Apple's overseas manufacturing operations offer flexibility, not just savings - report

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  • Reply 101 of 148
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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Err... Last I looked Apple was a US corporation...



    I don't know what it means to say Apple, or any corporation, is a US corporation. They seem to be "persons", according the Supreme Court, they don't have passports, but they can vote with their money since Citizens United. Doesn't that mean they are citizens? But, since US corporations can be owned and controlled by non-citizens, what does it mean to be a US Corporation?



    Let's think about other US corporations? Say Cisco. Their headquarters are in Ireland. Of course, the office there is an empty shell, but they get to shield their income from the US by making believe they are an Irish Corporation.
  • Reply 102 of 148
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    Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post


    I don't know what it means to say Apple, or any corporation, is a US corporation. They seem to be "persons", according the Supreme Court, they don't have passports, but they can vote with their money since Citizens United. Doesn't that mean they are citizens? But, since US corporations can be owned and controlled by non-citizens, what does it mean to be a US Corporation?



    Let's think about other US corporations? Say Cisco. Their headquarters are in Ireland. Of course, the office there is an empty shell, but they get to shield their income from the US by making believe they are an Irish Corporation.



    It means that Apple was incorporated in the US, is governed by US laws and regulations and operates in the free market economy of the US...
  • Reply 103 of 148
    If production in China is so advantageous why is Foxconn building an iPad factory in Brazil? Does Brazil also have some major manufacturing advantage over the US?
  • Reply 104 of 148
    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
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    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    Really? The mixed up picture caused you a lot of confusion? I guess any group of people can have their intelligence charted on a bell curve and there has to be somebody on each point of that curve huh?



    Where would someone who gets a kick out of dissing someone's IQ for silly reasons be on such a curve, huh?
  • Reply 105 of 148
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    Originally Posted by gobble gobble View Post


    If production in China is so advantageous why is Foxconn building an iPad factory in Brazil? Does Brazil also have some major manufacturing advantage over the US?



    I suspect that the Brazil move is underwritten and/or encouraged by Apple to bypass the high tariffs and increase sales in that country. A by-product is a second mfg source and an uplifting effect on the labor market there... Something Apple and Foxconn could benefit from in the future.
  • Reply 106 of 148
    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
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    Originally Posted by gobble gobble View Post


    If production in China is so advantageous why is Foxconn building an iPad factory in Brazil? Does Brazil also have some major manufacturing advantage over the US?



    Advantages:



    - Brazil government is heavily subsidizing factory project

    - Apple products will no longer be charged the rather high import duty currently charged

    - Foxconn wants to diversify geographically because Chinese labor will not stay cheap forever.



    Get it? Perhaps reconsider your sarcastic tone?
  • Reply 107 of 148
    Foxconn is building a factory in Brazil because of an import tariff of something like 40% in Brazil effectivley doubling the cost of technology to Brazilian consumers. It is a protectionism type tariff.
  • Reply 108 of 148
    Apple should be required to make all the products it sells in the USA in the USA. And the costs of those goods have to match its USA expenses. US consumers should not benefit from lower costs of labor in other countries. So if a USA iPad2 costs $899 to make for a 16GB wi-fi model because of higher costs here, that is what US Apple customers must pay. This also means that US customers only get product from the US inventory. If that means that you have to wait months for a new phone, instead of maybe a couple weeks, too bad. If you have to wait a year for a new MacBook Air because the USA plants are slow, too bad. If you plan to camp out to get the iPad3 in the USA, you probably should go get in line in front of your Apple store right now. Really, the best thing would be to let the Obama administration tell Apple where to make all of its products, who they will be allowed to sell them to, and what will be the price they are allowed to sell them at. This will benefit all comrades in our country.
  • Reply 109 of 148
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    Originally Posted by msimpson View Post


    Apple should be required to make all the products it sells in the USA in the USA.



    Brazil does that, I think. Their prices are ludicrous.



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    If that means that you have to wait months for a new phone, instead of maybe a couple weeks, too bad.







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    If you have to wait a year for a new MacBook Air because the USA plants are slow, too bad.







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    Really, the best thing would be to let the Obama administration tell Apple where to make all of its products, who they will be allowed to sell them to, and what will be the price they are allowed to sell them at. This will benefit all comrades in our country.



    Let's drop the political stuff.
  • Reply 110 of 148
    tinman0tinman0 Posts: 168member
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    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    Seriously there are good reasons to wake somebody in the middle of the night, sticking screens on iPhones isn't one of them. I smell a workers revolt coming to China.



    They are right about one thing though, it would be very hard to find Americans willing to work with those sorts of expectations. Who would want to be packed in a dorm just to have a job.



    See, you made Apple's point in one.
  • Reply 111 of 148
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by msimpson View Post


    Apple should be required to make all the products it sells in the USA in the USA. And the costs of those goods have to match its USA expenses. US consumers should not benefit from lower costs of labor in other countries. So if a USA iPad2 costs $899 to make for a 16GB wi-fi model because of higher costs here, that is what US Apple customers must pay. This also means that US customers only get product from the US inventory. If that means that you have to wait months for a new phone, instead of maybe a couple weeks, too bad. If you have to wait a year for a new MacBook Air because the USA plants are slow, too bad. If you plan to camp out to get the iPad3 in the USA, you probably should go get in line in front of your Apple store right now. Really, the best thing would be to let the Obama administration tell Apple where to make all of its products, who they will be allowed to sell them to, and what will be the price they are allowed to sell them at. This will benefit all comrades in our country.



    1) At least then Obama would be the socialist he's accused of being.



    2) So unless you think Apple can get Qualcomm, Skyworks, Infineon, Broadcom, LG, Toshiba, Samsung, Cirrus, Texas Instruments, Sony, and undoubtedly many, many more to product all their products in the US then what you say is impossible since the manufacturing of the whole is comprised of components that are owned by other companies and mostly manufactured outside the US then shipped to factories to be included in Apple's products. Then you have an issue with the profits still going to foreign companies, including licenses for technologies Apple doesn't own, which makes the suggestion even more ridiculous.
  • Reply 112 of 148
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    When someone thinks that solving America's problems is more important than caring about problems all around the world, ignoring the problems of Chinese workers who might become equally as unemployed, for instance, or the benefits Apple has given to those people who are generally worse off than the residents of Flint, Michigan, then I think there has been a lapse of moral judgment. If you want to talk about patriotism, go right ahead. If you want to talk about morality, however, I think you're missing something.



    It is not Apple's problem to solve the world's problems, China's problems, or even America's problems. They are in business to make money and provide products that customers want and they have decided to do it in as environmentally friendly a way as they currently can.
  • Reply 113 of 148
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,391member
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    Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post


    The last factory manufacturing metal "silverware" in the US, closed it's doors last year. And we don't have any manufacturers of clothing or material in the US.



    My New Balance shoes came with a thing on them saying they manufactured/assembled 25% of their shoes in the US
  • Reply 114 of 148
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    I've said this many times before: these jobs are not coming back to the US.



    Its not just about bulding a plant and finding some workers (both if which will take ages in the US). We lack the component supply chain, the training facilities, the worker discipline, the supervisory capabilities, the quality mentality, and hunger for achievement (that we once had).



    The next phase in manufacturing has already arrived, even though it is very early in it's development. It's called 3-D printing, which will one day be true nano-fabrication. If we are lucky, we will get in on the ground floor of the next wave and there will be whole new industries that rise. With nano-fabrication, it will not take a plant of 30,000 workers to create amazing devices, it will take one machine (or maybe two or three), a few support personnel (or possibly the assistance of robots in the future) and customers for whatever can be created using the process. At some point, it may even be possible to "print" a car, house, or whatever can be imagined, a la the Star Trek replicator, but I think that may be several hundred years off.
  • Reply 115 of 148
    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
    Totally unrelated: Anyone else heard RIM has a new CEO?
  • Reply 116 of 148
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    I've said this many times before: these jobs are not coming back to the US.



    Its not just about bulding a plant and finding some workers (both if which will take ages in the US). We lack the component supply chain, the training facilities, the worker discipline, the supervisory capabilities, the quality mentality, and hunger for achievement (that we once had).



    And most importantly, Apple would lack the extreme profit margins that we all have grown to love and protect. God forbid that margins be affected, Apple is barely making due as it is.
  • Reply 117 of 148
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    Totally unrelated: Anyone else heard RIM has a new CEO?



    Ah, just one this time?



    They must be hit pretty hard to downsize like that.
  • Reply 118 of 148
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post


    Only a fool would think that the reference was to residential addresses. And you are no fool.



    Apple is 70% owned by institutional investors. "Wall Street" is a euphemism for (among other things) big institutional investors. But you knew that.



    Only a fool would think that the reference was to short-term profits. And you are no fool.



    Apple's mission is to provide the maximum total profits to its owners, which are 70% Wall Street institutional investors. But you knew that.



    It's not often that you see someone as eager as you seem to be to prove that they don't know what they're talking about.



    What do you think it means to say that institutional investors own 70% of Apple? It means that they are holding the shares for other investors. They may have index funds or managed funds, but the shares of those funds are owned by individual investors.



    Ultimately, virtually ALL stock (at least in the U.S.) is owned for the benefit of individual investors.
  • Reply 119 of 148
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    Originally Posted by rbryanh View Post


    We've temporarily improved our standard of living by reducing that of others.



    Bullshit. Bull. Shit. If anyone thinks the manufacturing business in Asia has REDUCED anyone's standard of living in Asia, they are completely ignorant of the facts.
  • Reply 120 of 148
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    Originally Posted by cyberoid View Post


    Argue though we may about Apple's overseas production -- which I consider scandalous, one more reason to look elsewhere...



    Again, ignorance abounds. Apple, in comparison to EVERY OTHER COMPANY ON THE PLANET has acted in a responsible, humanitarian manner to improve the situation for overseas workers. I challenge you to name one company that has done more. I challenge you to name one company that releases annual audit reports and shows that poor conditions have been addressed and corrected.



    By look elsewhere, I guess you mean on another planet.
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