Galaxy Nexus web benchmarks outpace iPhone 4S as 'Woz' picks up early copy

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  • Reply 61 of 135
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Yet significantly faster on OpenGL than the iPhone4. Is that Apple phone doggy on games? I haven't seen owners complain, so I don't think the Nexus should have any issues with them either.



    As for it being the Android flagship phone, that's not what it is designed to be, nor the intent of the phone. It's simply a reference device for the new OS, Ice Cream Sandwich. Motorola, Samsung and HTC already have phones being finalized using ICS that they'll consider their "flagships". The Nexus isn't one of them, thus the lack of cutting-edge hardware.



    Uh, you do know apple now has the 4s, which blows everyone else out of the water on 3D performance.



    Not shocked to find a java based phone besting the iPhone in web tests, kudos to them for having that leg to stand on. If that is the entirety of your decision on what phone to buy then have fun, personally I don't spend that much time surfing the web through a tiny screen.
  • Reply 62 of 135
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,857member
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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


    To win the benchmark wars. Every 3 weeks, some new Android product is better/faster/sexier/geekier than the one you bought. If you don't upgrade, you'll be laughed at by the other geeks.



    Exactly and in the end for those of us who really dont care if there are some faster gadget out the it's about the Eco system, security and the wonderful tie in with Mac, ATV, iPad and iPods and now iCloud. Siri isn't bad either



    Another funny. Siri story ... My wife, Jan, is addressed as Jan by Siri correctly. Yesterday though, Siri, doing one of her funny / serious joke replies said ,"Oh January you shouldn't ask me that!." This cracked us both up. Lol
  • Reply 63 of 135
    conradjoeconradjoe Posts: 1,887member
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    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post


    You do realize he is still one of the most recognized faces in the information technology sector. In fact, we have a street in San Jose named for Woz.



    Wozniak co-founded Wheels of Zeus, a wireless GPS technology company (now defunct)

    Board of Directors of Ripcord Networks, Inc.

    Board of Directors of Danger, Inc.

    Wozniak founded Acquicor Technology, a holding company for technology companies

    Wozniak is currently the chief scientist for Fusion-io



    Recently, Wozniak delivered the keynote presentation at IP EXPO at Earls Court Exhibition Centre in London as well as the keynote at "Rutgers Entrepreneurship Day" at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey.





    No wonder he needs 10 phones!
  • Reply 64 of 135
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    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post


    In all fairness to Galaxy Nexus, Google smartphones aren't designed for (near) console-quality gaming. Apparently, Google App Market doesn't offer any games rivaling Call of Duty, Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, Infinity Blade, Real Racing 2 or any of the other high quality games on the iTunes App Store.



    In fact, as far as I can discern from Android proponents, Android is primarily designed for "customization" and "connectivity." Beyond occasionally reading email, I don't see Android users actually using their smartphones. I have heard a few say that customization is outstanding but they became bored with that quickly and many wanted a real smartphone soon after. I find it interesting that anyone needs to connect their Android smartphone to anything with HDMI or USB considering they don't have anything on the smartphone to share with few exceptions. Of course, while they are fumbling with wires, I just connect wirelessly like others living in 2011.



    These results are quite intriguing since the primary benefit (to the community) of open source software, which Google claims Android to be, is software quality. Given the issues with Android, the software may well be better off not being "open source." I fail to understand how "open source" software on hardware with 200% the RAM and 150% of the clock speed but marginally better performance can be considered "quality."



    I don't speak for all android users. But I don't play games on my phone for a reason. It sucks. If I want to play games on a mobile device I use my PSP. I don't want to play games on a device with no buttons. Its not really that good. You rave about graphics but you have to know their is more to games then just graphics. Controls being a huge part. Playing on a touch screen device means you are covering up the screen as you play, you have to deal with weird touch screen controls. I use a PSP right now if I want to play games on the go. I can play more games then I can on my phone. (mostly PS1 classics) But the difference between my phone and my PSP is night and day. Yeah I know some phones have better specs but in gaming you need controls just as much if not more then you need graphics. AND I will have a Play Station Vita launch day
  • Reply 65 of 135
    conradjoeconradjoe Posts: 1,887member
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    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    The Android camp keeps throwing everything they've got at the 4S and they still can't bump it off its perch. Hell, they can't even bump the 4 off its perch.



    So, what's going to happen in 2012 when the totally redesigned v6 iPhone goes on sale and the 4S and 4 get bumped down into the $99 and $49 (or less) price points. I'll guarantee an average of 30 million iPhones per quarter over 4 quarters for Apple while Samsung hits a wall.



    So keep throwing those specs out there guys... it won't mean a damn thing a year from now. Actually, anyone with any sense can see it doesn't mean a damn thing now.





    The i5 is going to be great. So will the iPad3. And the new Notebooks.



    Just wait. Just wait! We'll get 'em! He who laughs last laughs best!
  • Reply 66 of 135
    s4mb4s4mb4 Posts: 267member
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    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    If we get more "nexus" like android device then Apple will really need to come up with something amazing for their next phone. This is really starting to look good. I think for now I will go with a Galaxy Nexus and maybe next year depending on how the T-Mobile+AT&T merger ends I will go to the iPhone. (I have conflicting interest in both companies , )



    considering that Verizon is going to actually sell this thing is a very good indicator that it may very well be starting to happen.



    these carriers should be very interested in devices that they do not have to manage. I think the tide is starting to turn.



    along time ago, i had a N1 that worked on AT&T and it was without a doubt the nicest android device i ever used. they can only get better.
  • Reply 67 of 135
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,678member
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    Originally Posted by hezetation View Post


    Uh, you do know apple now has the 4s, which blows everyone else out of the water on 3D performance.



    Of course. Are iPhone 4 owners complaining about 3D performance? I think not, and even this Nexus reference phone is performing three times better than the 4 on a GPU test (FWIW)



    To repeat, the Nexus was not designed to be nor is it going to be the king of Android performance. They intentionally designed it with common hardware, letting the software take center stage. As Apple buffs often say, who cares about the specs, it's the total experience that counts. There's not many complaints so far about the big leap Google has taken with Android 4.x, and the "total experience" has been overwhelmingly positive in nearly every review.



    'nuff said.
  • Reply 68 of 135
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    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    I don't speak for all android users. But I don't play games on my phone for a reason. It sucks. If I want to play games on a mobile device I use my PSP. I don't want to play games on a device with no buttons. Its not really that good. You rave about graphics but you have to know their is more to games then just graphics. Controls being a huge part. Playing on a touch screen device means you are covering up the screen as you play, you have to deal with weird touch screen controls. I use a PSP right now if I want to play games on the go. I can play more games then I can on my phone. (mostly PS1 classics) But the difference between my phone and my PSP is night and day. Yeah I know some phones have better specs but in gaming you need controls just as much if not more then you need graphics. AND I will have a Play Station Vita launch day



    Bullshit. Gaming using touchscreen controls sucks on Android simply becaus Android isn't as responsive. How can you explain the popularity of gaming on iOS according to your theory?
  • Reply 69 of 135
    conradjoeconradjoe Posts: 1,887member
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    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post


    Android isn't a mobile OS for the masses



    It would seem that the masses disagree with you.



    Indeed, as time goes by, more and more people choose Android over iOS. Increasing proportions - more and more - people look at an iPhone, and decide that they would rather get an Android phone.



    There are many factors that go into their decision. Increasingly, they see their friends Android phones, like them, and decide to get one. Increasingly, they compare the screens, and despite the iPhone's specs, they choose the big screen over the small one. Increasingly, they consider the advantages of 4G, hear that the iPhone is incapable, and choose Android.



    But what of the home interoperability? What about hooking up a Mac with content and AirDrive and Time Capsules and online cloud storage and listening to Lady Gaga no matter where you are on the face of the earth? Very very few people own any Apple anything, except maybe an old iPhone, or maybe an Ipad or the iPod that lies broken in a drawer.



    The number of integrated Apple homes is vanishingly small because so few people own Macs. Without a Mac, Android is King. And almost nobody owns a Mac.
  • Reply 70 of 135
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,678member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Bullshit. Gaming using touchscreen controls sucks on Android simply becaus Android isn't as responsive. How can you explain the popularity of gaming on iOS according to your theory?



    . . . HASN"T been as responsive. Too early to say for certain, but nearly every reviewer so far agrees that ICS isn't laggy at all, very responsive. Some go so far as to put it on equal footing with iOS5.
  • Reply 71 of 135
    I know the press have to have something to write about (and thus justify their existence) but I am finding this "mine is faster than yours" stuff becoming more and more tiresome. For me (donning flame proof underwear) as long as the devices does what I ask of it, in a reasonable timeframe, then what is there to be unhappy about ? I had a Nexus One but the whole Android/Google experience was not for me. I had no complaints about the hardware/software mix, it just was not what I wanted. iOS and my now oh so out of date iPhone 4 tick all the right boxes and I care not about speed or number of processor cores. Its all about the user experience for me.
  • Reply 72 of 135
    conradjoeconradjoe Posts: 1,887member
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    Originally Posted by Maecvs View Post


    Woz may be getting one for research purposes. Know your enemy. Do a little reverse engineering to see how it ticks.



    Is Woz an enemy of Google? Or is Woz an enemy of Samsung?



    Maybe both? Is he really still on our side? Maybe he's a double-agent or a secret spy?



    Who else is Woz's enemy? Does he need better security?



    If Google is his enemy, he's better watch out, because all his Android stuff constantly tells Google Woz's every move with all of the spyware. Android is spyware. And Google is Pure Evil. They are capable of just about anything.



    Is Woz in danger?
  • Reply 73 of 135
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    Originally Posted by atchijov View Post


    Friend of mine have one of those. Nice phone, unfortunately you pay the price for faster CPU and slimmer (and noticeably lighter) design. In this case, price is battery life. Unless you spend the whole day close to charging port, you may not be too happy with this phone.



    Haha, like the 4S should have good battery life. I have one 4S myself and battery life sucks!
  • Reply 74 of 135
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Bullshit. Gaming using touchscreen controls sucks on Android simply becaus Android isn't as responsive. How can you explain the popularity of gaming on iOS according to your theory?



    Android in itself is not less responsive. However hardware quality and specs differ a lot. Especially if you look back 1,5 year at HTC desire for example. But even new low end Android phones have same digitizer values as iPhone.
  • Reply 75 of 135
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    Originally Posted by bstring View Post


    If I'm reading this right, this story is unbiased. Cheers AI!!!



    Their famed proof reading team are just confussed on what the facts were saying
  • Reply 76 of 135
    I find many of the comments here confusing. On one hand, we generally agree that specs and microbenchmarks don't matter to a typical consumer, regardless of platform. On the other hand, some commenters want to say that Android sucks b/c it doesn't perform better on microbenchmarks. Which is it, folks -- do benchmarks matter, or don't they?



    As for the browser benchmarks, there are some obvious improvements Google could make. I looked at the Android 4.0.1 source. They're using v8 version 3.2.10, from October 20, 2011 - http://code.google.com/p/v8/source/detail?r=9719. For comparison, the current stable version of Chrome (15.0.874.121) uses v8 version 3.5.10.24 (http://googlechromereleases.blogspot...update_16.html), which has several performance improvements. Further, Android 4.0.1 isn't yet using the NEON-optimized support libraries, such as libjpeg-turbo (http://libjpeg-turbo.virtualgl.org/). These are obvious areas for future improvements.



    It's not surprising (and, hence, uninteresting) that the Galaxy Nexus is slower than the iPhone 4S for OpenGL -- the OMAP 4460 has an older, slower GPU than the A5. We knew this before the phone shipped. This benchmark from Anandtech wasn't looking at the entire phone. It wasn't trying to claim that one phone is better than another. It was a preliminary benchmark; a teaser before they put out a much more detailed review in a few weeks.



    If you want reviews of the Galaxy Nexus, there are several to choose from. As a whole, they are positive:



    T3: "the Nexus is a beautiful handset. The screen is vibrant and one of the best we?ve seen on any handset to date. With the addition of Ice Cream Sandwich, which marries great performance and slick features to the already an already potent operating system, it?s one of the best smartphones available at present." - http://www.t3.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-nexus-review



    The Verge: "The Galaxy Nexus is the best Android phone ever made. It's one of the best smartphones ever made, and with a couple of minor tweaks (particularly to the camera), it could be the best smartphone ever produced." - http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2...y-nexus-review



    Engadget: "the Galaxy Nexus is shaping up to be an impressive flagship phone and Android 4.0 is a significant step forward for Google." - http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/17/g...essions-video/



    Certainly, you can find criticisms in these reviews. No one is claiming that the Galaxy Nexus is perfect. But the early reviews are pretty conclusive -- it's a very nice phone.
  • Reply 77 of 135
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    Originally Posted by serializer View Post


    Haha, like the 4S should have good battery life. I have one 4S myself and battery life sucks!



    In all fairness, Apple had acknowledged that there is a bug affecting battery life for some 4S users and have released one update that has helped a number of people and are rumored to be readying a second one soon. This is different to sacrificing battery life to bump processor speed.
  • Reply 78 of 135
    x38x38 Posts: 97member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Yet significantly faster on OpenGL than the iPhone4. Is that Apple phone doggy on games? I haven't seen owners complain, so I don't think the Nexus should have any issues with them either.



    As for it being the Android flagship phone, that's not what it is designed to be, nor the intent of the phone. It's simply a reference device for the new OS, Ice Cream Sandwich. Motorola, Samsung and HTC already have phones being finalized using ICS that they'll consider their "flagships". The Nexus isn't one of them, thus the lack of cutting-edge hardware.



    So essentially you're saying next year's Android is as fast as or faster than last year's iPhone? True, but hardly justifys the headline.
  • Reply 79 of 135
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,678member
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    Originally Posted by X38 View Post


    So essentially you're saying next year's Android is as fast as or faster than last year's iPhone? True, but hardly justifys the headline.



    I suppose it depends on what you use your phone for. Or perhaps not. The whole article is based on one buyer's speed tests. Really has little to do with how the device actually performs for the owner does it, or do specs suddenly matter more to Apple fans?
  • Reply 80 of 135
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    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post


    In all fairness to Galaxy Nexus, Google smartphones aren't designed for (near) console-quality gaming. Apparently, Google App Market doesn't offer any games rivaling Call of Duty, Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, Infinity Blade, Real Racing 2 or any of the other high quality games on the iTunes App Store.



    Galaxy on Fire 2 THD is available for Android - https://market.android.com/details?i...laxyonFire2THD



    Here are some videos showing games on the Galaxy Nexus. Performance seems fine - there is no stuttering or lag.



    9mm HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ijUWEg1VFM



    Asphalt 6 Adrenaline HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpvrcSFaKZk



    Need for Speed Shift HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvFKScKrKIA



    Samurai II Vengeance HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfL9Pf5-s8I



    Shadowgun HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YRYMh3ShzA
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