Not making light of any of the problems with chinese workers, But where is Foxconns culpability and the China's responcibiliy in all of this? Its pile on Apple time, it seems to be the fashion nowadays!!
Why dont we point the finger at the others MAJOR COMPANIES THAT HAVE PRODUCTS MANUFACTURED AT FOXCONN?
LIKE THESE WELL KNOWN CORPORATIONS:
Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[27]
Amazon.com (United States)[28]
Apple Inc. (United States)[29]
ASRock (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Asus (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Barnes & Noble (United States)[citation needed]
Cisco (United States)[30]
Dell (United States)[31]
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[32]
Intel (United States)[33]
IBM (United States)[citation needed]
Lenovo (China)[citation needed]
Microsoft (United States)[34]
MSI (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Motorola (United States)[31]
Netgear (United States)[citation needed]
Nintendo (Japan)[35]
Nokia (Finland)[29]
Panasonic (Japan)[citation needed]
Samsung (South Korea)[36]
Sharp (Japan)[citation needed]
Sony (Japan)[37]
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[38]
Vizio (United States)[39]
One of foxconn's plants to have problems with suicide attempts was a factory making X Boxes. Where is microsoft in this. Where are the articles denegrating microsoft?
Look at the above list and you will find that there are a ton of asian companies also using foxconn.
Why arent they being publicly maligned?
Im so sick of this one-sided myopic view of a problem.
The fact is that not one of the major corporations listed above EXCEPT Apple do anything about this.
Apple has done more to help and at least try than all of the rest of the above companies combined.
Not making light of any of the problems with chinese workers, But where is Foxconns culpability and the China's responcibiliy in all of this? Its pile on Apple time, it seems to be the fashion nowadays!!
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The fact is that not one of the major corporations listed above EXCEPT Apple do anything about this.
Apple has done more to help and at least try than all of the rest of the above companies combined.
Quite right too that Apple should lead the way, since Apple is the richest and best run company on the list. What we don't need is a bunch of pious prannies from the media putting them down for it.
Just watched the CNN video. "Miss Chan" is a college student slumming with the working folks. Used to see a couple like that - whining on the shop floor every summer. Usually, daddy found them a tidier place to work.
I can guarantee that in any workplace, anywhere on Earth, that you'd find a "Miss Chen" who'd whine about conditions.
Now what will 80c buy in China?
How much does food cost there?
University fees, textbooks, houses and land, clothing, electricity, etc, etc, ad infinintum.
Not only that, they had the most profits out of all the tech companies by taking advantage of the situation in China.
This will be fun. Defend this implication that other tech companies make less money because they choose to hire more expensive laborers in other countries.
Wages at Foxconn were 900 renmibi per month and changed to 2,000 renmibi per month.
An iPad in China costs 3,688 renmibi.
US minimum wage is around $7 per hour so for a 60 hour week would amount to $1680 per month.
An iPad in the US costs $499.
So an iPad in China costs 1.5x their monthly salary and an iPad in the US costs about 0.3x their monthly salary.
Say that each puts away 10% per month to save up for an iPad, the Chinese worker has to save up for 18 months and the US worker has to save up for 3 months.
Some other salary figures are noted here, some lower than RMB 2,000/m:
Now let's say that Apple gives each employee that works on their products a 100% bonus. Not all 500k workers will work on Apple products but say 100k. 100k x RMB 2000 ($317) x 12 months = $380m per year. This allows their own workers to save up for an iPad in 9 months, which is at least within the yearly product cycle. Give them a similar discount to US employees and it's even sooner.
In leading by example (which I have no doubt they are already doing), this will encourage other manufacturers to offer the same incentives.
I bet you get more than 83c an hour though, which is what she gets.
And I bet my cost of living is far higher than hers. How much her income translates to in American currency is a non sequitur unless you can also produce figures showing the cost of living in her local economy.
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Why dont we point the finger at the others MAJOR COMPANIES THAT HAVE PRODUCTS MANUFACTURED AT FOXCONN?
LIKE THESE WELL KNOWN CORPORATIONS:
Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[27]
Amazon.com (United States)[28]
Apple Inc. (United States)[29]
ASRock (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Asus (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Barnes & Noble (United States)[citation needed]
Cisco (United States)[30]
Dell (United States)[31]
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[32]
Intel (United States)[33]
IBM (United States)[citation needed]
Lenovo (China)[citation needed]
Microsoft (United States)[34]
MSI (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Motorola (United States)[31]
Netgear (United States)[citation needed]
Nintendo (Japan)[35]
Nokia (Finland)[29]
Panasonic (Japan)[citation needed]
Samsung (South Korea)[36]
Sharp (Japan)[citation needed]
Sony (Japan)[37]
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[38]
Vizio (United States)[39]
One of foxconn's plants to have problems with suicide attempts was a factory making X Boxes. Where is microsoft in this. Where are the articles denegrating microsoft?
Look at the above list and you will find that there are a ton of asian companies also using foxconn.
Why arent they being publicly maligned?
Im so sick of this one-sided myopic view of a problem.
The fact is that not one of the major corporations listed above EXCEPT Apple do anything about this.
Apple has done more to help and at least try than all of the rest of the above companies combined.
Not making light of any of the problems with chinese workers, But where is Foxconns culpability and the China's responcibiliy in all of this? Its pile on Apple time, it seems to be the fashion nowadays!!
...
The fact is that not one of the major corporations listed above EXCEPT Apple do anything about this.
Apple has done more to help and at least try than all of the rest of the above companies combined.
Quite right too that Apple should lead the way, since Apple is the richest and best run company on the list. What we don't need is a bunch of pious prannies from the media putting them down for it.
Just watched the CNN video. "Miss Chan" is a college student slumming with the working folks. Used to see a couple like that - whining on the shop floor every summer. Usually, daddy found them a tidier place to work.
I can guarantee that in any workplace, anywhere on Earth, that you'd find a "Miss Chen" who'd whine about conditions.
Now what will 80c buy in China?
How much does food cost there?
University fees, textbooks, houses and land, clothing, electricity, etc, etc, ad infinintum.
$1 in America is not the same as $1 in China.
They have 100% of their production in China and a majority of their production done by one company, Foxconn.
Not only that, they had the most profits out of all the tech companies by taking advantage of the situation in China. They deserve to get scrutinized.
Apple has done more to help and at least try than all of the rest of the above companies combined.
You dont know that. Apple likes to publically boast about their situation.
Not only that, they had the most profits out of all the tech companies by taking advantage of the situation in China.
This will be fun. Defend this implication that other tech companies make less money because they choose to hire more expensive laborers in other countries.
Now compare cost of living in China with that in the U.S., say in California, New York or Rhode Island.
We can compare the cost of Apple products:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...-pay-70pc.html
Wages at Foxconn were 900 renmibi per month and changed to 2,000 renmibi per month.
An iPad in China costs 3,688 renmibi.
US minimum wage is around $7 per hour so for a 60 hour week would amount to $1680 per month.
An iPad in the US costs $499.
So an iPad in China costs 1.5x their monthly salary and an iPad in the US costs about 0.3x their monthly salary.
Say that each puts away 10% per month to save up for an iPad, the Chinese worker has to save up for 18 months and the US worker has to save up for 3 months.
Some other salary figures are noted here, some lower than RMB 2,000/m:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=119
The lowest salary appears to be in Chongqing at RMB 710-850 per month:
http://understand-china.com/?manufac...ng-labor-costs
The lowest US salary is probably around $5/hour.
Now let's say that Apple gives each employee that works on their products a 100% bonus. Not all 500k workers will work on Apple products but say 100k. 100k x RMB 2000 ($317) x 12 months = $380m per year. This allows their own workers to save up for an iPad in 9 months, which is at least within the yearly product cycle. Give them a similar discount to US employees and it's even sooner.
In leading by example (which I have no doubt they are already doing), this will encourage other manufacturers to offer the same incentives.
I bet you get more than 83c an hour though, which is what she gets.
And I bet my cost of living is far higher than hers. How much her income translates to in American currency is a non sequitur unless you can also produce figures showing the cost of living in her local economy.