Hey Murbot, i know you canadians are crazy about hockey....
or ice fighting as it is called down here in the states, but what do you make of this? <a href="http://espn.go.com/minorlh/news/2002/1107/1457437.html" target="_blank">crazy canadian daddy?</a>
is this normal? was the kid robbed?? nice to see that the legal system up north is as wacky as down here....g
is this normal? was the kid robbed?? nice to see that the legal system up north is as wacky as down here....g
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I guess he doesn't understand the concept of MVP, scoring plays a roll, but it doesn't guarantee an MVP award.
All awards are subjective and not directly linked on numbers : does the movie that have the greatest numbers of spectators has automatically the Oscar for the best film , i don't think so.
Saying that his son is so angry about the decison that he did not want to play is an another joke. If it's the truth, this boy will never be a champion.
good point....a champion would see that as a challenge to do better and prove the judges wrong....it would make him stronger, not dispondent......and yes, luckily there is no violence involved.....yet <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> ....g
The guy is out of his ****ing mind. I thought these ridiculous lawsuits were an American thing!
I can see where a few people might wonder why he didn't win, but scoring is absolutely not the only way to determine something like this. Maybe that other kid scored his 60 points on a shitty team and led them to their best ever finish? I don't know the details, but come on... scoring isn't everything.
This guy needs a little "hockey dad justice". heh heh (I hope he gets his ass kicked in the stands next year)
it was for me in high school...but then i wasn't on a hockey team, and i ain't talkin' sports... g
This kind of bullshit (parents living vicariously through their kids' athletic accomplishments) has its root firmly in the good ole US of A, I'm afraid. We were pros at it long before this guy came along.
That said, he's a total knob. His son is obviously growing up to be a knob also, although we have no idea how this kid's Dad influences him. He may tell the kid to "say what I tell you or else" when the cameras and microphones aren't around.
Oh, and "Ice fighting"? That's a new one to me, Gelding. You been watching the NHL much this season? The refs have clamped down so hard there's almost not *enough* dropping of the gloves. Sometimes it's just warranted. I never understood that until I actually played the game competitively (even though it's just a house league). I had someone try to ram me into the crossbar while I was looking the other way. And another guy who tried to pull my skates over my ears. Sometimes guys just deserve a fat lip or bloody nose, that's all there is to it.
The funny thing about it is, a lot of times those same two guys who fling their gloves off and start whaling on each other will be drinking beer together after the game. Most people don't understand that. It's not so much a personal thing as just standing up for yourself and your mates during a heated contest. Rarely personal. We shake hands after every game - including the guys who deserve to be beaten....
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did you see the fight last night?? it went on over a minute...i was waiting for the freakin bell to ring and for the corner men to bring out little stools for them to sit on...but yes, there is less fighting, but still is the only sport outside of boxing were fighting is even allowed...in basketball, football, soccer, tennis (yeah, right, ha, tennis players fighting) you get thrown out, not five minutes in the box....baseball is a strange one to call...not much fighting, but almost always clears the dugouts when it does happen....the two who started the fight usually are thrown out, but the rest usually stay.....
still say the dad is a tool, but lots of dad in the usa are tools too....so far there is no law against having a dad who is a dick, maybe we can have ashcroft look into that....g
Gelding: Didn't see much last night. Too busy taping stupid shows for the little woman. I did catch the 3rd period of the Bruins-Wings game (or about half of it anyway). Were they swining for a minute+ or just wrestling each other / trying to get in a position to start swinging (which is usually what happens).
As for baseball players, they can't fight for shit. Always piling on, kicking, throwing helmets, etc. With hockey, it's like a duel. The two guys stand up toe to toe, drop their gloves in unison and have it out like men!
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I like Cherry, he makes me laugh. I think he's stuck in a time warp, but that's part of his charm. However, if the refs call all the grabbing and stickwork, you won't need fighting. Tough guys will have to be tough by lying down in front of 90mph slap shots, going into a corner to make the play knowing full well a BIG hit is coming, using the shoulder and the hip and going end to end, not hooking the other guy so you don't have to skate back quite so fast.
I'd like to see Lemieux break Gretzki's record, it be great. Just to put a stamp on it, "F-you, I'm so friggin scary good that I scored almost 200 points with cancer and a bad back, just in case anyone should doubt who really is the most skilled individual player to ever put on a pair of skates, here, and near retirement to boot, in the era of defence too!"
And here I thought you were a Canadian.
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The way I compare him and Wayne is that Wayne was the best there ever was at anticipating how a play would develop and making sure he always hit or was skating in the right place / seam. He wasn't the greatest shooter or skater or puck handler - he was good at all three. But he was *always* in the right spot at the right time. Always.
Mario on the other hand, has probably the greatest scoring touch and vision the game has ever seen. Combine that with his size and reach, and that's how he makes everyone look like they're from AAA and not the NHL.
His career ppg average has already gone back above 2.0/game I believe - far and away the highest in the history of the professional game. Morozov is pretty much riding his coat-tails, though he's certainly more dangerous than he was a couple years back.
I'll tell you something else: Kovalev has some of the most amazing stick-handling abilities I've ever seen. I just wish he would back-check a little harder. He's lazy / gets called for a lot of those "new" obstruction hooking calls in the NZ. To top it off, his wrist shot is absolutely the hardest I've ever seen. I can barely even follow the puck when he gets good mustard on it. The goalies are just left standing there, hoping it hits something other than twine.
Now that Straka is back, all they need is to pick up one or two decent defensemen at the deadline and they've got a shot at making the eastern Finals if they stay healthy. They have the kind of team that can score 3 goals in 3 minutes. They've already pulled a couple points out of hat when trailing with less than a minute to play. They don't panic, which is good.
Lemieux OTOH is the big strapping champion of a player, and he got A LOT of flack when he didn't always play like it. Lindros would have done better to play a bit more like Lemieux, and a bit less like a well, glass jawed goon. Oh well. When you see Lemieux coming down the ice it's like he's not even moving, he LOOKS like he's always going too slow. But then he takes two strides and stops or undresses the defencman, or, and his timing is sooo good, just waits and waits untill you think the angle can't possibly be open anymore and then he fires off a perfect pass. It really is scary when he doesn't even look like he's trying. With that big reach, and that touch, OMG, there isn't a more beautiful sight on ice.
Funny too, the mythologies that pop up around players. I wonder how true they are. In his heydey, when any two idiots on a line with 99 instantly doubled their output, people talked about Gretzky spending time learning the socks of all the teams, that he secretly practiced it so that it was just second nature to him. He didn't look around the ice to pass to you, he 'knew', where you were and where you were about to be, without lifting his eyes off the ice. I wonder if that one isn't true? And Lemieux is supposed to be silent on the ice -- you don't hear his skates and you don't hear his stick, he just kinda floats around like no big man has any right to do. Contrast Lindros, whose skates you can supposedly hear churning the ice from up in the good seats.
Anyhoo...
That fight last night was pretty amazing. They weren't all clean swings (meaning they hit each others shoulders and were slipping around), but they were swinging for that full minute or so. The coverage was really funny. They just did a little picture-in-picture action and watched it during play. Fighting really tires you out quickly, so going for that long is really tough.
I have to say that so far, with a ton of help from the new sissy rules, Lemieux has done a lot better than I thought he would. Of course, if it comes to the payoffs, he'd better watch out for Scott Stevens and these other bruiser defensemen come Cup time.
Lindros' problem is that he simply isn't the leader that everyone, for some unknown reason to me, thinks he is. Lemieux and Gretzky were both leaders in that of course very indescribable way. Lindros has none of that clout, through his demeanor, his accomplishments or his mouth. And that is why the Rangers are doomed to fail with this huge payroll. They're lucky they still have Messier because Bure and Lindros can never be leaders for them. Thing are only going to get worse when Messier finally hangs them up unless they get a real character player, not just one with lots of numbers.
Sorry, there are very few real hockey fans around me with whom I can talk about the games and stuff. I left all that in upstate NY a few years ago apparently. No wonder the Devils can't sell out their arena. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />