Steve Jobs told biographer he 'cracked' the secret to a simple HDTV

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  • Reply 161 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    All you said can be done with a $99 box. That's called AppleTV.



    Straight away you've got two remotes, that's your first mistake. It only gets worse after that. I truly can't understand why you don't see what I see here. To me it's so obvious it's practically comical.
  • Reply 162 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    The only advantage as far as I can tell is FaceTime with a camera on a Apple display, is that enough to differentiate from the rest? I don't think so.



    Apple must have a groundbreaking tech on the display itself to generate interest so people can move and pay premium price for it. Right now most things can happen on that $99 box that's easy to update and don't break the bank.



    We'll see but my feeling all the hoopla lately about Apple and television is geared towards a upcoming ATV box and a new model of media delivery utilizing iCloud.



    This TV will be to "TV" what the iMac is to desktop computers, and more. Besides, FaceTime makes absolutly no sense on a TV. I shouldn't need to explain why.
  • Reply 163 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    This TV will be to "TV" what the iMac is to desktop computers, and more. Besides, FaceTime makes absolutly no sense on a TV. I shouldn't need to explain why.



    Out of curiosity, in your signature you seem very desperate to get a tv that you consider will be the iMac. You tell me you have a Kuro that's the Macpro in steroids of HDTVs. Why is that? Settle for less?

    Appletv will basically offer all the bells and whistles and you still able to keep you high end display. That seems to me a winning combination than wishing for something like an iMac of HDTVs. Makes no sense.

    But hey, if that rocks your boat.....
  • Reply 164 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Straight away you've got two remotes, that's your first mistake. It only gets worse after that. I truly can't understand why you don't see what I see here. To me it's so obvious it's practically comical.



    ?

    Remotes? Is that an issue to you?
  • Reply 165 of 197
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    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    Remotes? Is that an issue to you?



    If it isn't an issue to you, you need to donate your living brain to science so that specialists can figure out why you differ from the rest of the 6.8 billion humans on the planet.



    One remote. One system. That's the idea here. If the Apple Remote handled volume control or the Remote app on iDevices had specialized features for existing hardware, we'd already have that issue solved.
  • Reply 166 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    If it isn't an issue to you, you need to donate your living brain to science so that specialists can figure out why you differ from the rest of the 6.8 billion humans on the planet.



    One remote. One system. That's the idea here. If the Apple Remote handled volume control or the Remote app on iDevices had specialized features for existing hardware, we'd already have that issue solved.



    Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One and also to control my ATV, either my iPad or iPhone with the remote app.

    While I would welcomed a more streamlined solution, I have very few issues using the above and they do work quite well with my system that consists on ATV, Kuro HDTV, Receiver, Blu-ray and DTV cable box with DVR.



    Sorry that you have trouble with it.
  • Reply 167 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    ?

    Remotes? Is that an issue to you?



    The most profound things are the simplest.
  • Reply 168 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    Out of curiosity, in your signature you seem very desperate to get a tv that you consider will be the iMac. You tell me you have a Kuro that's the Macpro in steroids of HDTVs. Why is that? Settle for less?

    Appletv will basically offer all the bells and whistles and you still able to keep you high end display. That seems to me a winning combination than wishing for something like an iMac of HDTVs. Makes no sense.

    But hey, if that rocks your boat.....



    I want this TV for the world, not for me personally. I know, I'm that deep



    Btw the iMac statement was an analogy. You do know that right?
  • Reply 169 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One....



    I hate universal remotes more than hell itself.
  • Reply 170 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One and also to control my ATV, either my iPad or iPhone with the remote app.

    While I would welcomed a more streamlined solution....



    And while you'd welcome a more streamlined solution - why did you say those words?
  • Reply 171 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One and also to control my ATV, either my iPad or iPhone with the remote app.

    While I would welcomed a more streamlined solution, I have very few issues using the above and they do work quite well with my system that consists on ATV, Kuro HDTV, Receiver, Blu-ray and DTV cable box with DVR.



    Sorry that you have trouble with it.



    It's not about me, jerk. You are completely clueless.
  • Reply 172 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    I want this TV for the world, not for me personally. I know, I'm that deep



    Btw the iMac statement was an analogy. You do know that right?



    Yes, I know but my take is that you don't mind accepting something less.

    I for one would only pay premium for such device if they could bring me better quality than a Kuro. If not I will only stick to a new improved ATV box and droll at the image Pioneer can generate.
  • Reply 173 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    I hate universal remotes more than hell itself.



    Well, I have no complaints with my Logitech. Like I said if Apple can give me something better, why not? but I would not dismiss my Kuro for an Apple display just because a better remote experience they might provide. I also think whatever solution Apple comes up with, they will integrate to that $99 box.
  • Reply 174 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gugy View Post


    Well, I have no complaints with my Logitech. Like I said if Apple can give me something better, why not? but I would not dismiss my Kuro for an Apple display just because a better remote experience they might provide. I also think whatever solution Apple comes up with, they will integrate to that $99 box.



    The all-in-one nature will be the expirence, the box can't get that by design, and the box won't get apps, further differentiating it from iTV.
  • Reply 175 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    The all-in-one nature will be the expirence, the box can't get that by design, and the box won't get apps, further differentiating it from iTV.



    Sorry but makes no sense Apple not allowing apps on the $99 box.

    The negative outcry would be huge. Most people already have a nice HDTV set and denying them this experience would be bad.

    That's why I hardly see them going for a set. Unless they just want to offer one for the sake of having one. To be very suscesful they will have to offer an unique feature on the display that people will die for to get one. Is that apps? I don't think so.
  • Reply 176 of 197
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Sorry but makes no sense Apple not allowing apps on the $99 box.



    It makes no sense? It makes business sense. If you want apps you have to give us more money to get the real experience. This is Apple we're talking about. The whole idea here is for Apple to provide more reasons for it's customers to buy the all-in-one TV. This is what I think they'll do.
  • Reply 177 of 197
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Sorry but makes no sense Apple not allowing apps on the $99 box.



    If it makes no sense then how do you explain the AppleTV not having a 3rd-party App Store since 2007?
  • Reply 178 of 197
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
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    Originally Posted by ralphvasco View Post


    Maybe the AppleTv was just waiting for Siri...



    Imagine how beautiful it would be, I am in the mood for some How i met your mother episodes...

    And it will be there!

    It will be legen... wait for it.... dary



    Maybe not too far off the mark.

    http://www.speechtechmag.com/Article...ent-70994.aspx

    Quote:

    Nuance Communications says it will also be working to improve home entertainment. ?We?re in discussions with several set-top box manufacturers and cable providers [about] enabling you to speak a particular show or time and have the TV guide jump to that point?just a very quick search by voice, by genre, by show title, by time, by category, by actor or actress,? says Matt Revis, vice president of product management at Nuance.



    Wrap that in an Apple interface, ease of use and Apple magic and you get an easy to use TV/home electronics control system.
  • Reply 179 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    If it makes no sense then how do you explain the AppleTV not having a 3rd-party App Store since 2007?



    imo they are waiting to launch it on the next iteration of ATV. At some point they will have to provide that service.
  • Reply 180 of 197
    gugygugy Posts: 794member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    It makes no sense? It makes business sense. If you want apps you have to give us more money to get the real experience. This is Apple we're talking about. The whole idea here is for Apple to provide more reasons for it's customers to buy the all-in-one TV. This is what I think they'll do.



    If you want to talk about business sense then Apple should not pursue a TV set in the first place. Especially if you already think it will not have the best specs and cost premium price.

    AIO is great for products that can be update regularly. TV sets are products people keep for long time.

    That said Apple indeed can just release a TV with apps without giving the same feature to ATV. I wonder if that will be enough to persuade tons of people to pay high price for an AIO device that comes under the premise the ATV box installed inside might go outdate after 2 years or so... We'll find out if ever happens.
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