I don't like how when I'm writing an email and my gmail account underlines the word iPad in red, shit even AI underlines it, iPod however does not come up misspelled.
Settings > General > Keyboard > Reset Keyboard, I think.
For proof of this, just look at all the successful 7" tablets on the market today.
3:2.
The ignorance continues.
Please show me a 7 inch tablet that has the full might of a Amazon echo system behind it....including the Cloud storage Amazon already has and the Andriod app store it already has.
Focus all you want on the smaller screen, but realize that many people use the hell out of their smartphone today and have Zero problems with it. This tablet is the same price or less than the iPhone that will be announced next week.
Silly me can't find the amout of memory the fire has.
I like to store some files on my devices so that they can be used on a plane or boat or remote locations, so while the cloud is nice, local storage is nicer.
How much does the fire have?
8 gigs internal. It has a USB port, so I guess in theory it's storage capacity is equal to however many USB flash drives you want to buy.
Not sure how anyone can weigh in on this yet given we have no idea on the exact capabilities/specs of the Fire
There will be plenty of weighing in on this by the "anything but Apple" crowd. This will be their new, potential White Knight coming to save the world from the clutches of the useless toy known as the iPad.
But there is definitely a market for an inexpensive device that can deliver the basics. We'll just have to wait and see.
Silly me can't find the amout of memory the fire has.
I like to store some files on my devices so that they can be used on a plane or boat or remote locations, so while the cloud is nice, local storage is nicer.
How much does the fire have?
8 Gigs. Plus unlimited cloud storage for free.
And unlike any iPad, it has a USB port, so carrying a 2 TB portable drive on the plane or the boat is not a problem.
That's kind of a distinction without a difference. Gatorguy said it doesn't compete with the ipad but it may take sales from it. Taking sales is competing.
I think the proper phrase is "doesn't directly compete ..."
The Amazon tablet is aimed at a different end user, but this same end user has up until now been buying iPads at lest some of the time. So if you are buying an iPad and just using it for reading and playing the occasional game then you might the tempted to use this device instead. It doesn't do as much, but it's cheaper.
It doesn't "directly compete" because what it does is just a subset of what the iPad can potentially do. At the same time, recent studies have shown that a lot of iPad buyers do regard them as "toys" and do primarily use them just for reading and playing the occasional game.
I don't think it's right to say that the two devices compete or don't compete. The situation is more complicated than that.
In terms of iPad sales, I would say that some sales will indeed be stolen by "dumb" or "locked" tablets like Amazon's as tablet's gain popularity in general. But the iPad is still stealing sales away from netbooks and laptops on the other end and operating in markets that the Amazon tablet will never be in. The markets for each overlap, but don't directly compete.
AGAIN you people ignore the fundamental differences here.
I think you are making a flawed argument, if I can guess what it is. My guess is your logic is that the current iPad UI would not work as well on a 7" screen. No argument there.
But that doesn't mean it's impossible to have a usable UI on a 7" screen, anymore than it means that a 27" iMac is 5 times 'better' than an iPad.
1) it has killed the Tablet market for Android. Google may as well forget 2.3, 3.0, or anything else. If this tablet dominates the Android market, then whatever Google does is irrelevant unless Amazon decided to use it. If the AMazon tablet sticks with 2.2 and modifications, then Google can give up on all other versions, while iOS evolves.
2) Apple can learn from Amazon taking a hit on non-essential parts on their business.
If amazon is taking a hit of say $50 per device here, then it needs to sell that much over the lifetime of the device. Thats a big ask, but lets say it is possible. While APple do need to reduce prices on the lower end iPad ( possibly compensated by a higher priced Retina display version) it can take a hint from Amazon.
Amazon makes money from content, mostly so can sell hardware at a loss.
Apple makes money from hardware mostly, so can sell content at a loss.
By which I mean host the bookstore for free, or take a mere 5%. Let publishers choose their price. Try and undercut Amazon everywhere. Then continue to make money on the iPads.
the BookStore isnt as good as kindle, it could be. Make it cheaper.
Amazon on Wednesday unveiled its new Kindle Fire touchscreen tablet, an Android-powered device with a 7-inch display that will sell for just $199, or less than half of Apple's entry-level $499 iPad.
... when it arrives in 2012. The company is also said to be preparing an 8.9-inch device for release in the second half of 2012.
Amazon/Bezos is smart, he knows he doesn't stand a chance to beat 100.000s of Apps, a lifestyle already established or the "coveting"/me too factor (people wanting friend's toys they experimented with). It's an incredible and insurmountable advantage Apple has over anyone else: 100.000s of Apps and millions of devices floating in users hands. It's like there are millions of sales-people showing off the iPad to their friends and family. And no one wants a device like this just to read books or surf the net - people want it for the Apps.
So in real life - not in anal.ysts headlines - the iPad has a lead of years over everyone else. Bezos knows this. So he comes up with a realistic alternative/complement model. He actually feeds off of the HP Touchpad fire sale experience (hence the name Fire?!) and knows the target price that is possible.
This thing is designed to not make a profit, rather drive sales for Amazon. It's an Amazon.com sales device more than a Tablet with an ecosystem. I mean, there are people who hang up in shopping malls but that's a whole different game.
Its success will be to complement the iPad and go where it doesn't go (price).
Apple once did niche market, Amazon has nothing to lose on this. Bezos shows he's a great entrepreneur. But what else but realistic could he be?
PS: a shopping mall is NOT an ecosystem. Integration. Experience.
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I don't like how when I'm writing an email and my gmail account underlines the word iPad in red, shit even AI underlines it, iPod however does not come up misspelled.
Settings > General > Keyboard > Reset Keyboard, I think.
Also, has anyone looked at the age demographic for e-Readers? I think they are probably skewed towards older adults.
They're the ones with money to buy things?and they read.
Apple's iPad sales will be affected even tho the Kindle Fire is not a direct competitor.
Should be great for sales of the Nook Color too..... </close>
and I think it will have an impact on IPAD sales
It most certainly will. The questions remains, however, to what degree exactly? Nobody knows that, not even the defensive fanboys around here.
For proof of this, just look at all the successful 7" tablets on the market today.
3:2.
The ignorance continues.
Please show me a 7 inch tablet that has the full might of a Amazon echo system behind it....including the Cloud storage Amazon already has and the Andriod app store it already has.
Focus all you want on the smaller screen, but realize that many people use the hell out of their smartphone today and have Zero problems with it. This tablet is the same price or less than the iPhone that will be announced next week.
Do you know that the screen is measured by diagonal distance, not the width or the height right?
Yes, and I stand corrected by Tallest Skil, iPhone is 3:2 not 4:3. So its screen areas are:
iPhone (3:2): ~6 sq in
Fire (assuming it's 16:9): ~15.6 sq in
iPad (4:3): 48 sq in
So this definitely proves that big things are bigger than small things.
It's not in the same category as an iPad. The Coyote might be but for now this thing is a slow poke.
who cares? it does everything i do with my ipad. not like you need dual core to read a book.
i thought iFans didn't care about specs?
Silly me can't find the amout of memory the fire has.
I like to store some files on my devices so that they can be used on a plane or boat or remote locations, so while the cloud is nice, local storage is nicer.
How much does the fire have?
8 gigs internal. It has a USB port, so I guess in theory it's storage capacity is equal to however many USB flash drives you want to buy.
Not sure how anyone can weigh in on this yet given we have no idea on the exact capabilities/specs of the Fire
There will be plenty of weighing in on this by the "anything but Apple" crowd. This will be their new, potential White Knight coming to save the world from the clutches of the useless toy known as the iPad.
But there is definitely a market for an inexpensive device that can deliver the basics. We'll just have to wait and see.
Silly me can't find the amout of memory the fire has.
I like to store some files on my devices so that they can be used on a plane or boat or remote locations, so while the cloud is nice, local storage is nicer.
How much does the fire have?
8 Gigs. Plus unlimited cloud storage for free.
And unlike any iPad, it has a USB port, so carrying a 2 TB portable drive on the plane or the boat is not a problem.
Sounds like it is perfect for you!
Please show me a 7 inch tablet that has the full might of a Amazon [ecosystem] behind it
I can't. However, that doesn't automatically make you right. A well-established ecosystem is meaningless if its vessel of interaction is terrible.
Focus all you want on the smaller screen, but realize that many people use the hell out of their smartphone today and have Zero problems with it.
AGAIN you people ignore the fundamental differences here.
That's kind of a distinction without a difference. Gatorguy said it doesn't compete with the ipad but it may take sales from it. Taking sales is competing.
I think the proper phrase is "doesn't directly compete ..."
The Amazon tablet is aimed at a different end user, but this same end user has up until now been buying iPads at lest some of the time. So if you are buying an iPad and just using it for reading and playing the occasional game then you might the tempted to use this device instead. It doesn't do as much, but it's cheaper.
It doesn't "directly compete" because what it does is just a subset of what the iPad can potentially do. At the same time, recent studies have shown that a lot of iPad buyers do regard them as "toys" and do primarily use them just for reading and playing the occasional game.
I don't think it's right to say that the two devices compete or don't compete. The situation is more complicated than that.
In terms of iPad sales, I would say that some sales will indeed be stolen by "dumb" or "locked" tablets like Amazon's as tablet's gain popularity in general. But the iPad is still stealing sales away from netbooks and laptops on the other end and operating in markets that the Amazon tablet will never be in. The markets for each overlap, but don't directly compete.
It's a loss leader. Unlike Apple though, Amazon sell just about everything and shipping it with Prime is a good move as it should boost their sales.
Although the initial market reaction is positive, markets over time will demand a higher profit margin. It does not like loss leaders.
If the BOM is $180 and they're selling it for $199, even allowing for the piggyback products, they're barely breaking even.
The real rub will be the pricing on the 10-inch version.
Yes, and I stand corrected by Tallest Skil, iPhone is 3:2 not 4:3. So its screen areas are:
iPhone (3:2): ~6 sq in
Fire (assuming it's 16:9): ~15.6 sq in
iPad (4:3): 48 sq in
So this definitely proves that big things are bigger than small things.
Apology. I thought you said
A 7" 16:9 display has nearly twice the 4:3 screen area of the iPad.
Damn.. my eye sight.
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AGAIN you people ignore the fundamental differences here.
I think you are making a flawed argument, if I can guess what it is. My guess is your logic is that the current iPad UI would not work as well on a 7" screen. No argument there.
But that doesn't mean it's impossible to have a usable UI on a 7" screen, anymore than it means that a 27" iMac is 5 times 'better' than an iPad.
I like to get movies from iTunes onto my iPad. but the price of admission is pretty steep.
$499 for the tablet plus the cost of the movie rental.
If i only wanted a media device, this would be the way to go.
1) it has killed the Tablet market for Android. Google may as well forget 2.3, 3.0, or anything else. If this tablet dominates the Android market, then whatever Google does is irrelevant unless Amazon decided to use it. If the AMazon tablet sticks with 2.2 and modifications, then Google can give up on all other versions, while iOS evolves.
2) Apple can learn from Amazon taking a hit on non-essential parts on their business.
If amazon is taking a hit of say $50 per device here, then it needs to sell that much over the lifetime of the device. Thats a big ask, but lets say it is possible. While APple do need to reduce prices on the lower end iPad ( possibly compensated by a higher priced Retina display version) it can take a hint from Amazon.
Amazon makes money from content, mostly so can sell hardware at a loss.
Apple makes money from hardware mostly, so can sell content at a loss.
By which I mean host the bookstore for free, or take a mere 5%. Let publishers choose their price. Try and undercut Amazon everywhere. Then continue to make money on the iPads.
the BookStore isnt as good as kindle, it could be. Make it cheaper.
Amazon on Wednesday unveiled its new Kindle Fire touchscreen tablet, an Android-powered device with a 7-inch display that will sell for just $199, or less than half of Apple's entry-level $499 iPad.
... when it arrives in 2012. The company is also said to be preparing an 8.9-inch device for release in the second half of 2012.
Amazon/Bezos is smart, he knows he doesn't stand a chance to beat 100.000s of Apps, a lifestyle already established or the "coveting"/me too factor (people wanting friend's toys they experimented with). It's an incredible and insurmountable advantage Apple has over anyone else: 100.000s of Apps and millions of devices floating in users hands. It's like there are millions of sales-people showing off the iPad to their friends and family. And no one wants a device like this just to read books or surf the net - people want it for the Apps.
So in real life - not in anal.ysts headlines - the iPad has a lead of years over everyone else. Bezos knows this. So he comes up with a realistic alternative/complement model. He actually feeds off of the HP Touchpad fire sale experience (hence the name Fire?!) and knows the target price that is possible.
This thing is designed to not make a profit, rather drive sales for Amazon. It's an Amazon.com sales device more than a Tablet with an ecosystem. I mean, there are people who hang up in shopping malls but that's a whole different game.
Its success will be to complement the iPad and go where it doesn't go (price).
Apple once did niche market, Amazon has nothing to lose on this. Bezos shows he's a great entrepreneur. But what else but realistic could he be?
PS: a shopping mall is NOT an ecosystem. Integration. Experience.