from a company that people say does nothing but copy?
could it be people maybe don't have a clue how much research Samsung does on a yearly basis?
wonder if one of those patents is for a rectangular TV with a clean uncluttered bezel, black border, and packaged in a big rectangular box. lol.
Obviously Samsung is great at basic sciences and manufacturing (which is extremely impressive). But the artistic design of iPhone and iOS has been totally copied and that's obvious.
Their user functionality (which is a giantic profit center for Apple) has also been copied. So, financially that is a big twinkie to fight over.
Obviously Samsung is great at basic sciences and manufacturing (which is extremely impressive). But the artistic design of iPhone and iOS has been totally copied and that's obvious.
Their user functionality (which is a giantic profit center for Apple) has also been copied. So, financially that is a big twinkie to fight over.
worst part about it...they don't even have to.
As many iOS and Android themers show, and even deviantart mockup artists show, it is entirely possible to create something beautiful without it being a copy of iOS.
Apple is not the be all end all...not even close...I like that Google and Microsofts tablet OSes do not resemble Apple's. I like how (Despite what people say) Android stock and WP7 do not look like iOS.
I don't get why Samsung thought the best direction to go, especially with the SGS as the SGS2 doesn't look as much like iOS as SGS did, was to completely ape Apple's UI and old designs.
You can be pro-capitalism and anti-software patents btw.
Software patents should require sourcecode as it is VERY possible to use 2 different codes to achieve the same exact function...function = copied...method =/= copied.
Or at the very least a significantly lesser term.
As long as something doesn't look 1:1 like something else nor function using the exact source code it should be allowed...if that's socialism then boy has the rest of the world been using the term wrong.
This idea isn't necessarily restricted to software. Let's say we have two rechargeable batteries that look the same and output the same voltage and current. They could be using completely different chemicals to generate the energy. Do we allow a patent for "cylindrical rechargeable batteries" or for "cylindrical rechargeable batteries using a Nickel Cadmium chemical reaction". There a fine line between function and implementation that needs to be clearly defined and up held.
That is the basic idea behind most people I know who call for patent reform. No politics involved.
The fact that Samsung has 8 times the number of patents as Apple, while "allegedly" infringing with many of it's products, shows that it must be quite easy to be granted a patent.
I don't claim to know how to fix it, but I do know it's broken.
My feelings are that Apple will dump a lot of the Patents used in the current crop of smartphones into that Patent Dump.
To show everyone that they are willing to share, and stop going thru the courts. BUT,
everything new coming up with their new stuff this year will be of limits to all.
Apple has shown that they are different than every other computer, phone & other category coming up.
Think about it. Its up to Google and Samsung now to keep up with Apple now.
Apple has their plans all set up for some really spectacular things. And they probably have release dates for a 1) complete Siri implementation in several different items.
2) they have plans to put to full use all these powerful chips coming out soon, (you think Google and Samsung know how. I don't)
3) Microsoft and Google have had a few years to put their version of smart anything in cars. That is probably Apple's next conquest after they take over the T. V. and entertainment center.
4) Ive has had a couple of years playing around with that Liquid Metal stuff. Dick Tracy's watch will be a thing of the past.
5-10) I leave to all those smart guys.
NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW APPLE ONCE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COPY.
Apple gets slammed for their patents that they take to court when they are infringed upon.
People slam them for crippling innovation by patenting everything.
well, IBM and Samsung kill Apple in patent filings.
Where is the outrage?
When Samsung or IBM preemptively sue a Spanish tablet maker who makes tablets that look nothing like the iPad at all let me know.
When Samsung or IBM selectively sue only their biggest competitors in order to sue them out of the marketplace let me know. (screw Samsung btw...they should be forced to change their skin and hardware a lot...for the benefit of both Apple and the Android community...)
When Samsung or IBM sue over a rounded rectangular thin device (the drawing of which looks like nothing ever to be brought to market by Apple) let me know.
When Samsung or IBM obnoxiously offer a list of things competitors can do to avoid making rounded rectangular thin tablets with a bezel let me know.
No one cares about patents...it's what is patented and how it is used.
For instance...Samsung's patent on smileys??? WTF.
Sometimes protection becomes bullying. And from my perspective Apple bullies.
Let's not make this political. I'm sure there are some socialists who understand why patents are inherently good for progress and I'm sure there are some non-socialists who want the wrong kind of patent reform, too.
Anarcho-socialists, Marxists and Anti-Propertarianists don't like or understand intellectual property. I've argued with some of them for days on end.
3-D printers are already creating a direct link from inventor to consumer. These geniuses in the lab are gonna eventually realize that they can go solo and make millions off their patented CAD files a couple of bucks a download. I would imagine that whoever invents the nano factory would own the last necessary patent. How can they possibly protect these other patents?
Once "3D printing" hits the mainstream and actually produces instantly usable parts or products, that will herald a new renaissance in manufacturing, but it will still only be a precursor to practical molecular manufacturing (aka nanoscale manufacturing) as outlined by K. Eric Drexler in his landmark book, Engines of Creation.
I think he thinks patents are 'evil'. Seems to be the trend recently, spread by socialists (who think you shouldn't own anything (yet still wish to consume goods that only exist due to the wonders of capitalism)) and companies whose business models are based on the systematic misuse of IP (such as Google).
B.S. No one reasonable who understands business in any way thinks patents are evil. What they might think is evil is the way the patents are improperly awarded and the violation of the concept that ideas are not patentable, only the implementation of the idea. One of the most obvious examples of the ridiculous application of patents is giving Amazon a patent for "one-click", which Apple had to license from Amazon. And I've heard (although can't document) about patents seemingly awarded relatively recently for such concepts as filing objects in a cabinet. And they might also think that patent wars and companies who do nothing but buy up patents and then sue over them are not in the best interests of anyone but the lawyers.
One might also be opposed to the U.S. Congress (especially one that consistently talks about the founding fathers intentions) constantly extending the term of copyright, which was largely initiated in the last round by Disney, who didn't want Mickey Mouse (via Steamboat Willie) to fall into the pubic domain.
However, having said all that, there is one industry that works without patents/copyrights (for the most part) and the system seems to work quite well: the fashion industry. You can't copyright fashion, aside from logos. So Levi's does have a trademark on its logo and on the stitching design on the pocket, but that's it. Anyone can legally knock off any fashion that they see, aside from logos.
B.S. No one reasonable who understands business in any way thinks patents are evil. What they might think is evil is the way the patents are improperly awarded and the violation of the concept that ideas are not patentable, only the implementation of the idea. One of the most obvious examples of the ridiculous application of patents is giving Amazon a patent for "one-click", which Apple had to license from Amazon. And I've heard (although can't document) about patents seemingly awarded relatively recently for such concepts as filing objects in a cabinet. And they might also think that patent wars and companies who do nothing but buy up patents and then sue over them are not in the best interests of anyone but the lawyers.
One might also be opposed to the U.S. Congress (especially one that consistently talks about the founding fathers intentions) constantly extending the term of copyright, which was largely initiated in the last round by Disney, who didn't want Mickey Mouse (via Steamboat Willie) to fall into the pubic domain.
However, having said all that, there is one industry that works without patents/copyrights (for the most part) and the system seems to work quite well: the fashion industry. You can't copyright fashion, aside from logos. So Levi's does have a trademark on its logo and on the stitching design on the pocket, but that's it. Anyone can legally knock off any fashion that they see, aside from logos.
But the fashion industry is socialist...and ummm...they make no money...errr...umm, they um...hmmm...The fashion industry (and video games) seem to put a wrench into dude's POV.
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Samsung?
second most patents for the second year running?
from a company that people say does nothing but copy?
could it be people maybe don't have a clue how much research Samsung does on a yearly basis?
wonder if one of those patents is for a rectangular TV with a clean uncluttered bezel, black border, and packaged in a big rectangular box. lol.
Obviously Samsung is great at basic sciences and manufacturing (which is extremely impressive). But the artistic design of iPhone and iOS has been totally copied and that's obvious.
Their user functionality (which is a giantic profit center for Apple) has also been copied. So, financially that is a big twinkie to fight over.
Obviously Samsung is great at basic sciences and manufacturing (which is extremely impressive). But the artistic design of iPhone and iOS has been totally copied and that's obvious.
Their user functionality (which is a giantic profit center for Apple) has also been copied. So, financially that is a big twinkie to fight over.
worst part about it...they don't even have to.
As many iOS and Android themers show, and even deviantart mockup artists show, it is entirely possible to create something beautiful without it being a copy of iOS.
Apple is not the be all end all...not even close...I like that Google and Microsofts tablet OSes do not resemble Apple's. I like how (Despite what people say) Android stock and WP7 do not look like iOS.
I don't get why Samsung thought the best direction to go, especially with the SGS as the SGS2 doesn't look as much like iOS as SGS did, was to completely ape Apple's UI and old designs.
You can be pro-capitalism and anti-software patents btw.
Software patents should require sourcecode as it is VERY possible to use 2 different codes to achieve the same exact function...function = copied...method =/= copied.
Or at the very least a significantly lesser term.
As long as something doesn't look 1:1 like something else nor function using the exact source code it should be allowed...if that's socialism then boy has the rest of the world been using the term wrong.
This idea isn't necessarily restricted to software. Let's say we have two rechargeable batteries that look the same and output the same voltage and current. They could be using completely different chemicals to generate the energy. Do we allow a patent for "cylindrical rechargeable batteries" or for "cylindrical rechargeable batteries using a Nickel Cadmium chemical reaction". There a fine line between function and implementation that needs to be clearly defined and up held.
That is the basic idea behind most people I know who call for patent reform. No politics involved.
The fact that Samsung has 8 times the number of patents as Apple, while "allegedly" infringing with many of it's products, shows that it must be quite easy to be granted a patent.
I don't claim to know how to fix it, but I do know it's broken.
Please enlighten me on these socialist ideologies.
But then again - perhaps not. You know the guy is just going to talk inflammatory ignorant rubbish.
I don't get your correlation.
Apple gets slammed for their patents that they take to court when they are infringed upon.
People slam them for crippling innovation by patenting everything.
well, IBM and Samsung kill Apple in patent filings.
Where is the outrage?
To show everyone that they are willing to share, and stop going thru the courts. BUT,
everything new coming up with their new stuff this year will be of limits to all.
Apple has shown that they are different than every other computer, phone & other category coming up.
Think about it. Its up to Google and Samsung now to keep up with Apple now.
Apple has their plans all set up for some really spectacular things. And they probably have release dates for a 1) complete Siri implementation in several different items.
2) they have plans to put to full use all these powerful chips coming out soon, (you think Google and Samsung know how. I don't)
3) Microsoft and Google have had a few years to put their version of smart anything in cars. That is probably Apple's next conquest after they take over the T. V. and entertainment center.
4) Ive has had a couple of years playing around with that Liquid Metal stuff. Dick Tracy's watch will be a thing of the past.
5-10) I leave to all those smart guys.
NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW APPLE ONCE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COPY.
Apple gets slammed for their patents that they take to court when they are infringed upon.
People slam them for crippling innovation by patenting everything.
well, IBM and Samsung kill Apple in patent filings.
Where is the outrage?
When Samsung or IBM preemptively sue a Spanish tablet maker who makes tablets that look nothing like the iPad at all let me know.
When Samsung or IBM selectively sue only their biggest competitors in order to sue them out of the marketplace let me know. (screw Samsung btw...they should be forced to change their skin and hardware a lot...for the benefit of both Apple and the Android community...)
When Samsung or IBM sue over a rounded rectangular thin device (the drawing of which looks like nothing ever to be brought to market by Apple) let me know.
When Samsung or IBM obnoxiously offer a list of things competitors can do to avoid making rounded rectangular thin tablets with a bezel let me know.
No one cares about patents...it's what is patented and how it is used.
For instance...Samsung's patent on smileys??? WTF.
Sometimes protection becomes bullying. And from my perspective Apple bullies.
All subjective of course.
Samsung?
second most patents for the second year running?
from a company that people say does nothing but copy?
could it be people maybe don't have a clue how much research Samsung does on a yearly basis?
wonder if one of those patents is for a rectangular TV with a clean uncluttered bezel, black border, and packaged in a big rectangular box. lol.
You cannot reason with diehard Apple fanboys. Samsung is evil. End of story.
@sleepy3 It is by Samsung Electronics's own admission. They copy, that's what they do best. I recommend reading the book Sony vs. Samsung.
Let's not make this political. I'm sure there are some socialists who understand why patents are inherently good for progress and I'm sure there are some non-socialists who want the wrong kind of patent reform, too.
Anarcho-socialists, Marxists and Anti-Propertarianists don't like or understand intellectual property. I've argued with some of them for days on end.
3-D printers are already creating a direct link from inventor to consumer. These geniuses in the lab are gonna eventually realize that they can go solo and make millions off their patented CAD files a couple of bucks a download. I would imagine that whoever invents the nano factory would own the last necessary patent. How can they possibly protect these other patents?
Once "3D printing" hits the mainstream and actually produces instantly usable parts or products, that will herald a new renaissance in manufacturing, but it will still only be a precursor to practical molecular manufacturing (aka nanoscale manufacturing) as outlined by K. Eric Drexler in his landmark book, Engines of Creation.
When they say Samsung do they mean Samsung Electronics or Samsung Group?
@sleepy3 It is by Samsung Electronics's own admission. They copy, that's what they do best. I recommend reading the book Sony vs. Samsung.
Yeah, they get awarded patents for copied ideas all the time. almost 5000 of them a year.
I think he thinks patents are 'evil'. Seems to be the trend recently, spread by socialists (who think you shouldn't own anything (yet still wish to consume goods that only exist due to the wonders of capitalism)) and companies whose business models are based on the systematic misuse of IP (such as Google).
B.S. No one reasonable who understands business in any way thinks patents are evil. What they might think is evil is the way the patents are improperly awarded and the violation of the concept that ideas are not patentable, only the implementation of the idea. One of the most obvious examples of the ridiculous application of patents is giving Amazon a patent for "one-click", which Apple had to license from Amazon. And I've heard (although can't document) about patents seemingly awarded relatively recently for such concepts as filing objects in a cabinet. And they might also think that patent wars and companies who do nothing but buy up patents and then sue over them are not in the best interests of anyone but the lawyers.
One might also be opposed to the U.S. Congress (especially one that consistently talks about the founding fathers intentions) constantly extending the term of copyright, which was largely initiated in the last round by Disney, who didn't want Mickey Mouse (via Steamboat Willie) to fall into the pubic domain.
However, having said all that, there is one industry that works without patents/copyrights (for the most part) and the system seems to work quite well: the fashion industry. You can't copyright fashion, aside from logos. So Levi's does have a trademark on its logo and on the stitching design on the pocket, but that's it. Anyone can legally knock off any fashion that they see, aside from logos.
B.S. No one reasonable who understands business in any way thinks patents are evil. What they might think is evil is the way the patents are improperly awarded and the violation of the concept that ideas are not patentable, only the implementation of the idea. One of the most obvious examples of the ridiculous application of patents is giving Amazon a patent for "one-click", which Apple had to license from Amazon. And I've heard (although can't document) about patents seemingly awarded relatively recently for such concepts as filing objects in a cabinet. And they might also think that patent wars and companies who do nothing but buy up patents and then sue over them are not in the best interests of anyone but the lawyers.
One might also be opposed to the U.S. Congress (especially one that consistently talks about the founding fathers intentions) constantly extending the term of copyright, which was largely initiated in the last round by Disney, who didn't want Mickey Mouse (via Steamboat Willie) to fall into the pubic domain.
However, having said all that, there is one industry that works without patents/copyrights (for the most part) and the system seems to work quite well: the fashion industry. You can't copyright fashion, aside from logos. So Levi's does have a trademark on its logo and on the stitching design on the pocket, but that's it. Anyone can legally knock off any fashion that they see, aside from logos.
But the fashion industry is socialist...and ummm...they make no money...errr...umm, they um...hmmm...The fashion industry (and video games) seem to put a wrench into dude's POV.