Absolutely false. Many types of plastic will crack.
SOME plastic is less prone to cracking than SOME glasses. Some plastic is also more prone to scratching that some glasses.
There is a nearly infinite range of properties in both 'plastic' and 'glass'. And every one of those properties includes a trade-off. Comparing one material to another is an extensive, time-consuming process.
Apple has reached a different conclusion on this than the companies using plastic - OR Apple is working under different constraints OR Apple has different objectives. Whichever of those statements is true is really irrelevant. You can't buy an iPhone made of plastic, for example. You compare phone A to phone B and evaluate which one will better suit your needs after considering ALL the properties. Focusing on a single one is silly.
Sorry, you just failed physics (chemistry, actually). There are some very brittle plastics and some very flexible, shatter resistant glasses. Your statement is equivalent to saying that "blue will always be darker than red". There's just no factual basis for your statement.
Which involves more trade-offs.
As soon as you've managed to create not one, but three of the best selling phones in history, then your opinion of the correct choice of materials might be worth something. Until then, no one cares what you think the iPhone should be made off.
The more resistant plastic will be stronger than the more resistant glass.
At least less likely to break. And no, physics since I'm not actually discussing the composition but rather the way energy is transferred through the materials.
Anyways I think people should just be more careful. I'd love a glass phone.
I had already included a qualifier, though indeed it was worded only for those with a sense of humor. To make it stand out more for you I've taken the liberty of putting it in bold.
I have neither the time nor the interest to describe for you the full scope and limitations of the USPTO vetting process. Those familiar with the fact that a great many patents are awarded and later found invalid understand how it works and don't need such tedious redundancy.
Did you write your checks to Compton when you backed up your HD to an optical drive?
Spend your time and your money how you like. The rest of us here will continue to enjoy a more light-hearted dialog.
Typical. You make a blatantly false claim, then when corrected claim you were just "joking".
Given Samsung's series of patent infringement lawsuits with Apple, the company's new flagship Galaxy Nexus handset has reportedly been designed specifically to avoid potentially infringing on iPhone-related patents.
Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun revealed his company's approach when speaking with reporters this week following the unveiling of the Galaxy Nexus, according to Yonhap News Agency. He said Samsung will "avoid everything and take patents very seriously."
He went on to say that though Samsung took great pains to avoid any potential patent infringement with the Google Nexus, he could not be certain that the phone will be "100 percent free" of lawsuits from Apple.
Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong said the just-announced Galaxy Nexus is designed to stand out, but was not specifically aimed at avoiding Apple patents.
Hong said that the possible patent overlaps weren?t as much an issue when Google and Samsung began planning for the product many months ago.
?At the time this was not a really heavy issue,? Hong said, speaking at AsiaD. Hong said that patents were not a big part of the discussion in planning the lead device for Ice Cream Sandwich, now known as Android 4.0.
?I don?t know where that rumor is from,? Hong said.
Sounds like "Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong" needs to communicate better with "Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun".
No wonder they can't innovate - executives there don't even talk to each other - or read the news.
I had already included a qualifier, though indeed it was worded only for those with a sense of humor. To make it stand out more for you I've taken the liberty of putting it in bold.
I have neither the time nor the interest to describe for you the full scope and limitations of the USPTO vetting process. Those familiar with the fact that a great many patents are awarded and later found invalid understand how it works and don't need such tedious redundancy.
Did you write your checks to Compton when you backed up your HD to an optical drive?
Spend your time and your money how you like. The rest of us here will continue to enjoy a more light-hearted dialog.
So, to you, "light-hearted dialog" involves blatant lies - as long as you can try to make Apple look bad? No thanks. I prefer to tell the truth.
And I can assure you that I am quite familiar with the 'full scope and limitations of the USPTO vetting process". My employees have received many dozens of patents over the years with my involvement in the process for all of them.
That may well be true. But it's also important to remember there are cultural differences as well. The majority of the developed world is governed by western ideas, including common views of intellectual property. But not all cultures have the same viewpoint; in certain eastern views, in my experience, there is a different idea of what intellectual property is, or whether it really is a property at all. Obviously I don't want to make a blanket statement regarding cultures, but my point is simply that not all cultures have the same standards and ideals. We tend to assume otherwise.
Nonsense. Samsung damn well better be familiar with patent issues if it wants to continue to play in the same field as other companies.
Now that is one ugly muu muu phone. And monster big, to boot. The large and extra large phones sell less than 6% of the market, are more expensive to build and one wonders what the profits might be.
I, too, will never buy anything Samsung. Can?t trust the company can build anything of real quality or innovation with these plastic billings as their lead in smart phones. And what is the possibility of updates in the future? No profit in updates, is there.
you sound like you don't like doing real research. and a lot of apple fans told me they're not just buying iphones because they look good but you just proved that statement wrong! the antennae wrapped around the phone was such an out of this world innovative idea that the cellphone towers cant find it LOL... i guess apple fans really dont think, they just 'look and feel'
look at sales stats in the very countries where samsung's product was temporarily injuncted - germany and australia not to mention UK and others...oh and the T3 award..
the touchscreen on your iphone is a product of samsung, the chips your iphone runs on in a product of samsung. do some research before you make statments like that
Just read through that section of the article, DED is only giving 1 part of the data.
Here's the expanded part of it:
. . .
edit#2: lol sorry, I got so drawn in by DED's bad reporting that I forgot to address your point. If you look at the raw data, and not DED's [horrible] analysis of it; It is possible for the data there to match the 24% figured; as 4.0" to 4.3" screens can be classified as 'normal' size, which represents over 70% of the share.
Thanks for the info, majjo. I?m am always leery of stats, even original source, unless I know from experience that what is presented is lacking in agenda. Difficult in these times when people have their favourites, regardless truth. Again, have to find time and energy to scope all this. Hopefully Horace Dediu\twill be attending to all this.
you sound like you don't like doing real research. and a lot of apple fans told me they're not just buying iphones because they look good but you just proved that statement wrong! the antennae wrapped around the phone was such an out of this world innovative idea that the cellphone towers cant find it LOL... i guess apple fans really dont think, they just 'look and feel'
look at sales stats in the very countries where samsung's product was temporarily injuncted - germany and australia not to mention UK and others...oh and the T3 award..
the touchscreen on your iphone is a product of samsung, the chips your iphone runs on in a product of samsung. do some research before you make statments like that
What is the problem cocofashionlv. Honestly, you will live longer, be happier and a better human being by dispensing with the anger and resentments. Enjoy what you have and bless others to the right to their own choices. I truly wish you the best in choices that matter to the spirit of a sentient being.
Not at all...but some things become standards...in this time of exponential growth things become standard faster than before.
Should Apple be forced to license the ACTUAL design of the iPad? no...had Apple been granted all the rights to multitouch should they become FRAND? yes...these are my opinions based solely on how I feel.
There are some things you can't really innovate around, or shouldn't be expected to if it leaves you out from freely competing in a market...and to just throw that word around whenever something may infringe is ridiculous.
I agree and disagree. I agree with your main points because multitouch definitely deserves to be standardized, BUT it's 1) only been four years or so for this new market, and 2) the other players should have worked through proper channels to establish a standard rather than "lifting" stuff and putting off legal consequences
DED's no grammarian, but it's clear he's pretty smart. He knows what he's doing, just as Bill O'Reilly does. Both have identified a demographic with particular tastes and interests, and serve that audience with reporting that gets spun in whatever way is needed to reinforce that audience's world view. The end result is an unusually loyal fan base that brings in advertising dollars; neither "journalist" is going for a Peabody, just eyeball count.
Yeah, I read articles from people biased on both the pro-apple and pro-google side of things; its always interested to note what snippets they choose to emphasize to further their agenda. However, the misrepresentation of data like this goes beyond bias IMO, and really shouldn't be tolerated, by either side.
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Originally Posted by mhikl
Thanks for the info, majjo. I?m am always leery of stats, even original source, unless I know from experience that what is presented is lacking in agenda. Difficult in these times when people have their favourites, regardless truth. Again, have to find time and energy to scope all this. Hopefully Horace Dediu will be attending to all this.
Namaste,
mhikl
No problem. To be fair, your point is valid; the galaxy nexus IS a big phone. There are people, pro-android people even, who are refusing to buy it on the basis of its size. I don't blame them either; I personally feel that 3.8" to 4.0" is the sweet size for smartphones, and anything 4.3" and beyond is too hefty to carry around.
However, if you look at the market as a whole, some of the most successful android smartphones have been 4.3"+; namely the HTC EVO on sprint, the Motorola Droid X on verizon, and the Samsung Galaxy S2 basically everywhere except the US
So there definitely is a market for these large devices; I can't really fault Samsung or Google for pushing the screen size in this regard.
To get a feel for the size of this thing, here it is sitting next to an iphone 4:
I do. Every time I upgrade my iPhone, I know I can resell it in a year or two for more than I paid for it. Essentially, I paid for my first iPhone and the rest of them have been free upgrades.
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Absolutely false. Many types of plastic will crack.
SOME plastic is less prone to cracking than SOME glasses. Some plastic is also more prone to scratching that some glasses.
There is a nearly infinite range of properties in both 'plastic' and 'glass'. And every one of those properties includes a trade-off. Comparing one material to another is an extensive, time-consuming process.
Apple has reached a different conclusion on this than the companies using plastic - OR Apple is working under different constraints OR Apple has different objectives. Whichever of those statements is true is really irrelevant. You can't buy an iPhone made of plastic, for example. You compare phone A to phone B and evaluate which one will better suit your needs after considering ALL the properties. Focusing on a single one is silly.
Sorry, you just failed physics (chemistry, actually). There are some very brittle plastics and some very flexible, shatter resistant glasses. Your statement is equivalent to saying that "blue will always be darker than red". There's just no factual basis for your statement.
Which involves more trade-offs.
As soon as you've managed to create not one, but three of the best selling phones in history, then your opinion of the correct choice of materials might be worth something. Until then, no one cares what you think the iPhone should be made off.
The more resistant plastic will be stronger than the more resistant glass.
At least less likely to break. And no, physics since I'm not actually discussing the composition but rather the way energy is transferred through the materials.
Anyways I think people should just be more careful. I'd love a glass phone.
You would do well to read the things you quote.
I had already included a qualifier, though indeed it was worded only for those with a sense of humor. To make it stand out more for you I've taken the liberty of putting it in bold.
I have neither the time nor the interest to describe for you the full scope and limitations of the USPTO vetting process. Those familiar with the fact that a great many patents are awarded and later found invalid understand how it works and don't need such tedious redundancy.
Did you write your checks to Compton when you backed up your HD to an optical drive?
Spend your time and your money how you like. The rest of us here will continue to enjoy a more light-hearted dialog.
Typical. You make a blatantly false claim, then when corrected claim you were just "joking".
Given Samsung's series of patent infringement lawsuits with Apple, the company's new flagship Galaxy Nexus handset has reportedly been designed specifically to avoid potentially infringing on iPhone-related patents.
Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun revealed his company's approach when speaking with reporters this week following the unveiling of the Galaxy Nexus, according to Yonhap News Agency. He said Samsung will "avoid everything and take patents very seriously."
He went on to say that though Samsung took great pains to avoid any potential patent infringement with the Google Nexus, he could not be certain that the phone will be "100 percent free" of lawsuits from Apple.
At the same time,
http://allthingsd.com/20111020/samsu...apple-patents/
Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong said the just-announced Galaxy Nexus is designed to stand out, but was not specifically aimed at avoiding Apple patents.
Hong said that the possible patent overlaps weren?t as much an issue when Google and Samsung began planning for the product many months ago.
?At the time this was not a really heavy issue,? Hong said, speaking at AsiaD. Hong said that patents were not a big part of the discussion in planning the lead device for Ice Cream Sandwich, now known as Android 4.0.
?I don?t know where that rumor is from,? Hong said.
Sounds like "Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong" needs to communicate better with "Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun".
No wonder they can't innovate - executives there don't even talk to each other - or read the news.
You would do well to read the things you quote.
I had already included a qualifier, though indeed it was worded only for those with a sense of humor. To make it stand out more for you I've taken the liberty of putting it in bold.
I have neither the time nor the interest to describe for you the full scope and limitations of the USPTO vetting process. Those familiar with the fact that a great many patents are awarded and later found invalid understand how it works and don't need such tedious redundancy.
Did you write your checks to Compton when you backed up your HD to an optical drive?
Spend your time and your money how you like. The rest of us here will continue to enjoy a more light-hearted dialog.
So, to you, "light-hearted dialog" involves blatant lies - as long as you can try to make Apple look bad? No thanks. I prefer to tell the truth.
And I can assure you that I am quite familiar with the 'full scope and limitations of the USPTO vetting process". My employees have received many dozens of patents over the years with my involvement in the process for all of them.
That may well be true. But it's also important to remember there are cultural differences as well. The majority of the developed world is governed by western ideas, including common views of intellectual property. But not all cultures have the same viewpoint; in certain eastern views, in my experience, there is a different idea of what intellectual property is, or whether it really is a property at all. Obviously I don't want to make a blanket statement regarding cultures, but my point is simply that not all cultures have the same standards and ideals. We tend to assume otherwise.
Nonsense. Samsung damn well better be familiar with patent issues if it wants to continue to play in the same field as other companies.
Do you love your phones, or is the real answer no one wants them, so it's impossible to resell them once you're done with them?
The great thing about Apple products is that they hold their value. Wish I owned an Apple I, for instance.
I don´t buy a phone thinking to resell it...
Think it was the Australian
Now that is one ugly muu muu phone. And monster big, to boot. The large and extra large phones sell less than 6% of the market, are more expensive to build and one wonders what the profits might be.
I, too, will never buy anything Samsung. Can?t trust the company can build anything of real quality or innovation with these plastic billings as their lead in smart phones. And what is the possibility of updates in the future? No profit in updates, is there.
you sound like you don't like doing real research. and a lot of apple fans told me they're not just buying iphones because they look good but you just proved that statement wrong! the antennae wrapped around the phone was such an out of this world innovative idea that the cellphone towers cant find it LOL... i guess apple fans really dont think, they just 'look and feel'
look at sales stats in the very countries where samsung's product was temporarily injuncted - germany and australia
the touchscreen on your iphone is a product of samsung, the chips your iphone runs on in a product of samsung. do some research before you make statments like that
Typical. You make a blatantly false claim, then when corrected claim you were just "joking".
Exactly. Make the knowingly false statement and even with a qualifier the broad stroke of the comment stands.
Just read through that section of the article, DED is only giving 1 part of the data.
Here's the expanded part of it:
. . .
edit#2: lol sorry, I got so drawn in by DED's bad reporting that I forgot to address your point. If you look at the raw data, and not DED's [horrible] analysis of it; It is possible for the data there to match the 24% figured; as 4.0" to 4.3" screens can be classified as 'normal' size, which represents over 70% of the share.
Thanks for the info, majjo. I?m am always leery of stats, even original source, unless I know from experience that what is presented is lacking in agenda. Difficult in these times when people have their favourites, regardless truth. Again, have to find time and energy to scope all this. Hopefully Horace Dediu\twill be attending to all this.
Namaste,
mhikl
you sound like you don't like doing real research. and a lot of apple fans told me they're not just buying iphones because they look good but you just proved that statement wrong! the antennae wrapped around the phone was such an out of this world innovative idea that the cellphone towers cant find it LOL... i guess apple fans really dont think, they just 'look and feel'
look at sales stats in the very countries where samsung's product was temporarily injuncted - germany and australia
the touchscreen on your iphone is a product of samsung, the chips your iphone runs on in a product of samsung. do some research before you make statments like that
What is the problem cocofashionlv. Honestly, you will live longer, be happier and a better human being by dispensing with the anger and resentments. Enjoy what you have and bless others to the right to their own choices. I truly wish you the best in choices that matter to the spirit of a sentient being.
Not at all...but some things become standards...in this time of exponential growth things become standard faster than before.
Should Apple be forced to license the ACTUAL design of the iPad? no...had Apple been granted all the rights to multitouch should they become FRAND? yes...these are my opinions based solely on how I feel.
There are some things you can't really innovate around, or shouldn't be expected to if it leaves you out from freely competing in a market...and to just throw that word around whenever something may infringe is ridiculous.
I agree and disagree. I agree with your main points because multitouch definitely deserves to be standardized, BUT it's 1) only been four years or so for this new market, and 2) the other players should have worked through proper channels to establish a standard rather than "lifting" stuff and putting off legal consequences
DED's no grammarian, but it's clear he's pretty smart. He knows what he's doing, just as Bill O'Reilly does. Both have identified a demographic with particular tastes and interests, and serve that audience with reporting that gets spun in whatever way is needed to reinforce that audience's world view. The end result is an unusually loyal fan base that brings in advertising dollars; neither "journalist" is going for a Peabody, just eyeball count.
Yeah, I read articles from people biased on both the pro-apple and pro-google side of things; its always interested to note what snippets they choose to emphasize to further their agenda. However, the misrepresentation of data like this goes beyond bias IMO, and really shouldn't be tolerated, by either side.
Thanks for the info, majjo. I?m am always leery of stats, even original source, unless I know from experience that what is presented is lacking in agenda. Difficult in these times when people have their favourites, regardless truth. Again, have to find time and energy to scope all this. Hopefully Horace Dediu will be attending to all this.
Namaste,
mhikl
No problem. To be fair, your point is valid; the galaxy nexus IS a big phone. There are people, pro-android people even, who are refusing to buy it on the basis of its size. I don't blame them either; I personally feel that 3.8" to 4.0" is the sweet size for smartphones, and anything 4.3" and beyond is too hefty to carry around.
However, if you look at the market as a whole, some of the most successful android smartphones have been 4.3"+; namely the HTC EVO on sprint, the Motorola Droid X on verizon, and the Samsung Galaxy S2 basically everywhere except the US
So there definitely is a market for these large devices; I can't really fault Samsung or Google for pushing the screen size in this regard.
To get a feel for the size of this thing, here it is sitting next to an iphone 4:
I don´t buy a phone thinking to resell it...
I do. Every time I upgrade my iPhone, I know I can resell it in a year or two for more than I paid for it. Essentially, I paid for my first iPhone and the rest of them have been free upgrades.