Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
AMEN!! I said goodbye to unions forever when I was 26, and lost a promotion I had worked my ever-loving ass off for to someone from a completely different department, simply because they were hired 3 DAYS BEFORE I WAS. He systematically ruined every streamlined procedure I'd set in place that had things running perfectly, and managed to single-handedly piss off our four top customers badly enough to push them over to our competition, all in a single meeting. To top it all off, the department head had the stones to bitch ME out, because I didn't do a good enough job training my boss. Bosses train employees, not the other way around. I told him, and my "boss," that if they wanted me to do that job, they should have given it to me in the first place. Quit that POS, took out a loan, and went back to college so I could be my own damn boss and never have to place my livelihood into the hands of morons like that ever again.
Anyone that actually has some morals and a healthy work ethic knows exactly what we are talking about here. Unions are the havens of slackers and masters of least effort required as a way of life individuals. They are also run by seriously corrupt bastards, as has been made clear by recent scandals in Chicago and NYC. As far as Apple retail stores go, the ONLY reason unions want a piece of that pie is because it would bring in millions of dollars in dues, and give them power and influence over one of the most profitable companies in the country. If you think this has anything to do with improving the lot of Apple employees, go look at the Apple employment page, and see just how much better even the lowest part time retail store employee has it in terms of pay and benefits compared to their counterparts at Best Buy, Fry's etc. Any Apple employee that has the nerve to bitch about their situation in this economy needs to be fired on the spot, and escorted out the door by security guards in black turtlenecks, so someone who actually wants and would appreciate that job can have it.
Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
Well put nitewing.
Apple is guilty of not treating their workers legally. Just ask someone that works at the Elk Grove operations or someone that has been an apple temp worker for more than a year.
Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
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Originally Posted by nitewing98
Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
This sounds like a one-way street to me. Unions can make unreasonable demands and make work too expensive (not just salaries, but work rules). But if it becomes too much and factories are moved overseas that's just corporate greed and they aren't patriotic.
How about if unions make unrealistic demands that unpatriotic?
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That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
AMEN!! I said goodbye to unions forever when I was 26, and lost a promotion I had worked my ever-loving ass off for to someone from a completely different department, simply because they were hired 3 DAYS BEFORE I WAS. He systematically ruined every streamlined procedure I'd set in place that had things running perfectly, and managed to single-handedly piss off our four top customers badly enough to push them over to our competition, all in a single meeting. To top it all off, the department head had the stones to bitch ME out, because I didn't do a good enough job training my boss. Bosses train employees, not the other way around. I told him, and my "boss," that if they wanted me to do that job, they should have given it to me in the first place. Quit that POS, took out a loan, and went back to college so I could be my own damn boss and never have to place my livelihood into the hands of morons like that ever again.
Anyone that actually has some morals and a healthy work ethic knows exactly what we are talking about here. Unions are the havens of slackers and masters of least effort required as a way of life individuals. They are also run by seriously corrupt bastards, as has been made clear by recent scandals in Chicago and NYC. As far as Apple retail stores go, the ONLY reason unions want a piece of that pie is because it would bring in millions of dollars in dues, and give them power and influence over one of the most profitable companies in the country. If you think this has anything to do with improving the lot of Apple employees, go look at the Apple employment page, and see just how much better even the lowest part time retail store employee has it in terms of pay and benefits compared to their counterparts at Best Buy, Fry's etc. Any Apple employee that has the nerve to bitch about their situation in this economy needs to be fired on the spot, and escorted out the door by security guards in black turtlenecks, so someone who actually wants and would appreciate that job can have it.
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Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
Well put nitewing.
Apple is guilty of not treating their workers legally. Just ask someone that works at the Elk Grove operations or someone that has been an apple temp worker for more than a year.
Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
Corruption is a fact of human life. It isn't limited to unions, it's also found in management & politics. You will always find corrupt individuals in any human endeavor. ( see "Enron," and "Jack Abramoff")
That being said, unions have brought many benefits to American workers and gave a voice to workers who previously had to work overtime without overtime pay, got no vacations, and had to work very very hard for little money. You know, like in China.
If jobs are sent abroad, look to the upper management who decided to boost profits for the shareholders rather than help Americans who need jobs. If American managers were truly patriotic, they would provide jobs for American workers, not Indian or Chinese workers, even if it meant fewer profits.
This sounds like a one-way street to me. Unions can make unreasonable demands and make work too expensive (not just salaries, but work rules). But if it becomes too much and factories are moved overseas that's just corporate greed and they aren't patriotic.
How about if unions make unrealistic demands that unpatriotic?