I think you're all picturing it the wrong way - I don't think the curved screen will be convex, it'll be concave. Much like the analogy with a CRT screen being curved to accommodate the electron gun (but in reverse), I could see a touchscreen being slightly concave (from the user's perspective) so that "finger distance" remains constant as you sweep and flick.
As a quick example, think about how when you're stretching an image with finger & thumb; if the screen's slightly concave, you're able to stretch the image more with a smaller motion. Or when you flick to the side, the curve follows the curve of your fingertip's movement - you don't have to (subconsciously, admittedly) adjust your fingertip height to match the flatness of the screen.
Absolutely. They are not going to make it curved in the same way the nano is. If there's a curve, it'll be concave and longitudinal - like the original Android phone (the one made for Google by Samsung iirc) was.
Absolutely. They are not going to make it curved in the same way the nano is. If there's a curve, it'll be concave and longitudinal - like the original Android phone (the one made for Google by Samsung iirc) was.
The only reason the Nano and CRT monitors work is because you're not touching it.
Exactly my question - rounded glass face? - is this a technical innovation that the consumer can use to some advantage or have they run out of ideas for the new models?
First, I want to say that I geeked out over the tablet-sized glass showing the cover of the book on the back of what he was reading. I just really REALLY liked that for some reason (also, the tip of the hat was very well placed).
Second, they certainly spent a lot of money on that short demo. And with 15 million views, they're obviously a fairly popular name (although I've never heard of them).
I just wonder how much they're working on physical stuff. I would hope that the amount spent on this look into the future is peanuts compared to the R&D they're actually doing, though that's often not the case.
Also, I want my future to be more than just clear, silver, and white. I love that combination, but other colors exist for a reason. They tend to be pretty.
More nonsense. Apple isn't going to create a curved glass iPhone, nor iPod touch, nor iPad. A curved surface may only be useful for a very large display for simulation purposes, and even then a simple array of flat monitors works fine.
More nonsense. Apple isn't going to create a curved glass iPhone, nor iPod touch, nor iPad. A curved surface may only be useful for a very large display for simulation purposes, and even then a simple array of flat monitors works fine.
Scrolling feels much more natural on a small curved glass screen. Try using the web browser on a curved screen Android phone at your local Best Buy.
Did you all even read my post above? This is for DESKTOP displays, not iPhones, iPads, or laptops...we are talking about a next-gen iMac or Thunderbolt display with wrap-around touch-capcitive glass, possibly with sensors for in-air gesturing....
Unless they turn next gen portable devices into a full on cylinder so you'll be carrying a glass coke can of a thing on your person, the tiny bit of extra surface area gained from curved glass would probably be imperceptible. The curved glass of a CRT was due to limitations that went along with creating a picture on the screen by aiming energy from a pivoting gun sitting at a fixed distance centered behind the glass. The curved screen is especially bad as a monitor. Flat CRTs were a godsend. Light, thin, flat LCDs leaps and bound over flat CRT behemoths.
Maybe there is an advantage to curved glass on portable devices I'm not imagining at the moment, but in and of itself, curved glass on a visual display surface (at least for 2D images) is less than desirable. Despite what many people believe, Apple does not always adhere to the form follows function approach, unless the "function" is to sacrifice a bit of usability in favor of pumping up the "shiny bauble" appeal for the consumer market (glossy monitors, cases that are small for the sake of small to the point of ditching useful function, etc.).
Hopefully, this won't be another example of Apple coming up with a new "cool" factor that does little to improve the product, but gets nerds and teenagers hot and bothered due to sheer next big thing gadget lust.
The curved tube was a structural issue... creating flat tubes required the use of thicker glass, which at the time they didn't have the capacity to make. When the larger tube flat screens came out, many had front glass over 2 inches thick. My 'old' Sony 32 weighed 220lbs... and the centre of gravity was maybe 2 inches from the front... telling me the majority of that TV's weight was the front glass.
The curve of the old tube is to withstand the vacuum forces... not to keep the face equidistant from the beam...
I can't see how it would make the touch screenneasier to use. In reality it would be harder. Then you have the issue of actually making the screen, which would be massively expensive compared to flat glass. Flat glass is extremely simple to make in mass production.
Beyond that think about bounding the LCD and touch screen components. It would be like asking for a manufacturing nightmare. Warranty repair would be hell to as now you have a surface that is easy to put a point load on.
This whole curved glass thing makes no sense to me as I don't see it leading to a better product.
Did you all even read my post above? This is for DESKTOP displays, not iPhones, iPads, or laptops...we are talking about a next-gen iMac or Thunderbolt display with wrap-around touch-capcitive glass, possibly with sensors for in-air gesturing....
Did you read the article? It specifically mentions phones.
The only "sensors" for air gestures around now are video cameras (like xBox, PS3, wii). You don't need a curved glass for "air gestures." You need a new implementation of OS and aps to translate mapping done by a simple web cam into a GUI. If you've ever use an old curved CRT, you know that a curved large monitor is a giant step backwards, and the shape of the monitor has zero to do with "air gestures".
Apple has, however, announced one high-profile project that will prominently feature curved glass: the company's plans for a new "spaceship" campus in Cupertino.
Did you all even read my post above? This is for DESKTOP displays, not iPhones, iPads, or laptops...we are talking about a next-gen iMac or Thunderbolt display with wrap-around touch-capcitive glass, possibly with sensors for in-air gesturing....
I bet most read it and thought what I was thinking,"ya, I've seen minority report too".
Why would a thunderbolt diplay need wrap around glass, touch capacitive or not? We're years away from in-air gesture os's.
The last thing Apple is going to do is copy Android. Are you kidding?
Not like they've haven't ever added features after someone else did. If this rumour is true and they use it in the screen, it would be a lot like the Contour display in the Nexus S. And Giz just posted a rumor about more integrated voice features like Android.
Did you read the article? It specifically mentions phones.
The only "sensors" for air gestures around now are video cameras (like xBox, PS3, wii). You don't need a curved glass for "air gestures." You need a new implementation of OS and aps to translate mapping done by a simple web cam into a GUI. If you've ever use an old curved CRT, you know that a curved large monitor is a giant step backwards, and the shape of the monitor has zero to do with "air gestures".
I think he meant concave, not convex like old TVs. There was a mockup of a concave (i.e. wraparound) iMac that floated around a while back. The design was horrible but the idea was good imho.
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I think you're all picturing it the wrong way - I don't think the curved screen will be convex, it'll be concave. Much like the analogy with a CRT screen being curved to accommodate the electron gun (but in reverse), I could see a touchscreen being slightly concave (from the user's perspective) so that "finger distance" remains constant as you sweep and flick.
As a quick example, think about how when you're stretching an image with finger & thumb; if the screen's slightly concave, you're able to stretch the image more with a smaller motion. Or when you flick to the side, the curve follows the curve of your fingertip's movement - you don't have to (subconsciously, admittedly) adjust your fingertip height to match the flatness of the screen.
Absolutely. They are not going to make it curved in the same way the nano is. If there's a curve, it'll be concave and longitudinal - like the original Android phone (the one made for Google by Samsung iirc) was.
Absolutely. They are not going to make it curved in the same way the nano is. If there's a curve, it'll be concave and longitudinal - like the original Android phone (the one made for Google by Samsung iirc) was.
The only reason the Nano and CRT monitors work is because you're not touching it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38
Why would I want curved glass on my phone?
Exactly my question - rounded glass face? - is this a technical innovation that the consumer can use to some advantage or have they run out of ideas for the new models?
The future of glass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38
First, I want to say that I geeked out over the tablet-sized glass showing the cover of the book on the back of what he was reading. I just really REALLY liked that for some reason (also, the tip of the hat was very well placed).
Second, they certainly spent a lot of money on that short demo. And with 15 million views, they're obviously a fairly popular name (although I've never heard of them).
I just wonder how much they're working on physical stuff. I would hope that the amount spent on this look into the future is peanuts compared to the R&D they're actually doing, though that's often not the case.
Also, I want my future to be more than just clear, silver, and white. I love that combination, but other colors exist for a reason. They tend to be pretty.
Would curved glass be conducive to good gaming?
Could be. Depends on the game and the curve.
Could be. Depends on the game and the curve.
For example, EVE Online? SERIOUS curve.
Minecraft? Not as big a curve.
More nonsense. Apple isn't going to create a curved glass iPhone, nor iPod touch, nor iPad. A curved surface may only be useful for a very large display for simulation purposes, and even then a simple array of flat monitors works fine.
Scrolling feels much more natural on a small curved glass screen. Try using the web browser on a curved screen Android phone at your local Best Buy.
Unless they turn next gen portable devices into a full on cylinder so you'll be carrying a glass coke can of a thing on your person, the tiny bit of extra surface area gained from curved glass would probably be imperceptible. The curved glass of a CRT was due to limitations that went along with creating a picture on the screen by aiming energy from a pivoting gun sitting at a fixed distance centered behind the glass. The curved screen is especially bad as a monitor. Flat CRTs were a godsend. Light, thin, flat LCDs leaps and bound over flat CRT behemoths.
Maybe there is an advantage to curved glass on portable devices I'm not imagining at the moment, but in and of itself, curved glass on a visual display surface (at least for 2D images) is less than desirable. Despite what many people believe, Apple does not always adhere to the form follows function approach, unless the "function" is to sacrifice a bit of usability in favor of pumping up the "shiny bauble" appeal for the consumer market (glossy monitors, cases that are small for the sake of small to the point of ditching useful function, etc.).
Hopefully, this won't be another example of Apple coming up with a new "cool" factor that does little to improve the product, but gets nerds and teenagers hot and bothered due to sheer next big thing gadget lust.
The curved tube was a structural issue... creating flat tubes required the use of thicker glass, which at the time they didn't have the capacity to make. When the larger tube flat screens came out, many had front glass over 2 inches thick. My 'old' Sony 32 weighed 220lbs... and the centre of gravity was maybe 2 inches from the front... telling me the majority of that TV's weight was the front glass.
The curve of the old tube is to withstand the vacuum forces... not to keep the face equidistant from the beam...
Why would I want curved glass on my phone?
I can't see how it would make the touch screenneasier to use. In reality it would be harder. Then you have the issue of actually making the screen, which would be massively expensive compared to flat glass. Flat glass is extremely simple to make in mass production.
Beyond that think about bounding the LCD and touch screen components. It would be like asking for a manufacturing nightmare. Warranty repair would be hell to as now you have a surface that is easy to put a point load on.
This whole curved glass thing makes no sense to me as I don't see it leading to a better product.
Did you all even read my post above? This is for DESKTOP displays, not iPhones, iPads, or laptops...we are talking about a next-gen iMac or Thunderbolt display with wrap-around touch-capcitive glass, possibly with sensors for in-air gesturing....
Did you read the article? It specifically mentions phones.
The only "sensors" for air gestures around now are video cameras (like xBox, PS3, wii). You don't need a curved glass for "air gestures." You need a new implementation of OS and aps to translate mapping done by a simple web cam into a GUI. If you've ever use an old curved CRT, you know that a curved large monitor is a giant step backwards, and the shape of the monitor has zero to do with "air gestures".
Apple has, however, announced one high-profile project that will prominently feature curved glass: the company's plans for a new "spaceship" campus in Cupertino.
Totally related.
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Scrolling feels much more natural on a small curved glass screen. Try using the web browser on a curved screen Android phone at your local Best Buy.
The last thing Apple is going to do is copy Android. Are you kidding?
Did you all even read my post above? This is for DESKTOP displays, not iPhones, iPads, or laptops...we are talking about a next-gen iMac or Thunderbolt display with wrap-around touch-capcitive glass, possibly with sensors for in-air gesturing....
I bet most read it and thought what I was thinking,"ya, I've seen minority report too".
Why would a thunderbolt diplay need wrap around glass, touch capacitive or not? We're years away from in-air gesture os's.
The last thing Apple is going to do is copy Android. Are you kidding?
Not like they've haven't ever added features after someone else did. If this rumour is true and they use it in the screen, it would be a lot like the Contour display in the Nexus S. And Giz just posted a rumor about more integrated voice features like Android.
http://gizmodo.com/5843879/rumor-the...-voice-control
Did you read the article? It specifically mentions phones.
The only "sensors" for air gestures around now are video cameras (like xBox, PS3, wii). You don't need a curved glass for "air gestures." You need a new implementation of OS and aps to translate mapping done by a simple web cam into a GUI. If you've ever use an old curved CRT, you know that a curved large monitor is a giant step backwards, and the shape of the monitor has zero to do with "air gestures".
I think he meant concave, not convex like old TVs. There was a mockup of a concave (i.e. wraparound) iMac that floated around a while back. The design was horrible but the idea was good imho.