"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
Apple hit $400 billion today and an all time share high.
How about you comment on that right now and we can get it over with?
apple is a small ant compared to real companies that don't do toys, like saudi aranco.
lol
apple is doomed.
Now you're left with comparing apple with an company that makes nothing, was fortunate enough by luck of geography to have a product that is high in demand worldwide. They don't have to innovate or even think much about it! Just drill baby drill!!
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
Microsoft could keep churning out profits on total cruise control, but it's earnings growth that really matters, and that's where Microsoft is having problems.
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
I've been thinking about shorting MS for a while. These numbers seem just a little too conveniently similar to last year's numbers ... smells like accounting manipulation to me ... and a serious downward trend for MS. You can manipulate the numbers for a few quarters ... but, eventually you have to reveal the deficiencies.
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
Actually profit per share is up only because of MS's large share buyback program. As was mentioned, there are less shares out than same time last year.
As far as WP7 goes, they will first have to stem the losses from that before thinking about profits. So far there is no evidence that sales are increasing, either here or abroad.
HAHA Now he's arguing that lowered marketshare is fine so long as you increase your profits. At least he's consistent with his crazy anti-Apple arguments.
Err, isn't that what's been said about Apple here, even though I argue otherwise?
Didnt this happen the year windows 7 came out? Who would buy a pc with windows 7 when windows 8 is coming out?
I think this is due to microsoft announcing windows 8 so early and not because of apple. Lets see if this trend keeps up when windows 8 comes out.
Well, from the comments about it on forums at Anandtech, usually a reliable source of MS fans, and Arstechnica, which also has more than its share, this isn't popular so far. It seems as though Metro on the desktop is universally disliked. Sure some writers like it, but then they always like the new and shiny. It's also their job to like these new things, otherwise they would have little to write about.
But from polls of CIO's, it seems as though business is staying away from Win 8.
This could be another "Vista Moment" for MS. Success is not assured.
Well, from the comments about it on forums at Anandtech, usually a reliable source of MS fans, and Arstechnica, which also has more than its share, this isn't popular so far. It seems as though Metro on the desktop is universally disliked. Sure some writers like it, but then they always like the new and shiny. It's also their job to like these new things, otherwise they would have little to write about.
But from polls of CIO's, it seems as though business is staying away from Win 8.
This could be another "Vista Moment" for MS. Success is not assured.
If are doing half to Win8 what they did to WP7 I think it will be the best version of Windows yet. Win7 is pretty great for what it is.
I did see some PCs at CES that would likely fit the whole dual-UI system of Win8 but I feel that most of it is looking poor. I think they screwed themselves on the tablet front. They need WP7 designed for a tablet UI, not Win8 with Metro. They could have had those flying in 2011 with great ecosystem support to Win7 and they might have carved themselves out a decent Enterprise business and even helped pull their smartphones up a bit. If Apple can release that HiDPI iPad this year with all other things being equal I think I they will have locked up the iPad market like they did the iPod market.
Last year there was a survey stating Mac users keep their computers 3 times longer on average than Windows/PC users. With 50% of Mac sales going to first time Mac buyers it is a significant year-over-year build-up of lost Windows sales.
So for every first time Mac buyer Microsoft loses 3 Windows sales over time.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
the average PC life lasts until the warranty expires. My Mac is 6.5 years old and will probably be replaced this year if a new iMac comes out.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
I've certainly read studies that show Macs are used longer than the average non-Mac PC but 3-4x longer seems like a natural exaggeration of something that once was truthful.
I, like many on this forum, have extensive knowledge and experience with Windows from various PC OEMs and with Macs and can say that Macs due tend to have a longer lifecycle for many reasons. They are built better, they have better and simpler service since it comes from one company, less wonky updates issues since the OS is built for that specific machine, they come with no pre-installed crapware running in the background, they are easier to maintain, they require less 3rd-party SW for maintenance which can slow down a system, and they have different rules for running programs in the background and at startup without the user's interaction. All these things can make a Windows PC appear to be more broken and/or obsolete than it really is. Now some of these have surely become less of an issue with newer version of Windows but there are still more of these issues than on Macs.
Another thing that likely contributes to their longevity is their styling. Along with other factors it keeps them desirable and their value high. For these reasons users might not want to get rid of them but instead store them away or simply deprecate their primary use to something less interactive with the user.
I recently got back an iMac G4 17" from circa 2003 that I gifted to family years ago. It was used about 8 years since it was purchased. I love the styling so I am planning on gutting the machine and putting in the organs of a modern Mac mini but with a few extras to use some of that additional dome space. Does that count as still using a Mac?
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
FWIW, my 2002 iMac is still in daily use, although by my Mom, and I have bought another 5 in the same time.
Kodak said similar things on the way down. Face it Slappy, a decline has been going on steadily for a long time and it is accelerating. Get out while you can, come on over to the light
Comments
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
Apple hit $400 billion today and an all time share high.
How about you comment on that right now and we can get it over with?
Apple hit $400 billion today and an all time share high.
How about you comment on that right now and we can get it over with?
i will comment..
apple is a small ant compared to real companies that don't do toys, like saudi aranco.
lol
apple is doomed.
i will comment..
apple is a small ant compared to real companies that don't do toys, like saudi aranco.
lol
apple is doomed.
Now you're left with comparing apple with an company that makes nothing, was fortunate enough by luck of geography to have a product that is high in demand worldwide. They don't have to innovate or even think much about it! Just drill baby drill!!
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
Microsoft could keep churning out profits on total cruise control, but it's earnings growth that really matters, and that's where Microsoft is having problems.
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
I've been thinking about shorting MS for a while. These numbers seem just a little too conveniently similar to last year's numbers ... smells like accounting manipulation to me ... and a serious downward trend for MS. You can manipulate the numbers for a few quarters ... but, eventually you have to reveal the deficiencies.
I think this is due to microsoft announcing windows 8 so early and not because of apple. Lets see if this trend keeps up when windows 8 comes out.
"The company posted a net profit of $6.62 billion or 78 cents per share for its fiscal second quarter, compared to the previous year's $6.63 billion or 77 cents per share."
This is not bad at all. Despite slow PC sales, Microsoft is still very profitable. Windows Phone will just add to more profits in 2012. All the negative spin on this forum will not change this fact.
Actually profit per share is up only because of MS's large share buyback program. As was mentioned, there are less shares out than same time last year.
As far as WP7 goes, they will first have to stem the losses from that before thinking about profits. So far there is no evidence that sales are increasing, either here or abroad.
HAHA Now he's arguing that lowered marketshare is fine so long as you increase your profits. At least he's consistent with his crazy anti-Apple arguments.
Err, isn't that what's been said about Apple here, even though I argue otherwise?
Err, isn't that what's been said about Apple here, even though I argue otherwise?
I'm pointing out slapppy's 180° turn on marketshare and profits.
Didnt this happen the year windows 7 came out? Who would buy a pc with windows 7 when windows 8 is coming out?
I think this is due to microsoft announcing windows 8 so early and not because of apple. Lets see if this trend keeps up when windows 8 comes out.
Well, from the comments about it on forums at Anandtech, usually a reliable source of MS fans, and Arstechnica, which also has more than its share, this isn't popular so far. It seems as though Metro on the desktop is universally disliked. Sure some writers like it, but then they always like the new and shiny. It's also their job to like these new things, otherwise they would have little to write about.
But from polls of CIO's, it seems as though business is staying away from Win 8.
This could be another "Vista Moment" for MS. Success is not assured.
Yes, which is the point of my post.
Ah, it didn't look that way.
Well, from the comments about it on forums at Anandtech, usually a reliable source of MS fans, and Arstechnica, which also has more than its share, this isn't popular so far. It seems as though Metro on the desktop is universally disliked. Sure some writers like it, but then they always like the new and shiny. It's also their job to like these new things, otherwise they would have little to write about.
But from polls of CIO's, it seems as though business is staying away from Win 8.
This could be another "Vista Moment" for MS. Success is not assured.
If are doing half to Win8 what they did to WP7 I think it will be the best version of Windows yet. Win7 is pretty great for what it is.
I did see some PCs at CES that would likely fit the whole dual-UI system of Win8 but I feel that most of it is looking poor. I think they screwed themselves on the tablet front. They need WP7 designed for a tablet UI, not Win8 with Metro. They could have had those flying in 2011 with great ecosystem support to Win7 and they might have carved themselves out a decent Enterprise business and even helped pull their smartphones up a bit. If Apple can release that HiDPI iPad this year with all other things being equal I think I they will have locked up the iPad market like they did the iPod market.
Last year there was a survey stating Mac users keep their computers 3 times longer on average than Windows/PC users. With 50% of Mac sales going to first time Mac buyers it is a significant year-over-year build-up of lost Windows sales.
So for every first time Mac buyer Microsoft loses 3 Windows sales over time.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
the average PC life lasts until the warranty expires. My Mac is 6.5 years old and will probably be replaced this year if a new iMac comes out.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
I've certainly read studies that show Macs are used longer than the average non-Mac PC but 3-4x longer seems like a natural exaggeration of something that once was truthful.
I, like many on this forum, have extensive knowledge and experience with Windows from various PC OEMs and with Macs and can say that Macs due tend to have a longer lifecycle for many reasons. They are built better, they have better and simpler service since it comes from one company, less wonky updates issues since the OS is built for that specific machine, they come with no pre-installed crapware running in the background, they are easier to maintain, they require less 3rd-party SW for maintenance which can slow down a system, and they have different rules for running programs in the background and at startup without the user's interaction. All these things can make a Windows PC appear to be more broken and/or obsolete than it really is. Now some of these have surely become less of an issue with newer version of Windows but there are still more of these issues than on Macs.
Another thing that likely contributes to their longevity is their styling. Along with other factors it keeps them desirable and their value high. For these reasons users might not want to get rid of them but instead store them away or simply deprecate their primary use to something less interactive with the user.
I recently got back an iMac G4 17" from circa 2003 that I gifted to family years ago. It was used about 8 years since it was purchased. I love the styling so I am planning on gutting the machine and putting in the organs of a modern Mac mini but with a few extras to use some of that additional dome space. Does that count as still using a Mac?
Next up, Amazon.
Can't wait for their earnings announcement...
And that's before they have the cinder block of Motorola Mobility around their neck.
True, that.
Although, they will probably have to let most of the 20,000 people go, which would be its own disaster.
That statement sounds like BS based on nothing but first principles.
The average PC life-cycle is somewhere between 3 and 4 years. That would make the average Mac life-cycle between 9 and 12 years.
We don't know how that average was reached, but I would find it hard to imagine for every one person buying a new Mac every 5 years there is either another person using a Mac that is between 13 to 19 years old or 4 people using a Mac between 10 and 14 years old.
FWIW, my 2002 iMac is still in daily use, although by my Mom, and I have bought another 5 in the same time.
Kodak said similar things on the way down. Face it Slappy, a decline has been going on steadily for a long time and it is accelerating. Get out while you can, come on over to the light
amen.
FWIW, my 2002 iMac is still in daily use, although by my Mom, and I have bought another 5 in the same time.
this is quite common my 2002 lampshade iMac died recently (a matter of weeks ago) and have bought 4 maces between then and now :-)