations when connections are slow or non-existant and the choice of a computer that weights a pound more and stores my files locally for access at any time and I am ALWAYS going to opt for the latter.



    So while I have no doubt that computers will continue to evolve into designs that we can't quite imagine today (at least I can't), I think Apple's got to be careful to preserve appropriate solutions for all markets and not to force "coolness" on us when it has negative impact on power and efficiency.
  • Reply 68 of 226
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    A case, at that time, against IBM, was dismisssed by a judge who said, essentially: it is not illegal to dominate a market by providing excellent products, marketing and services. 97% of the maimframe computer market. 97%!



    Is that a funny typo, or did you mean it? (I know personally the type of damage mainframes and their associated ecosystems have done to certain people).
  • Reply 69 of 226
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post


    Maybe Apple is about to take on Google single source of income by going after their search and advertising base.



    Abject nonsense.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve Jobs


    We didn't enter the search business. THEY made a phone.



  • Reply 70 of 226
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    I discovered Apple in 1978 -- I wanted to buy an Apple ][, on a Saturday and the 4 computer stores in Silicon Valley were all closed. On the way home, my wife, Lucy, said "Apple just moved to Cupertino, and I think I can find it". She did -- Bandley Drive -- roads being paved construction everywhere -- what a mess!



    We enter this building -- a big room with a counter at one end -- no other furniture. People were everywhere, standing leaning against the wall, sitting on the floor -- some with computers, showing stuff to others. It looked like a Berkley sit-in -- loud, raucous -- but everybody was laughing and having fun...



    Long story short -- I got my Apple ][ a month later, with 2 partners opened the 5th computer stope in SV that December, and later quit a very good Job at IBM Palo Alto.



    I always wondered what would have happened -- if that day I'd applied at Apple...



    Ah, but SJ and I would have butted heads -- and my ass would have been out of there in no time...



    So you've been around

    Remember Taligent? I was quite involved with that, lived next door to Sunnyvale. Nobody expected Amelio to just go like that but it was another time of technological turmoil. Still some interesting technology came out of it that even java uses

    To say that Steve is headstrong is an understatement, but then that's him. He does it his way! Looking back at NeXT and Pixar you can say in retrospect they were his early attempts at success. He really won (unlike Charlie Sheen who won in his own mind only)
  • Reply 71 of 226
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,758member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Nonsense. That's why the Mac Mini and iMac exist.







    … WANT. NOW.



    Need a more powerful computer? Buy a second box. Need more hard drive space? Buy a Thunderbolt RAID array. Need a more powerful computer after that? Plug the second box into the Thunderbolt RAID array.



    This would basically be RAIDed CPUs. Just buy more and plug them in. And obviously knowing Apple, it wouldn't take any setup at all. Entire server rooms would be reduced to plugging in a new box when you needed more processing power.



    i never even thought about that ... of course we are used to clusters for rendering in the video pro apps but extend that concept to the entire OS ... brilliant! I take my i7 MBP from where ever I have been using it back to my main desk area and plug in to my large LCD screen and many TB of external disk ... so why not an additional 4 or 8 or even 12 core CPU Apple gizmo or two that are patiently waiting there for me whenever needed. I love that idea.
  • Reply 72 of 226
    prwprw Posts: 31member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Citing an anonymous source within the Cupetino-based company's Asian supply chain, hit-or-miss macotakara.jp claims Apple with the help of its component suppliers is gearing up to introduce Macs that are "absolutely different from current products," possibly by the "end of this year."



    What I think Apple should produce is a displayless iMac with a few variations: it would use one or more MacBook Air-style SSD drives, use the MagSafe connector for power, and include batteries for uninterruptible power. At least two Thunderbolt ports. No optical drive, one Firewire port, a few USB ports, Ethernet, Bluetooth, WiFi. It should have options for high-end graphics processor support, and be a little larger than a Mac mini, with vertical orientation.



    With Thunderbolt, internal drives are unnecessary, and the device could be designed so that processor daughter boards could be added and/or replaced. USB hubs would be easily added. And like the iMac, it should have at least 4 memory slots, which allows for up to 32 GB RAM. Obviously, only low powered fans would be required, so the device should stay very quiet, and require only a small amount of desktop real estate.



    The key point to provide expansion capability is designing in multiple daughter boards for the CPUs. But without high power requirements. An Apple Thunderbolt Display is one example of an expansion dock already. A companion product would be a Thunderbolt dock for hard disk drives, optical drives, plus other ports. But it would be an option, not part of the base Device.



    This would replace the Mac Pro into the future, based on Apple's penchant for using laptop style components. One of the processor boards could use ARM CPUs, for development or supporting a future version of Mac OS X. Or maybe Mac OS XI.
  • Reply 73 of 226
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    i never even thought about that ... of course we are used to clusters for rendering in the video pro apps but extend that concept to the entire OS ... brilliant! I take my i7 MBP from where ever I have been using it back to my main desk area and plug in to my large LCD screen and many TB of external disk ... so why not an additional 4 or 8 or even 12 core CPU Apple gizmo or two that are patiently waiting there for me whenever needed. I love that idea.



    Oh, GOSH. I didn't even THINK about being able to plug it into a LAPTOP!



    Not just a bunch of RAIDed desktops but if you need more power for your laptop, plug in this new Mac Pro thingy and WHAM you're rendering with the big boys on your tiny MacBook Air!



    Crap.



    See, this is what happens. We get ourselves all happy about incredibly awesome stuff that Apple will never do. And then it's disappointing when they release whatever they do release.
  • Reply 74 of 226
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,758member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Oh, GOSH. I didn't even THINK about being able to plug it into a LAPTOP!



    Not just a bunch of RAIDed desktops but if you need more power for your laptop, plug in this new Mac Pro thingy and WHAM you're rendering with the big boys on your tiny MacBook Air!



    Crap.



    See, this is what happens. We get ourselves all happy about incredibly awesome stuff that Apple will never do. And then it's disappointing when they release whatever they do release.







    BUT just maybe Steve follows you and I on AI for his next big idea



    Seriously though, I wonder just how small and inexpensive Apple could make such an add on TB based CPU for? BTW not sure way RAID has to do with any of of this.
  • Reply 75 of 226
    hudson1hudson1 Posts: 800member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I could never see the attraction of a laptop.



    They aren't *that* portable and they don't even come close to the power of a desktop. They also don't sync so you have to be "either-or" for your main computer. Using a desktop as well as a laptop is just awkward at best.



    I like the idea of a powerful desktop (if you need it) and iPad for everything mobile. So far this is the perfect combo for me.



    Sure they're portable. An iMac or MacPro isn't. Regarding power... what don't they have enough power for? One can also say that a MacPro isn't powerful enough for some tasks. Can you see trying to run an airline reservation system on a MacPro instead of some giant mainframe?



    iCloud allegedly takes care of the "either or" question. At lease I guess we'll find out if that's true.
  • Reply 76 of 226
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Apple TV becoming integral within a new wifi only HDTV could considered a transitional product. Just a thought ....



    Yeah, I emailed a friend who is an exec in Broadcast TV -- about this, but more about the iPads as Personal TVs over WiFi, around the house. No rebroadcast, no PVR -- whatever comes out of the coax cable just WiFi to the iPads.



    A got a short answer that the technology is there, but the politics are not.



    We plan to speak later today so maybe I'll be able to flesh-out the answer.



    But, based on the above, I don't believe an Apple HDTV/ATV solution fits the timeframe if this rumor:
  • Reply 77 of 226
    backtomacbacktomac Posts: 4,579member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    … WANT. NOW.



    Need a more powerful computer? Buy a second box. Need more hard drive space? Buy a Thunderbolt RAID array. Need a more powerful computer after that? Plug the second box into the Thunderbolt RAID array.



    This would basically be RAIDed CPUs. Just buy more and plug them in. And obviously knowing Apple, it wouldn't take any setup at all. Entire server rooms would be reduced to plugging in a new box when you needed more processing power.



    That would be awesome. I don't know if Apple would do it but it would be Apple's answer for a "home" built pc. Except it would be drop dead easy, plug and play.
  • Reply 78 of 226
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post






    BUT just maybe Steve follows you and I on AI for his next big idea



    Well, I've had a few people say that I'm Steve Jobs before, so you never know.



    For the record, I have no idea why they said that. Probably because when I used to pose my position on something, I was incredibly adamant about it.
  • Reply 79 of 226
    hudson1hudson1 Posts: 800member
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    Originally Posted by Porchland View Post


    ...



    * Partnership with several automakers to integrate iOS into dashboard features -- navigation, Airplay integration, automatic syncing of tracks, playlists and apps to an in-car hard drive, etc



    ....



    This is a tremendous idea, IMHO. Especially with the dawning of LTE, if you build wireless connectivity into automobiles it could then sync via iCloud to everything you have. Imagine your car with a built-in touchscreen running iOS where you can instantly call up all your music to play in the car, get your contacts, make calls with a speakerphone or bluetooth headset, heck even play movies on the drop-down monitors in the back seat. Add in internet for whatever you need and you have quite a system. Wouldn't even need a hard drive with the way SSDs are becoming ubiquitous.
  • Reply 80 of 226
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    Originally Posted by hobBIT View Post


    Don't think so. A product transition would indicate a transition from an existing product. Like new iPhone or a new MacBook Pro models.



    This is reportedly a completely new product.



    ?? Macs that are "absolutely different from current products? - Sounds like a product transition to me.
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