Apple attacks Motorola's efforts to block iPhone 4S using standards patents, asks for huge damages

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  • Reply 81 of 212
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,422member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post


    It might make sense, but it doesn't mean that is true, or that your interpretation of new action is as narrow as you want to make it. Complaints and responses are in constant change prior to trial, which can substantially alter the substance a case which a potential suitor would want to protect against, as can court rulings which may strengthen or weaken a case.



    Why would they be allowed to meddle with old business or management of everyday business decisions at Moto when there's realistic chances the purchase won't even happen, needing approval from a lot of different authorities including those in China, Israel, Taiwan, the US and the EU? Think of the possible ramifications from Moto stockholders if Google were to order an end to any actions against Apple but never follows thru with purchasing the company? Or worse, they order Moto to ramp up the lawsuits, then say adios and back out of the deal if the heat from Apple gets too hot. It makes no sense and therefor probably isn't true that Google's calling all the shots.



    But if you want to hold on to the teeny tiny possibility that this is all Google's doing, Moto's shareholders are being deceived by the evil Google who is secretly in control and use it to cloud your thinking it's your choice of course.
  • Reply 82 of 212
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,422member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    In the back room at Google:



    Okay... if you carry the two and subtract 5 and then multiple it by 7 and then add 4... hmmm... "Hello, Motorola, we've just been crunching the numbers and we've decided that it will cost us less if we just pay you the $2.5 billion and back out of the deal. Oh... and good luck with that thing you have going with Apple. Bye."



    ... and that wouldn't shock me at all.
  • Reply 83 of 212
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,227member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Oddly silent indeed since the last quarterly earnings report.



    He'll be back when Apple "doesn't meet expectations" next quarter or if Samsung overtakes Apple in yearly "sales" again.



    Yeah, Google miss and Apple got a huge earning. Poor Slappy. So much for Android having 98% market shares by the end of 2012.
  • Reply 84 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rmb0037 View Post


    I love how honest Qualcomm is



    Motorola sent a letter to Qualcomm stating their intentions. In the letter was a note which stated that a copy of this letter was also being sent to Apple Inc. The phrase "copying Apple" should be expanded as "copy of this letter sent to Apple".



    If Motorola was in fact copying Apple, the company would be producing superior products resulting in high profits at substantial margins. If the Motorola product under examination was as essential and superior as Motorola wishes, Apple would have paid the requisite fees to use it.



    Cheers
  • Reply 85 of 212
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    Your will fit right in with communism and socialism. Listening, preaching and practicing only the words and life styles of those from above. Never questioning and raising issues.



    This board need people like myself to help generate the clicks and posts to help generate ad revenues.



    Gayest. Justification. Ever.



    You're not here because we need you.



    You're here because you need us.
  • Reply 86 of 212
    After reading the various responses to my early post, I have no choice but to conclude this is the biggest group of elite assholes I have ever met. After 18 years of Internet flamefests, that's an achievement.



    And we honestly wonder why there are people who want Apple & its supporters to fail.
  • Reply 87 of 212
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    Fueller is talking crap like he always does.



    He fluffed about the Oracle case in how it will severely damage Googles case.



    90+% of the suit brought by Oracle was dismissed.



    Fueller is all talk, no walk.





    To Apple: The FRAND issue is in Germany, not in California.



    This is just Apple's attempt to get something in the door in its home town as all the others have failed.



    If this case shows that Apple did in fact have a license then Motorola has committed perjury by stating that they didn't in order to mislead the German courts and committed fraud by obtaining a benefit by deception i.e. having Apple products banned from sale.



    Mueller REPORTING on cases is easily separated from his opinion.



    In the words of Jobs, regarding the case in California, "This changes everything".
  • Reply 88 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


    In the back room at Google:



    Okay... if you carry the two and subtract 5 and then multiple it by 7 and then add 4... hmmm... "Hello, Motorola, we've just been crunching the numbers and we've decided that it will cost us less if we just pay you the $2.5 billion and back out of the deal. Oh... and good luck with that thing you have going with Apple. Bye."



    It is actually $12.5 billion. Looks like this lawsuit settlement will cost them at least that much more to settle. Moto deal is going to drain $25 billion with nothing to show for. Music to my ears.
  • Reply 89 of 212
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Caccamucca View Post


    It is actually $12.5 billion. Looks like this lawsuit settlement will cost them at least that much more to settle. Moto deal is going to drain $25 billion with nothing to show for. Music to my ears.



    Not true.



    Google now owns that awesome 'Hel-lo Mo-to' ringtone.



    If that isn't value for money then I don't know what is.
  • Reply 90 of 212
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sippincider View Post


    After reading the various responses to my early post, I have no choice but to conclude this is the biggest group of elite assholes I have ever met. After 18 years of Internet flamefests, that's an achievement.



    And we honestly wonder why there are people who want Apple & its supporters to fail.



    Here's your original remark and every response:





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sippincider View Post


    Why is Apple filing in California over problems in Germany? Makes as much sense as filing in Spain over problems in China.



    I'm no legal expert, but I kinda doubt CA courts have the jurisdiction.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Grouty2 View Post


    If I understand this correctly this is about contracts between American companies (Motorola, Qualcomm and Apple) where one company (Motorola) is trying to rescind parts of a contract it signed with a second company (Qualcomm) as it applies to a third party (Apple).



    Of course you are correct that a Californian court would have no jurisdiction over legal processes in another country. I think they can tell an American company that it is breaching a contract signed in America. Like you I'm no expert though. Perhaps there are real lawyers on here that might offer an opinion?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Realistic View Post


    I agree you are not a legal expert and are clueless in general as well.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    The lawsuit involves three US companies over matters that have implications both in the US and abroad. Further the contract at issue was likely signed in the US. As such, jurisdiction is proper in any US Court. Apple picked the one in California, as that is the jurisdiction most favorable to it. If Apple wins a judgement, foreign courts through reciprocity agreements will have to honor the judgement.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post


    "I'm no legal expert ...." How true! So, now, why do you have an opinion?



    See paragraphs 4, 5, and 6 of Apple's complaint.



    The next time you comment on legal matters, please certify that you have completed a law degree and have expertise in the issues of Federal jurisdiction law.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galeforce View Post


    The contract between Motorola and Qualcomm is probably in California law



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


    This is a separate lawsuit from the one in Germany.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post


    Because they aren't so much filing the suit over the suits in Germany as combatting the underlying game. Which Motorola likely intended to file in other countries but just hadn't done yet.



    Add to this that patent suits aren't as restricted when it comes to jurisdiction and the fact that all 3 players are companies that are doing business in the US (plus Cali is Apple's home state) and it's not that illogical.



    So out of 7 responses, exactly two were snippy in a pretty typically internet way, while 5 were level-headed thoughts on the nature of the case.



    And from this you conclude "this is the biggest group of elite assholes I have ever met. After 18 years of Internet flamefests, that's an achievement.



    And we honestly wonder why there are people who want Apple & its supporters to fail."



    I don't think you can hide behind your (pathetic) "everybody hates you so there" nonsense. You're just a lunatic, and thin skinned one at that.
  • Reply 91 of 212
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sippincider View Post


    After reading the various responses to my early post, I have no choice but to conclude this is the biggest group of elite assholes I have ever met. After 18 years of Internet flamefests, that's an achievement.



    And we honestly wonder why there are people who want Apple & its supporters to fail.



    Hmmm...



    ...after reading this I can only reach the conclusion that the firewalls are pretty effective in the convent you must live in...



    ...now hurry along, Mother Superior is calling you to prayer.
  • Reply 92 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    But if you want to hold on to the teeny tiny possibility that this is all Google's doing, Moto's shareholders are being deceived by the evil Google who is secretly in control and use it to cloud your thinking it's your choice of course.



    Who knows who's pulling whose strings.



    It's interesting that this letter terminating all licensing with respects to Apple arrives January 11th 2011, just seven days after Motorola split into two companies on January 4th 2011. It looks a lot like Motorola was setting up an exit strategy from its' mobile business. A cynic might conclude this was a strategy aimed at duping a particular prospective buyer into believing Motorola Mobility had concealed worth far grater than it's quarterly losses suggests. Had Motorola considered this a legit and profitable action, why split the company in two?



    Regardless of when Google's involvement begins, both the $12.5 billion purchase price for MMI and the (6 x normal) $2.5 billion reverse break-up fee would seem to suggest Google bought into this legal action holus-bolus.
  • Reply 93 of 212
    wingswings Posts: 261member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by some internet dude View Post


    It may be a profitable company, but recent FBI files tell a story that Apple will lie steal and cheat to get there way. Plus they don't give a crap about the way there OEM factories are run. So a few people committed suicide, that's ok as long as we get our products made that's all that matters. They almost went under once it will happen again.



    Bet you didn't know that the suicide rate at Foxcon is almost identical with the Chinese national average. I know that won't change your attitude but still...
  • Reply 94 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    I'm reminded of a poem.



    I hope Motorola enjoyed stepping into Apple's web, fraudulently preventing the sale of Apple products, even if it was only for a few hours is not likely to go down too well with the courts.



    That's appropriate!.



    It is odd, that I was reminded of another poem:





    The Duel



    The gingham dog and the calico cat

    Side by side on the table sat;

    ‘Twas half past twelve, and (what do you think!)

    Nor one nor t’other had slept a wink!

    ** The old Dutch clock and the Chinese plate

    ** Appeared to know as sure as fate

    There was going to be a terrible spat,*

    ***** (I wasn’t there; I simply state

    ***** What was told to me by the Chinese plate!)



    The gingham dog went “Bow-wow-wow!”

    And the calico cat replied “Mee-ow!”

    The air was littered, an hour or so,

    With bits of gingham and calico,

    ** While the old Dutch clock in the chimney place

    * *Up with its hands before its face,

    For it always dreaded a family row!

    ***** (Now mind: I’m only telling you

    ***** What the old Dutch clock declares is true!)



    The Chinese plate looked very blue,

    And wailed, “Oh, dear! What shall we do!”

    But the gingham dog and the calico cat

    Wallowed this way and tumbled that,

    ** Employing every tooth and claw

    ** In the awfullest way you ever saw –

    And, oh! Ho the gingham and calico flew!

    ***** (Don’t fancy I exaggerate –

    ***** I got my news from the Chinese plate!)



    Next morning where the two had sat

    They found no trace of dog or cat:

    And some folks think unto this day

    That burglars stole that pair away!

    ** But the truth about the cat and pup

    ** Is this: they ate each other up!

    Now what do you really think of that!

    ***** (The old Dutch clock it told me so,

    ***** And that is how I came to know.)
  • Reply 95 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herbapou View Post


    We only allow Slappy to troll here. You're not welcome.



    Where is Slappy btw?



    AI declared Slapppy as a 2-3% dividend.
  • Reply 96 of 212
  • Reply 97 of 212


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  • Reply 98 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GTR View Post


    4. Rectum scan using FaceTime (supposedly far more accurate than a retinal scan).



    That would actually be AssTime? - "our new amazing rectal scan technology with asshole recognition" (said in my best Phil Schiller imitation)
  • Reply 99 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Katsudon View Post


    That would actually be AssTime? - "our new amazing rectal scan technology with asshole recognition" (said in my best Phil Schiller imitation)



    You must be careful when calling tha parents
  • Reply 100 of 212
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    Everyone just needs a hug. If we did more hugging in business we wouldn't have these problems. Come to reasonable cross licensing agreements and move on please.



    The technical term for hugs is FRAND -- Fair, Reasonable and NonDiscriminatory -- which is what Motorola agreed to and Apple is suing for.
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