Apple seeds Mac OS X 10.7.2, iCloud beta 10 to developers

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• Reply 1 of 8

  bigpics Posts: 1,397member

  September 2, 2011 1:24PM

  It's little discussed on these forums, but if anything's holding back the release of the next gen iPhones/Pods I think it's in the critical integration of Lion, iOS 5 and iCloud so that all the new promised functions "just work" seamlessly.
  
  
  
  I'm sure Apple could have released a nice hardware upgrade any time in the last 6 months - and that the wait is not for a smaller, more power efficient LTE chip. A well-integrated GSM/CDMA module that handles all four US providers, China's CDMA and others around the world may also have been a factor (if in hand), as cutting the number of Phone SKU's in half will contribute nicely to the bottom line in multiple ways. But again....
  
  
  
  ....Apple's well aware the one place they have a bad rep and have failed multiple times is in web integration (from iDisk to Ping and counting) and are (I would think/hope) determined to get this latest effort - huge in scope actually - as right as possible out of the gate.
• Reply 2 of 8

  emig647 Posts: 2,455member

  September 2, 2011 1:37PM

  Can anyone confirm if the spaces issue on 10.7.2 is fixed yet?
  
  
  
  The issue is: when you switch apps between spaces, the app switched to is often not brought to the front and is hidden behind windows. This requires switching to it twice to get it to come to the front.
• Reply 3 of 8

  solipsism Posts: 25,726member

  September 2, 2011 2:15PM

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  Originally Posted by bigpics
  
  
  I'm sure Apple could have released a nice hardware upgrade any time in the last 6 months - and that the wait is not for a smaller, more power efficient LTE chip.
  

  
  

  
  
  I'm not sure that's true. Just look at the phones today that come with LTE. Or the iPhone-sized devices that don't when those same vendors make big devices with LTE.
  
  
  
  Nor do I think that LTE 6 months ago would make sense for a device distributed around the world. How many real subscribers would really be a candidate for LTE compared to the number of subscribers that have access to '3G'. Remember that Apple released a '2G' iPhone when '3G' was very well situated through out the world.
  
  
  
  

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  A well-integrated GSM/CDMA module that handles all four US providers, China's CDMA and others around the world may also have been a factor (if in hand), as cutting the number of Phone SKU's in half will contribute nicely to the bottom line in multiple ways.
  

  
  

  
  
  That certainly seems sound but keep in mind Apple's much larger device, the iPad, has 18 SKUs. If you look at iFixit breakdown I'd think they could have gotten a larger daughter board in there for a true world mode device without much negative affect to other component space. Certainly better than the iPhone's internal space. So why didn't they? It could be licensing, power usage, cost or several other reasons that are above and beyond the physical dimensions.
  
  
  
  

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  ....Apple's well aware the one place they have a bad rep and have failed multiple times is in web integration (from iDisk to Ping and counting) and are (I would think/hope) determined to get this latest effort - huge in scope actually - as right as possible out of the gate.
  

  
  

  
  
  Not selling new HW so they can wait to release software that will be coming to Macs and older iDevices doesn't jive with me. Seems like that would cost them billions in profit for something they can just release once its fully baked.
  
  
  
  Personally, I think they are trying to put a full 6 months between their two biggest products, the iPhone and iPad, and pairing the iPhone up with their least profitable arm, the iPod line. The Touch may also get deprecated as the iPhone inevitably drops in price.
• Reply 4 of 8

  bigpics Posts: 1,397member

  September 2, 2011 2:45PM

  Quote:
  

  Originally Posted by solipsism
  
  
  I'm not sure that's true. Just look at the phones today that come with LTE. Or the iPhone-sized devices that don't when those same vendors make big devices with LTE.
  
  
  
  Nor do I think that LTE 6 months ago would make sense for a device distributed around the world. How many real subscribers would really be a candidate for LTE compared to the number of subscribers that have access to '3G'. Remember that Apple released a '2G' iPhone when '3G' was very well situated through out the world.
  

  
  

  
  
  My bad for not making clear I believe Apple has no intention of releasing "4G" with this phone - I was referring to a next gen combo of 3G and all the flavors of GSM and CDMA from the major cellcos. One that sips no more power than the existing sets of radios.
  
  
  
  

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  That certainly seems sound but keep in mind Apple's much larger device, the iPad, has 18 SKUs. If you look at iFixit breakdown I'd think they could have gotten a larger daughter board in there for a true world mode device without much negative affect to other component space. Certainly better than the iPhone's internal space. So why didn't they? It could be licensing, power usage, cost or several other reasons that are above and beyond the physical dimensions.
  

  
  

  
  
  I don't believe "G" service of any flavor is the major driver of iPad development. Yet at least. I was all hyped about the 3G model (or next year's likely 4G), but thinking it through, the Wi-Fi variant will generally do me fine - long as I have a smart phone to either tether to, or settle for the smartphone's net access - and generally the places I want to use it all have WiFi anyway.
  
  
  
  But being able to ship one phone to Apple Stores, to Cellcos around the world, to BestBuy, etc., etc. will save Apple (and resellers) lots of logistics. And they'll all come off one assembly line - distinguished only by onboard storage. And cutting the number iPad SKU's for the G models in half will also help the whole process for that family as well. Apple is all about efficient inventory management, especially under Cook.
  
  
  
  

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  Not selling new HW so they can wait to release software that will be coming to Macs and older iDevices doesn't jive with me. Seems like that would cost them billions in profit for something they can just release once its fully baked.
  
  
  
  Personally, I think they are trying to put a full 6 months between their two biggest products, the iPhone and iPad, and pairing the iPhone up with their least profitable arm, the iPod line. The Touch may also get deprecated as the iPhone inevitably drops in price.
  

  
  

  
  
  I kind of share your last speculation (about spacing releases and likely marrying the releases of the pods and phones). But I'll still maintain it's not just about having the phone ready, it's having the whole ecosystem that the marriage of iOS5, Lion and iCloud represent working well out of the gate. And the rough edges around Lion.0 show that there's plenty to do when you're making a jump this big. And this is the biggest quantam leap level change in that system to date, in a new world where all devices are seamlessly sharing and communicating peers in an integrated system.
  
  
  
  A black eye in the media around this rollout (especially as the first huge release in the post Jobs as CEO era) would hurt more in the long run than any lost sales by holding a hardware ready iPhone 5 back. And they can afford to get the whole system right since the iP 4's still selling so well.
• Reply 5 of 8

  mstone Posts: 11,510member

  September 2, 2011 3:35PM

  Quote:
  

  Originally Posted by bigpics
  
  
  It's little discussed on these forums, but if anything's holding back the release of the next gen iPhones/Pods I think it's in the critical integration of Lion, iOS 5 and iCloud so that all the new promised functions "just work" seamlessly.
  

  
  

  
  
  It will be interesting to see what the differences between the Mac version and Windows version of iCloud, iTunes Match and docs/contact syncing will be. Lion is important but the iCloud feature needs to work with Windows too. I would guess there are more people with iPhones and iPads hooked up to Windows than to Macs.
• Reply 6 of 8

  irnchriz Posts: 1,617member

  September 2, 2011 4:15PM

  Must be getting close:
  
  
  
  Known Issues
  
  - None
  
  Focus Areas
  
  - AirPort
  
  - App Kit
  
  - Graphics Drivers
  
  - iCall
  
  - iChat
  
  - Mac App Store
  
  - Mail
  
  - Spotlight
  
  - Time Machine
• Reply 7 of 8

  welshdog Posts: 1,897member

  September 2, 2011 8:23PM

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  Originally Posted by AppleInsider
  
  
  
  
  People familiar with the latest version of Mac OS X 10.7.2 say it is known as build 11C48. Developers have reportedly been asked to concentrate on AirPort, AppKit, GraphicsDrivers, iCal, iChat, the Mac App Store, Spotlight and Time Machine.
  

  
  

  
  
  I hope the mention of graphics drivers means they have fixed the Nvidia driver problem with 2010 Macbook Pro. I bought Lion but didn't install it after I found out that my 2010 MBP would likely have serious crashing/kernel panics with Lion.
  
  
  
  Seems like they have taken their sweet time with this. Probably Nvidia dragging their feet.
• Reply 8 of 8

  ascii Posts: 5,936member

  September 3, 2011 12:30PM

  iCloud 10th public beta, just roll it out already.