But it is only half the story. In exchange for getting only vetted software, you give up the ability to install other capable software that the device manufacturer does not approve of.
Some prefer to live with reasonable restrictions that protect their general welfare rather than to live with complete lawlessness. Neither choice offers total freedom.
Personally, I prefer living in a society where the authorities protect the citizens rather than a place where I have to be on vigil to defend myself from constant threat of attack.
Lifestyle marketing may be a tried and true hook and Apple clearly knows how to take advantage of that approach, but the flaw in your logic is assuming that's all there is to it.
...
Computers and mobile devices like music players and phones and tablets are tied in to your lifestyle and trying to criticize them on that basis is missing the forest for the trees.
I never criticized Apple products on the basis that they are tied into your lifestyle. I never assumed that all there is to it is Apple's choice of marketing approach.
Instead, I said that Apple chose their approach well. And that Apple does a good job using its chosen approach.
The fact that certain products are, indeed, tied to your lifestyle is a good reason why such an approach makes oodles of sense for a company like Apple or Pepsico. The products made by such companies are in consumer areas where you can convince people to become a Pepper.
Likely it wouldn't work with many other types of products.
The Malware doesn't just show up on your phone. You have to find an app, install an app, ignore the permissions, confirm you want to install the app and then install the app, and in most cases (if not all) open the app.
It's not like your phone is a frail person and the malware is a gang of angry youths intent on ruining your day.
Not for the ones that root the phone and never ask for permissions. These exist in the Android Market. Sounds like you might be an easy target.
Some prefer to live with reasonable restrictions that protect their general welfare rather than to live with complete lawlessness. Neither choice offers total freedom.
Personally, I prefer living in a society where the authorities protect the citizens rather than a place where I have to be on vigil to defend myself from constant threat of attack.
As you say, select which ever you prefer.
If those two choices accurately described the state of things, the choice would be easy.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it sounds to me like you would prefer to buy software from a trusted source, like Best Buy or the Amazon Appstore for Android or Apple's iOS store. I think that makes sense for most people.
Other people do that and also find cool stuff elsewhere to install. You are unable to do that using iOS, but you don't mind.
... RDF techniques never work in writing...People can sit and think about stuff when it is in writing, so they are not flummoxed so easily.
That is exactly why I wrote what I wrote
When telepathy becomes common we will only have death to limit the RDF since writing will be overwritten after it is read by the invading thoughts of other people.
Oh wait that is what Appleinsider does to my attempts to memorize everything while in medical school.
If those two choices accurately described the state of things, the choice would be easy.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it sounds to me like you would prefer to buy software from a trusted source, like Best Buy or the Amazon Appstore for Android or Apple's iOS store. I think that makes sense for most people.
Best Buy and Amazon may be trusted by proxy if the software publisher is trusted, but they don't test any of the applications, they just resell them. Apple, on the other hand, actually does some enforcement. If the software publisher is trustworthy they will be on the AppStore anyway.
The worlds most popular mobile platform... I doubt its via obscurity.
Here's an interesting tidbit, offered for developers when making business plans.
"Apple receives far more publicity than any other mobile-phone manufacturer, but on the world stage it is still a pretty small player (though fast-growing). Before media hype lulls you into focusing your marketing/development budget on the Apple platform exclusively, consider this: 96.5 percent of mobile users don’t have one – mostly they use Nokia or Samsung; and even among smartphone users 84 percent don’t have an Apple."
yeah, but it has an obscurity field for it ... now that Nokia is doomed!!!!
That guy always tries to be pedantic and always fails. I can't imagine how low one's level of critical thinking must be to see the iOS referred to as the most popular mobile OS to read that to mean the most widely distributed.
Series 40 = Most widely used mobile OS.
iOS (or maybe even Android) = Most popular mobile OS(es).
pop•u•lar |ˈpɑpjələr|
adjective
1 liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group: she was one of the most popular girls in the school | these cheeses are very popular in Europe.
2 [ attrib. ] (of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals: the popular press.
• (of a belief or attitude) held by the majority of the general public: many adult cats, contrary to popular opinion, dislike milk.
3 [ attrib. ] (of political activity) of or carried on by the people as a whole rather than restricted to politicians or political parties: a popular revolt against colonial rule.
and even among smartphone users 84 percent don’t have an Apple.
I wonder what percent of those non-iOS device users actually download any apps. I would guess a very large percentage use only the built in apps and never even visit an appstore. Apple users tend to buy more apps and use more data than all the other platforms because it is enjoyable and easy to use for many purposes. The Android users I know only use the built in features. Sure the geeky Android users download apps, but they are a very small minority and also tend to use mostly free apps, so developers are more profitable on iOS even if they do support Android as well.
"As OS X grows in popularity, it'll get more viruses. You'll see."
Well. Here's a stepping stone. Apple has a huge portion of the smartphone market and 90% of the tablet market. Where's the malware for that? That's OS X. So what's the deal here?
I wonder what percent of those non-iOS device users actually download any apps. I would guess a very large percentage use only the built in apps and never even visit an appstore. Apple users tend to buy more apps and use more data than all the other platforms because it is enjoyable and easy to use for many purposes. The Android users I know only use the built in features. Sure the geeky Android users download apps, but they are a very small minority and also tend to use mostly free apps, so developers are more profitable on iOS even if they do support Android as well.
last year the average iPhone user had downloaded 40 apps, while those with Android averaged 25.
Approx. 7 months later (April this year), the Apple users had averaged 48, but Android users picked up the pace significantly percentage-wise, jumping to an average of 35 apps per user.
You should keep in mind too that yet another study found that 1 in 4 apps downloaded by Apple users were never used again after the download. As for using more data, Apple users are the biggest game-players, spending nearly 15 hours a month on their iDevices chewing up game-play, almost twice as much as Android users (who spend twice as much time on game-play as feature-phone owners). That may be the biggest chunk of that data use.
yet another thing to note when making comparison's of free vs. paid apps. Many of the most popular paid apps on iOS are free to Android users. It's easy to understand why Apple users tend to have a higher percentage of paid apps. Of course Apple's app prices are steadily coming down while the average price for a paid app on Android is going up, good news for developers I would think.
That guy always tries to be pedantic and always fails. I can't imagine how low one's level of critical thinking must be to see the iOS referred to as the most popular mobile OS to read that to mean the most widely distributed.
Series 40 = Most widely used mobile OS.
iOS (or maybe even Android) = Most popular mobile OS(es).
pop?u?lar |ˈpɑpjələr|
adjective
1 liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group: she was one of the most popular girls in the school | these cheeses are very popular in Europe.
2 [ attrib. ] (of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals: the popular press.
? (of a belief or attitude) held by the majority of the general public: many adult cats, contrary to popular opinion, dislike milk.
3 [ attrib. ] (of political activity) of or carried on by the people as a whole rather than restricted to politicians or political parties: a popular revolt against colonial rule.
Again, you constantly abuse me, even though you have constantly promised to ignore me. Why won't you ignore me? Is it because you like to report me when I prove you wrong, which you constantly are?
Now, I don't need to remind you where the little red exclamation mark, as you are constantly clicking it every time someone challenges you.
Look at option two, the very definition that makes Series 40 the worlds most popular mobile platform.
Now, off you go, click on the the report button, I know you want to...
Approx. 7 months later (April this year), the Apple users had averaged 48, but Android users picked up the pace significantly percentage-wise, jumping to an average of 35 apps per user.
Thanks for providing your reference links. I am kind of skeptical of the numbers though. I did not go digging for the actual survey stats but I think they are talking about the US only and the initial article did not mention the survey size or whether the types of users were equivalent. Was it equal numbers of iPhones and Android users? Was it Androids of similar price points to iPhones, etc?
Clearly high end Android users are as likely to buy apps as iPhone users but what about the models of Android devices that are only marginally advanced over old feature phones. I just can't see those super cheap users downloading any where near 35 apps. The numbers seem inflated when considering all Android phones. Also the worldwide numbers might present a much larger discrepancy between the two platforms as well.
So iOS is most certainly very, very secure. But in exchange, you couldn't, for example, use the volume rocker to take pictures in Photo + (or whatever). Or have your apps in folders at first, or a bunch of other things. You still can't for example, repurpose a portion of your storage on the device as mass storage for carrying around random data.
To call a spade a spade, as you seem to prefer to do, would be to keep both sides of the equation in mind, and to choose whichever you prefer.
Both sides? Where's your mention that a large number of Android phones sold in 2011 will be unable to update to the newest Android OS?
As you reference, even the 1st 2 items listed by you have now appeared in iOS updates available to all iPhones released in the past 2 years.
So, I will 'call a spade a spade':
iOS has an App Store that allows Apple to review (or censor) whichever apps they wish. In return, they deliver a more stable, more secure, and better liked (per cust sat scores) OS for which they deliver consistent updates that are available to any phone still under its initial contract.
Android offers a more customizable OS and less regulated AppStore (or whatever their name is). In return, you can get features not available in iOS or Apple's App Store. You also get an operating system that usually leaves phones obsolete and unable to update after a year or less and is less well liked than iOS.
Question: After 1 year, is iOS or Android more 'open'? iOS may censor apps, but Android cannot deliver an up-to-date OS.
In conclusion, I think that ConradJoe makes some very good points in favor of the Android platform. But, I also find your posts to be insulting and more than a little condescending at times. You state that whatever one may choose is 'fine', but 2 pages ago you were stating that 'experienced, intelligent, and professional' people choose Android, but that iOS is fine for 'amateurs'. For all the reasonableness of your arguments, insinuating that I am inexperienced, unintelligent, and amateurish for purchasing and liking my iPhone is downright insulting and contrary to the attitude that you seem to project otherwise (namely that everyone can choose for themselves and that's fine). Please don't undercut your well-reasoned arguments with statements that question the intelligence of iOS users.
Both sides? Where's your mention that a large number of Android phones sold in 2011 will be unable to update to the newest Android OS?
As you reference, even the 1st 2 items listed by you have now appeared in iOS updates available to all iPhones released in the past 2 years.
So, I will 'call a spade a spade':
iOS has an App Store that allows Apple to review (or censor) whichever apps they wish. In return, they deliver a more stable, more secure, and better liked (per cust sat scores) OS for which they deliver consistent updates that are available to any phone still under its initial contract.
Android offers a more customizable OS and less regulated AppStore (or whatever their name is). In return, you can get features not available in iOS or Apple's App Store. You also get an operating system that usually leaves phones obsolete and unable to update after a year or less and is less well liked than iOS.
Question: After 1 year, is iOS or Android more 'open'? iOS may censor apps, but Android cannot deliver an up-to-date OS.
In conclusion, I think that ConradJoe makes some very good points in favor of the Android platform. But, I also find your posts to be insulting and more than a little condescending at times. You state that whatever one may choose is 'fine', but 2 pages ago you were stating that 'experienced, intelligent, and professional' people choose Android, but that iOS is fine for 'amateurs'. For all the reasonableness of your arguments, insinuating that I am inexperienced, unintelligent, and amateurish for purchasing and liking my iPhone is downright insulting and contrary to the attitude that you seem to project otherwise (namely that everyone can choose for themselves and that's fine). Please don't undercut your well-reasoned arguments with statements that question the intelligence of iOS users.
If he offended you imagine being us and reading a much cosigned Apple ][ post.
Comments
But it is only half the story. In exchange for getting only vetted software, you give up the ability to install other capable software that the device manufacturer does not approve of.
Some prefer to live with reasonable restrictions that protect their general welfare rather than to live with complete lawlessness. Neither choice offers total freedom.
Personally, I prefer living in a society where the authorities protect the citizens rather than a place where I have to be on vigil to defend myself from constant threat of attack.
As you say, select which ever you prefer.
Lifestyle marketing may be a tried and true hook and Apple clearly knows how to take advantage of that approach, but the flaw in your logic is assuming that's all there is to it.
...
Computers and mobile devices like music players and phones and tablets are tied in to your lifestyle and trying to criticize them on that basis is missing the forest for the trees.
I never criticized Apple products on the basis that they are tied into your lifestyle. I never assumed that all there is to it is Apple's choice of marketing approach.
Instead, I said that Apple chose their approach well. And that Apple does a good job using its chosen approach.
The fact that certain products are, indeed, tied to your lifestyle is a good reason why such an approach makes oodles of sense for a company like Apple or Pepsico. The products made by such companies are in consumer areas where you can convince people to become a Pepper.
Likely it wouldn't work with many other types of products.
The Malware doesn't just show up on your phone. You have to find an app, install an app, ignore the permissions, confirm you want to install the app and then install the app, and in most cases (if not all) open the app.
It's not like your phone is a frail person and the malware is a gang of angry youths intent on ruining your day.
Not for the ones that root the phone and never ask for permissions. These exist in the Android Market. Sounds like you might be an easy target.
Some prefer to live with reasonable restrictions that protect their general welfare rather than to live with complete lawlessness. Neither choice offers total freedom.
Personally, I prefer living in a society where the authorities protect the citizens rather than a place where I have to be on vigil to defend myself from constant threat of attack.
As you say, select which ever you prefer.
If those two choices accurately described the state of things, the choice would be easy.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it sounds to me like you would prefer to buy software from a trusted source, like Best Buy or the Amazon Appstore for Android or Apple's iOS store. I think that makes sense for most people.
Other people do that and also find cool stuff elsewhere to install. You are unable to do that using iOS, but you don't mind.
That's fine.
... RDF techniques never work in writing...People can sit and think about stuff when it is in writing, so they are not flummoxed so easily.
That is exactly why I wrote what I wrote
When telepathy becomes common we will only have death to limit the RDF since writing will be overwritten after it is read by the invading thoughts of other people.
Oh wait that is what Appleinsider does to my attempts to memorize everything while in medical school.
The worlds most popular mobile platform... I doubt its via obscurity.
The worlds most popular mobile platform would be Nokia's series 40
The worlds most popular mobile platform would be Nokia's series 40
yeah, but it has an obscurity field for it ... now that Nokia is doomed!!!!
If those two choices accurately described the state of things, the choice would be easy.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it sounds to me like you would prefer to buy software from a trusted source, like Best Buy or the Amazon Appstore for Android or Apple's iOS store. I think that makes sense for most people.
Best Buy and Amazon may be trusted by proxy if the software publisher is trusted, but they don't test any of the applications, they just resell them. Apple, on the other hand, actually does some enforcement. If the software publisher is trustworthy they will be on the AppStore anyway.
The worlds most popular mobile platform... I doubt its via obscurity.
Here's an interesting tidbit, offered for developers when making business plans.
"Apple receives far more publicity than any other mobile-phone manufacturer, but on the world stage it is still a pretty small player (though fast-growing). Before media hype lulls you into focusing your marketing/development budget on the Apple platform exclusively, consider this: 96.5 percent of mobile users don’t have one – mostly they use Nokia or Samsung; and even among smartphone users 84 percent don’t have an Apple."
yeah, but it has an obscurity field for it ... now that Nokia is doomed!!!!
That guy always tries to be pedantic and always fails. I can't imagine how low one's level of critical thinking must be to see the iOS referred to as the most popular mobile OS to read that to mean the most widely distributed.
Series 40 = Most widely used mobile OS.
iOS (or maybe even Android) = Most popular mobile OS(es).
and even among smartphone users 84 percent don’t have an Apple.
I wonder what percent of those non-iOS device users actually download any apps. I would guess a very large percentage use only the built in apps and never even visit an appstore. Apple users tend to buy more apps and use more data than all the other platforms because it is enjoyable and easy to use for many purposes. The Android users I know only use the built in features. Sure the geeky Android users download apps, but they are a very small minority and also tend to use mostly free apps, so developers are more profitable on iOS even if they do support Android as well.
I simply asked him how I could be an idiot for not having something that doesn't exist. He still doesn't talk to me, it has been the best two weeks.
Well. Here's a stepping stone. Apple has a huge portion of the smartphone market and 90% of the tablet market. Where's the malware for that? That's OS X. So what's the deal here?
I wonder what percent of those non-iOS device users actually download any apps. I would guess a very large percentage use only the built in apps and never even visit an appstore. Apple users tend to buy more apps and use more data than all the other platforms because it is enjoyable and easy to use for many purposes. The Android users I know only use the built in features. Sure the geeky Android users download apps, but they are a very small minority and also tend to use mostly free apps, so developers are more profitable on iOS even if they do support Android as well.
last year the average iPhone user had downloaded 40 apps, while those with Android averaged 25.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/10...blackberry-14/
Approx. 7 months later (April this year), the Apple users had averaged 48, but Android users picked up the pace significantly percentage-wise, jumping to an average of 35 apps per user.
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...pp-downloaders
You should keep in mind too that yet another study found that 1 in 4 apps downloaded by Apple users were never used again after the download. As for using more data, Apple users are the biggest game-players, spending nearly 15 hours a month on their iDevices chewing up game-play, almost twice as much as Android users (who spend twice as much time on game-play as feature-phone owners). That may be the biggest chunk of that data use.
yet another thing to note when making comparison's of free vs. paid apps. Many of the most popular paid apps on iOS are free to Android users. It's easy to understand why Apple users tend to have a higher percentage of paid apps. Of course Apple's app prices are steadily coming down while the average price for a paid app on Android is going up, good news for developers I would think.
Not for the ones that root the phone and never ask for permissions. These exist in the Android Market. Sounds like you might be an easy target.
Except those don't exist.
I guess I should also watch out for the boogieman?
That guy always tries to be pedantic and always fails. I can't imagine how low one's level of critical thinking must be to see the iOS referred to as the most popular mobile OS to read that to mean the most widely distributed.
Series 40 = Most widely used mobile OS.
iOS (or maybe even Android) = Most popular mobile OS(es).
pop?u?lar |ˈpɑpjələr|
adjective
1 liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group: she was one of the most popular girls in the school | these cheeses are very popular in Europe.
2 [ attrib. ] (of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals: the popular press.
? (of a belief or attitude) held by the majority of the general public: many adult cats, contrary to popular opinion, dislike milk.
3 [ attrib. ] (of political activity) of or carried on by the people as a whole rather than restricted to politicians or political parties: a popular revolt against colonial rule.
Again, you constantly abuse me, even though you have constantly promised to ignore me. Why won't you ignore me? Is it because you like to report me when I prove you wrong, which you constantly are?
Now, I don't need to remind you where the little red exclamation mark, as you are constantly clicking it every time someone challenges you.
Look at option two, the very definition that makes Series 40 the worlds most popular mobile platform.
Now, off you go, click on the the report button, I know you want to...
Approx. 7 months later (April this year), the Apple users had averaged 48, but Android users picked up the pace significantly percentage-wise, jumping to an average of 35 apps per user.
Thanks for providing your reference links. I am kind of skeptical of the numbers though. I did not go digging for the actual survey stats but I think they are talking about the US only and the initial article did not mention the survey size or whether the types of users were equivalent. Was it equal numbers of iPhones and Android users? Was it Androids of similar price points to iPhones, etc?
Clearly high end Android users are as likely to buy apps as iPhone users but what about the models of Android devices that are only marginally advanced over old feature phones. I just can't see those super cheap users downloading any where near 35 apps. The numbers seem inflated when considering all Android phones. Also the worldwide numbers might present a much larger discrepancy between the two platforms as well.
So iOS is most certainly very, very secure. But in exchange, you couldn't, for example, use the volume rocker to take pictures in Photo + (or whatever). Or have your apps in folders at first, or a bunch of other things. You still can't for example, repurpose a portion of your storage on the device as mass storage for carrying around random data.
To call a spade a spade, as you seem to prefer to do, would be to keep both sides of the equation in mind, and to choose whichever you prefer.
Both sides? Where's your mention that a large number of Android phones sold in 2011 will be unable to update to the newest Android OS?
As you reference, even the 1st 2 items listed by you have now appeared in iOS updates available to all iPhones released in the past 2 years.
So, I will 'call a spade a spade':
iOS has an App Store that allows Apple to review (or censor) whichever apps they wish. In return, they deliver a more stable, more secure, and better liked (per cust sat scores) OS for which they deliver consistent updates that are available to any phone still under its initial contract.
Android offers a more customizable OS and less regulated AppStore (or whatever their name is). In return, you can get features not available in iOS or Apple's App Store. You also get an operating system that usually leaves phones obsolete and unable to update after a year or less and is less well liked than iOS.
Question: After 1 year, is iOS or Android more 'open'? iOS may censor apps, but Android cannot deliver an up-to-date OS.
In conclusion, I think that ConradJoe makes some very good points in favor of the Android platform. But, I also find your posts to be insulting and more than a little condescending at times. You state that whatever one may choose is 'fine', but 2 pages ago you were stating that 'experienced, intelligent, and professional' people choose Android, but that iOS is fine for 'amateurs'. For all the reasonableness of your arguments, insinuating that I am inexperienced, unintelligent, and amateurish for purchasing and liking my iPhone is downright insulting and contrary to the attitude that you seem to project otherwise (namely that everyone can choose for themselves and that's fine). Please don't undercut your well-reasoned arguments with statements that question the intelligence of iOS users.
Most smartphone owners don't own iPhones, which suggests it's not that important to most people.
Newest Android ad campaign:
'Security: It's not that important.'
Both sides? Where's your mention that a large number of Android phones sold in 2011 will be unable to update to the newest Android OS?
As you reference, even the 1st 2 items listed by you have now appeared in iOS updates available to all iPhones released in the past 2 years.
So, I will 'call a spade a spade':
iOS has an App Store that allows Apple to review (or censor) whichever apps they wish. In return, they deliver a more stable, more secure, and better liked (per cust sat scores) OS for which they deliver consistent updates that are available to any phone still under its initial contract.
Android offers a more customizable OS and less regulated AppStore (or whatever their name is). In return, you can get features not available in iOS or Apple's App Store. You also get an operating system that usually leaves phones obsolete and unable to update after a year or less and is less well liked than iOS.
Question: After 1 year, is iOS or Android more 'open'? iOS may censor apps, but Android cannot deliver an up-to-date OS.
In conclusion, I think that ConradJoe makes some very good points in favor of the Android platform. But, I also find your posts to be insulting and more than a little condescending at times. You state that whatever one may choose is 'fine', but 2 pages ago you were stating that 'experienced, intelligent, and professional' people choose Android, but that iOS is fine for 'amateurs'. For all the reasonableness of your arguments, insinuating that I am inexperienced, unintelligent, and amateurish for purchasing and liking my iPhone is downright insulting and contrary to the attitude that you seem to project otherwise (namely that everyone can choose for themselves and that's fine). Please don't undercut your well-reasoned arguments with statements that question the intelligence of iOS users.
If he offended you imagine being us and reading a much cosigned Apple ][ post.