I wouldn't call it "evangelizing." But I suspect Android users post here because AppleInsider (and several other Apple-oriented "news" sites) insist on running attack pieces on Android almost daily. Often, these pieces are baseless sneering that willfully misrepresent and cherrypick data. Android users post here to try to correct the record.
The other tech sites mainly talk about their own communities. There are about a dozen major Android news sites; none of them run hit pieces on Apple. The Blackberry sites don't run stories bashing other platforms; nor do the WP7 sites. Yes, occasionally, someone will post an anti-Apple comment on an Android site, but that's the exception, not the rule. Contrast this with AppleInsider or Daring Fireball, which spend almost as much time bashing other platforms as they do talking about Apple's.
It's only on the Apple sites that I see this level of constant hateful vitriol. It makes your entire community look bad.
"You're holding it wrong" still shows up in the comments of numerous websites.
For fun check to see how many "Hello World" type apps are in the Android Market. I think I'll stick with the walled garden that is the App Store.
Or the Amazon Appstore for Android. Same deal.
You could also supplement their selection with reviewed apps from major vendors that you get elsewhere, but likely Amazon has them all anyways.
Kind of like what Mac users do when exercising choice as to what to install and what to avoid.
Me, when I need a simple or limited-use utility proggy, I go to shareware.cnet.com, which is kind of like Amazon's Appstore.
Walled gardens have their place. But experienced, intelligent users need not be tied down to them. They are very good, and maybe indispensable for amateurs. But experienced users get little benefit - and lots of unnecessary censorship.
The Malware doesn't just show up on your phone. You have to find an app, install an app, ignore the permissions, confirm you want to install the app and then install the app, and in most cases (if not all) open the app.
It's not like your phone is a frail person and the malware is a gang of angry youths intent on ruining your day.
android malware can 'just show up' on your phone. through email or sms. and you can click and install it. that's one big difference between it and ios apps.
people do just what you describe all the time. they just click and accept.
Walled gardens have their place. But experienced, intelligent users need not be tied down to them. They are very good, and maybe indispensable for amateurs. But experienced users get little benefit - and lots of unnecessary censorship.
I have to disagree with this statement. I'm an advanced and (not to toot my own horn) very intelligent computer user. I have had zero problems with the walled garden approach Apple have used.
You also need to remember that only two things are really censored from the App Store (copyright and morality not withstanding) - Undocumented Code and Pornography. So unless you have a craving for Cleavage and dodgy API I do not see how the App Store is a hindrance to any user of any experience level.
More to the point -- it's not the malware you have to worry about. It's the "legitimate" apps. There have been several reviews showing that many legitimate apps (on all platforms!) send login data in the clear, spy on users, store data insecurely, etc. Here's a recent one about iOS - http://www.troyhunt.com/2011/10/secr...dont-know.html. But, as I said, this issue isn't exclusive to iOS.
This is a serious issue. It's a shame so few folks talk about it. And this cartoonish "iOS is pristine; Android is a cesspool" meme doesn't help anyone.
apple fans are very vocal and with google they have a reason. google copied ios. thats a fact and googles own version of its phone setup before iphone and after show it. they were copying RIM and then magically while Schmidt was on apple board and iphone came out they came out with Android that wasn't a RIM copy but an iphone clone. so people do get upset about that.
but it isn't that android is a cesspool and ios is pristine. its the odds. odds are that you are safer using ios than android. same with mac os x and windows. odds are better if you stick with windows that you will get 'infected'.thats the truth.
android malware can 'just show up' on your phone. through email or sms. and you can click and install it. that's one big difference between it and ios apps.
people do just what you describe all the time. they just click and accept.
I've not heard of that happening, and a brief search shows no reference to emails and SMS infecting Android devices with viruses and malware. Not saying you're incorrect, but I couldn't find instances of it.
I've not heard of that happening, and a brief search shows no reference to emails and SMS infecting Android devices with viruses and malware. Not saying you're incorrect, but I couldn't find instances of it.
the issue is that an .apk can come from anywhere (email, sms, etc) and android users can install it. good and bad. bad cuz most users don't know a thing about what they are clicking and have no desire to do some research before they install things, but, good if you do know what you are doing and want to install an app regardless if its from the android market.
the issue is that an .apk can come from anywhere (email, sms, etc) and android users can install it. good and bad. bad cuz most users don't know a thing about what they are clicking and have no desire to do some research before they install things, but, good if you do know what you are doing and want to install an app regardless if its from the android market.
I couldn't find any malware in your link that uses email or SMS for surprise infections. They all look to be delivered via fake applications that a user purposefully downloads and installs.
Is it any surprise that thieves, criminals and lowlifes flock to Android like flies flock to doggy poo?
You'd figure that it was bad enough to be using an inferior OS, which provides the users with many hours of choppy and laggy enjoyment, but they also are the #1 targeted mobile platform in the world for malware.
Why? Because they are morons, that's why.
Any freak can upload anything they want to the Android market. It could be the worst malware ever written and nobody would give a shit, because anything goes on Android. It's a free for all. I feel sorry for the suckers using such a pathetic OS. Enjoy your openness.
There are many criminals associated with i-devices. Check Craigslist for more information.
You know they will. They'll just sell it as a loss leader hoping to recoup through sells of their content. Which is fine, but why not build a great product with amazing software to consume and take advantage of your content?
The "back to school" season starts on July 5. I'd expect the release to coincide with that season.
Have you spent a decent amount of time with any Android device?
I'm sorry, did I forget to mention the 'common sense' part in my objection? You either have to prove that my asssertation about common sense is false or prove that common sense does not exist. Wrong question.
I couldn't find any malware in your link that uses email or SMS for surprise infections. They all look to be delivered via fake applications that a user purposefully downloads and installs.
no one said 'surprise' why are you adding that now? learn to read. you will find that i said users had to click and if you reread the article you will find a delivery by sms.
Android.Adsms AKA AndroidOS_Adsms.A
This malware specifically targeted China Mobile subscribers. The malware arrived through a link sent through SMS.
Android users are stuck in the same malware nightmare world that PC users are.
It sounds to me like the AppleWorld is where you should live.
PC users are in no kind of malware nightmare. I can't quite remember the last time I had any concerns.
Then again, I don't download things like "Free Porn Software" and run it. But even if I were to try, my AV is 99% likely to work perfectly, and warn me that it contains "BadGuy XXX Trojan" or whatever.
Look - some people like to stay in Resorts and be safe, while others stay in town and experience local color. Some buy familiar trusted brands, while others seek out every new thing they can find. Some people live in gated communities, while others choose the boonies where they are left alone.
It'a all OK. Your choices are fine. And so are theirs.
Well they are. But the fact that you don't see it tells a lot. If you are an Android owner you either do not care or worry about these possible security problems that come with an open system. Or you are willing to take the risk and worry for the sake of an open system. These two categories of android users do this because it is their way of life. Anybody with a bit of common sense can tell you that a world without rules and a system to verify whether people are living by those rules (the law is only as effective as its enforcer) is a total mess and anarchie. Are you more free with such a system? No! Choice is not defined by the amount of options available. But by the ability to make a choice. If I present to you thousands of canned jam without any labels on it nor the gaurantee that neither of them will kill or harm you. You have lots of options but you cannot make an (informed) decision and thus have little choice. If I give you 3 cans of jam with a clear description and the guarantee that it has been tested I have more. Choice. It is a way of living. Trust me.
rules are of value as intelligence drops. the stupid need rules to guide them. the wise do not.
iPhones and Androids are a device; they are not a way of life.
Grow up.
Lifestyle creation is an old, and seemingly very effective marketing and branding tool.
The dancing silhouette iPod commercials, for example, were all about that. The Pepsi Generation was all about that. I'm a Pepper. The Most Interesting Man in the World drinking some brand of beer.
All similar (but with many other aspects thrown it too, for maximum message), and AFAIK, all very effective.
Apple as been doing it very, very well since at least the intro of the Mac. Their shit is often "us against them", with Apple Users poised as superior in specific respects. Those respects change over the decades, to reflect and to reshape popular culture. Nobody wants to be John Hodgman's character. They are on Jason Long's team. Nobody wants to be a drone watching a repressive talking head - they want to be a rebel like the chick with the hammer.
Steve also rallied the troops, and maybe himself, with frequent allegations of wrongdoing by some enemy, requiring him and his to fight the good fight against the forces of evil and darkness. It started on Day One of the Mac, or for all I know, prior to that. There have been many targets of enmity over the years, which has depended upon Apple's business purposes. Recently, of course, Google and its customers are the Bad Guys, necessitating that ApplePeople band together to fight evil.
So don't be surprised that many folks have swallowed the marketing hook, line and sinker. Don't be surprised that they have altered their self-identity in precisely the manner that the corporation desired.
That is a phenomenon that many huge advertisers have exploited for years, and Apple is masterful at pulling it off.
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I wouldn't call it "evangelizing." But I suspect Android users post here because AppleInsider (and several other Apple-oriented "news" sites) insist on running attack pieces on Android almost daily. Often, these pieces are baseless sneering that willfully misrepresent and cherrypick data. Android users post here to try to correct the record.
The other tech sites mainly talk about their own communities. There are about a dozen major Android news sites; none of them run hit pieces on Apple. The Blackberry sites don't run stories bashing other platforms; nor do the WP7 sites. Yes, occasionally, someone will post an anti-Apple comment on an Android site, but that's the exception, not the rule. Contrast this with AppleInsider or Daring Fireball, which spend almost as much time bashing other platforms as they do talking about Apple's.
It's only on the Apple sites that I see this level of constant hateful vitriol. It makes your entire community look bad.
"You're holding it wrong" still shows up in the comments of numerous websites.
You'd be blind not to see that.
"You're holding it wrong" still shows up in the comments of numerous websites.
You'd be blind not to see that.
oh no, mocking a CEO's ridiculous comment is the same as calling an entire group of technology users lower class citizens.
Equivalency is not your strong suit.
Reminds me of the people who consider "Cracker" on par with the N-word.
Have you spent a decent amount of time with any Android device?
I did and ended up hating Android more, why do you ask? Why are you evangelizing Android here?
I did and ended up hating Android more, why do you ask? Why are you evangelizing Android here?
What phone?
And see post number 55 for the answer to your question.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...9&postcount=55
I`ve been reading all these reviews of the Kindle Fire dissing it because it can`t access the Android Market.
Every time I read it I feel like Amazon has done Fire buyers a favor instead of a disservice as the reviewers would have you believe.
I`m an iOS user but my wife has an Android, she wouldn`t download from the Android Market if you paid her to do so.
So she bought an expensive smart phone to use only the basic crapware the phone company put on it? Might as well got a basic phone.
Yikes!
For fun check to see how many "Hello World" type apps are in the Android Market. I think I'll stick with the walled garden that is the App Store.
Or the Amazon Appstore for Android. Same deal.
You could also supplement their selection with reviewed apps from major vendors that you get elsewhere, but likely Amazon has them all anyways.
Kind of like what Mac users do when exercising choice as to what to install and what to avoid.
Me, when I need a simple or limited-use utility proggy, I go to shareware.cnet.com, which is kind of like Amazon's Appstore.
Walled gardens have their place. But experienced, intelligent users need not be tied down to them. They are very good, and maybe indispensable for amateurs. But experienced users get little benefit - and lots of unnecessary censorship.
The Malware doesn't just show up on your phone. You have to find an app, install an app, ignore the permissions, confirm you want to install the app and then install the app, and in most cases (if not all) open the app.
It's not like your phone is a frail person and the malware is a gang of angry youths intent on ruining your day.
android malware can 'just show up' on your phone. through email or sms. and you can click and install it. that's one big difference between it and ios apps.
people do just what you describe all the time. they just click and accept.
Walled gardens have their place. But experienced, intelligent users need not be tied down to them. They are very good, and maybe indispensable for amateurs. But experienced users get little benefit - and lots of unnecessary censorship.
I have to disagree with this statement. I'm an advanced and (not to toot my own horn) very intelligent computer user. I have had zero problems with the walled garden approach Apple have used.
You also need to remember that only two things are really censored from the App Store (copyright and morality not withstanding) - Undocumented Code and Pornography. So unless you have a craving for Cleavage and dodgy API I do not see how the App Store is a hindrance to any user of any experience level.
More to the point -- it's not the malware you have to worry about. It's the "legitimate" apps. There have been several reviews showing that many legitimate apps (on all platforms!) send login data in the clear, spy on users, store data insecurely, etc. Here's a recent one about iOS - http://www.troyhunt.com/2011/10/secr...dont-know.html. But, as I said, this issue isn't exclusive to iOS.
This is a serious issue. It's a shame so few folks talk about it. And this cartoonish "iOS is pristine; Android is a cesspool" meme doesn't help anyone.
apple fans are very vocal and with google they have a reason. google copied ios. thats a fact and googles own version of its phone setup before iphone and after show it. they were copying RIM and then magically while Schmidt was on apple board and iphone came out they came out with Android that wasn't a RIM copy but an iphone clone. so people do get upset about that.
but it isn't that android is a cesspool and ios is pristine. its the odds. odds are that you are safer using ios than android. same with mac os x and windows. odds are better if you stick with windows that you will get 'infected'.thats the truth.
android malware can 'just show up' on your phone. through email or sms. and you can click and install it. that's one big difference between it and ios apps.
people do just what you describe all the time. they just click and accept.
I've not heard of that happening, and a brief search shows no reference to emails and SMS infecting Android devices with viruses and malware. Not saying you're incorrect, but I couldn't find instances of it.
I've not heard of that happening, and a brief search shows no reference to emails and SMS infecting Android devices with viruses and malware. Not saying you're incorrect, but I couldn't find instances of it.
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the issue is that an .apk can come from anywhere (email, sms, etc) and android users can install it. good and bad. bad cuz most users don't know a thing about what they are clicking and have no desire to do some research before they install things, but, good if you do know what you are doing and want to install an app regardless if its from the android market.
https://paulsparrows.wordpress.com/2...are-full-list/
the issue is that an .apk can come from anywhere (email, sms, etc) and android users can install it. good and bad. bad cuz most users don't know a thing about what they are clicking and have no desire to do some research before they install things, but, good if you do know what you are doing and want to install an app regardless if its from the android market.
I couldn't find any malware in your link that uses email or SMS for surprise infections. They all look to be delivered via fake applications that a user purposefully downloads and installs.
Is it any surprise that thieves, criminals and lowlifes flock to Android like flies flock to doggy poo?
You'd figure that it was bad enough to be using an inferior OS, which provides the users with many hours of choppy and laggy enjoyment, but they also are the #1 targeted mobile platform in the world for malware.
Why? Because they are morons, that's why.
Any freak can upload anything they want to the Android market. It could be the worst malware ever written and nobody would give a shit, because anything goes on Android. It's a free for all. I feel sorry for the suckers using such a pathetic OS. Enjoy your openness.
There are many criminals associated with i-devices. Check Craigslist for more information.
You know they will. They'll just sell it as a loss leader hoping to recoup through sells of their content. Which is fine, but why not build a great product with amazing software to consume and take advantage of your content?
The "back to school" season starts on July 5. I'd expect the release to coincide with that season.
Have you spent a decent amount of time with any Android device?
I'm sorry, did I forget to mention the 'common sense' part in my objection? You either have to prove that my asssertation about common sense is false or prove that common sense does not exist. Wrong question.
I couldn't find any malware in your link that uses email or SMS for surprise infections. They all look to be delivered via fake applications that a user purposefully downloads and installs.
no one said 'surprise' why are you adding that now? learn to read. you will find that i said users had to click and if you reread the article you will find a delivery by sms.
Android.Adsms AKA AndroidOS_Adsms.A
This malware specifically targeted China Mobile subscribers. The malware arrived through a link sent through SMS.
Android users are stuck in the same malware nightmare world that PC users are.
It sounds to me like the AppleWorld is where you should live.
PC users are in no kind of malware nightmare. I can't quite remember the last time I had any concerns.
Then again, I don't download things like "Free Porn Software" and run it. But even if I were to try, my AV is 99% likely to work perfectly, and warn me that it contains "BadGuy XXX Trojan" or whatever.
Look - some people like to stay in Resorts and be safe, while others stay in town and experience local color. Some buy familiar trusted brands, while others seek out every new thing they can find. Some people live in gated communities, while others choose the boonies where they are left alone.
It'a all OK. Your choices are fine. And so are theirs.
Well they are. But the fact that you don't see it tells a lot. If you are an Android owner you either do not care or worry about these possible security problems that come with an open system. Or you are willing to take the risk and worry for the sake of an open system. These two categories of android users do this because it is their way of life. Anybody with a bit of common sense can tell you that a world without rules and a system to verify whether people are living by those rules (the law is only as effective as its enforcer) is a total mess and anarchie. Are you more free with such a system? No! Choice is not defined by the amount of options available. But by the ability to make a choice. If I present to you thousands of canned jam without any labels on it nor the gaurantee that neither of them will kill or harm you. You have lots of options but you cannot make an (informed) decision and thus have little choice. If I give you 3 cans of jam with a clear description and the guarantee that it has been tested I have more. Choice. It is a way of living. Trust me.
rules are of value as intelligence drops. the stupid need rules to guide them. the wise do not.
iPhones and Androids are a device; they are not a way of life.
Grow up.
Lifestyle creation is an old, and seemingly very effective marketing and branding tool.
The dancing silhouette iPod commercials, for example, were all about that. The Pepsi Generation was all about that. I'm a Pepper. The Most Interesting Man in the World drinking some brand of beer.
All similar (but with many other aspects thrown it too, for maximum message), and AFAIK, all very effective.
Apple as been doing it very, very well since at least the intro of the Mac. Their shit is often "us against them", with Apple Users poised as superior in specific respects. Those respects change over the decades, to reflect and to reshape popular culture. Nobody wants to be John Hodgman's character. They are on Jason Long's team. Nobody wants to be a drone watching a repressive talking head - they want to be a rebel like the chick with the hammer.
Steve also rallied the troops, and maybe himself, with frequent allegations of wrongdoing by some enemy, requiring him and his to fight the good fight against the forces of evil and darkness. It started on Day One of the Mac, or for all I know, prior to that. There have been many targets of enmity over the years, which has depended upon Apple's business purposes. Recently, of course, Google and its customers are the Bad Guys, necessitating that ApplePeople band together to fight evil.
So don't be surprised that many folks have swallowed the marketing hook, line and sinker. Don't be surprised that they have altered their self-identity in precisely the manner that the corporation desired.
That is a phenomenon that many huge advertisers have exploited for years, and Apple is masterful at pulling it off.