Why does everyone hate Voyager???

rokrok
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
seriously, i don't get it. i'm not saying you're wrong, but i enjoyed it for what it was (i only just saw all fo the season re-runs in syndication up here in canada -- i never watched it when it was on before). i get the feelign that one or two purists said they hated it, and so everyone fell in-line so as not to seem uncool (though, int he trekkie community, that's a term i use VERY loosely).



my biggest problems with the series were:



a. neelix (i never want to see a mullet on regular brodcast televisions again)

b. towards the end, each episode devolved into either borg or hologram (or holographic borg) episodes.



were the first couple of seasons rough? sure. but have you actually TRIED to sit through re-runs of the first two seasons of The Next Generation??? Dear GOD, other than the pilot episodes (Farpoint), those two years almost killed the series before it started (Counselot Troi: "I sense they are very afriad, Captain." Wow, you think? And how EXACTLY did her empathic powers work over the friggin' bridge screen???). yes, there were a few bad episodes in Voyager, but god, show me a TNG, DS9 or even the Classic season that didn't have at least one stupid clunker...



I know a lot of people didn't like Kate Mulgrew as the Captain Janeway, though i'm not sure why. Robert Picardo was awesome as The Doctor. Period. (though, if you ever watched China Beach, it was a bit eerie seeing him in another doctor role, just with less hair...)



The ending of the series was nothing special, but boy, was it ever confusing if you spent more than 2 minutes trying to figure out the temporal inconsistencies and impossibilities. but no worse than the "ending" of TNG (the backwards time-travel episode.. gosh, if picard = ratings, then THREE picards = TRIPLE ratings!!!)



enterprise ain't so bad. ALL of the series needed at least two seasons to get their legs.



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  • Reply 1 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    Voyager was just off. They had the whole 90210 thing going that just pissed me off.



    Enterprise on the otherhand is better and more realistic IMO. May the realism part is due to the fact that is is supposed to take place in the not so distant future.
  • Reply 2 of 49
    mainly because every single episode janeway would make the stupidest decision possible, putting the ship in danger, and then having to fix everything in the last 5 minutes. why is she captain if she is constantly acting like a moron?? no other star trek captain has been so consistently stupid in their decision-making abilities.
  • Reply 3 of 49
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>Voyager was just off. They had the whole 90210 thing going that just pissed me off.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I'm not sure what you mean...



    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>Enterprise on the otherhand is better and more realistic IMO. May the realism part is due to the fact that is is supposed to take place in the not so distant future.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    agreed. enterprise seems to be hitting its stride faster than the rest. hell, i almost liek the opening theme, and i wanted to punch my tv screen the first time i heard it.
  • Reply 4 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    [quote]Originally posted by rok:

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    agreed. enterprise seems to be hitting its stride faster than the rest. hell, i almost liek the opening theme, and i wanted to punch my tv screen the first time i heard it.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    LOL! Same here. But the opening credits are well done, even though the music was an odd choice. And the comment about the 90210 aspect was about the way there was always this almost juvenile sexual tension on the ship at all times, especially when 7 of 9 came on. Almost like the ability to have normal relationships was bred out of our genes.
  • Reply 5 of 49
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Cause the captain sucked ass, period. She reminded me of that annoyiong HS teacher everyone's had at least once, you know, the one you want to punch in the face. Besides, federation enlightened sexual politics aside, the captain of a starship is supposed to be a womanizer, we can deal with a distinguished older man, or an emotionally wounded sensitive type, but a woman? No one wants to take orders from a broad. This is supposed to be the 24th century (or later), we have cloning and holodecks, the only females we need are boinkable subordinates and seductive villains. They fvcked with the formula; affirmative action doesn't work on the bridge!
  • Reply 6 of 49
    I realy liked voyager. I liked the idea behind it. It was a nice relief from all the romulans, klingons, and whathaveyou. Sure the captain may noy have been the best, but so what? No everyone is perfect. And I thought it was nice for a change to see a woman in charge.



    Could some one explain to me how the events of voyager fall into the timeline of the rest of startrek? Janeway makes an appearence in the new movie but I thought she came after Picard, or was it around the same time?
  • Reply 7 of 49
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    TNG, DS9, and Voyager are all around the same time. Enterprise is a generation before the original Star Trek (which is 2 or 3 generations before Picard) iThink.
  • Reply 8 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>the music was an odd choice. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    i'd say it was more of a bad choice. a really bad choice. i cringe everytime i hear it come on the tv.
  • Reply 9 of 49
    1. Bad Scripting

    2. Bad Acting (I can't really tell since the scripts sucked)

    3. Did I mention the the crew had bad scripts?
  • Reply 10 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    [quote]Originally posted by running with scissors:

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    i'd say it was more of a bad choice. a really bad choice. i cringe everytime i hear it come on the tv.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    TOS had an original orchestral intro. As did TNG. Even Voyager and DS9. Enterprise intro is just... an odd choice. maybe not so much if they named it Enterprises Creek or something.



    I think the #1 reason why Voyager is so hated: You can't reduce the name to an acronymn like TOS, TNG, or DS9.
  • Reply 11 of 49
    What SPJ said.



    Times ten.
  • Reply 12 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>You can't reduce the name to an acronymn like TOS, TNG, or DS9.</strong><hr></blockquote>Actually, it's usually shortened to VOY on web sites and among chats, IIRC. So, it's down to three letters like the rest.
  • Reply 13 of 49
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>Cause the captain sucked ass, period. She reminded me of that annoyiong HS teacher everyone's had at least once, you know, the one you want to punch in the face. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    wow, i never felt like that. ever. though considering your message board demeanor, i'd say it's safe to bet that a large portion of your teachers felt the same about you...



    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>Besides, federation enlightened sexual politics aside, the captain of a starship is supposed to be a womanizer, we can deal with a distinguished older man, or an emotionally wounded sensitive type, but a woman? No one wants to take orders from a broad. This is supposed to be the 24th century (or later), we have cloning and holodecks, the only females we need are boinkable subordinates and seductive villains. They fvcked with the formula; affirmative action doesn't work on the bridge!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That cinches it, Matsu. You are a total raving idiot. I will never listen to another thing you ever say on these boards on any topic.



    I am willing to give anyone a chance, but holy crap, that was utterly the most ignorant, assinine, insensitive post EVER (well, okay, i don't frequent many of the political-based threads, where i am sure it's worse...often). I mean, what color is the sky up your own ass?!?



    Plus, since you live in Toronto, if i ever meet you in person, i will personally do everyone a favor and kick ya where the good lord split ya.
  • Reply 14 of 49
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>



    LOL! Same here. But the opening credits are well done, even though the music was an odd choice. And the comment about the 90210 aspect was about the way there was always this almost juvenile sexual tension on the ship at all times, especially when 7 of 9 came on. Almost like the ability to have normal relationships was bred out of our genes.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    ah, i get it now. thanks for the clarification -- though, hell, Jeri Ryan will do that to ya.
  • Reply 15 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>Cause the captain sucked ass, period. She reminded me of that annoyiong HS teacher everyone's had at least once, you know, the one you want to punch in the face. Besides, federation enlightened sexual politics aside, the captain of a starship is supposed to be a womanizer, we can deal with a distinguished older man, or an emotionally wounded sensitive type, but a woman? No one wants to take orders from a broad. This is supposed to be the 24th century (or later), we have cloning and holodecks, the only females we need are boinkable subordinates and seductive villains. They fvcked with the formula; affirmative action doesn't work on the bridge!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You dumbass sexist pig. Your comments are offensive to every female member or lurker here. Apologize!
  • Reply 16 of 49
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    I don't hate Voyager .... I never seen it



    Just have seen DS9, classic, TNG, and the first episode of the Enterprise who looks great.
  • Reply 17 of 49
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    If you produce some female members of the federation, I'll apologize. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 18 of 49
    Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 19 of 49
    jamiljamil Posts: 210member
    I liked Voyager. But then again I like any scifi.



    anyone see Taken on the scifi channel the past two weeks?



    back on subject, the main attraction for me was Seven of Nine. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> Drooooool smili



    I also liked the plots they came up with and the departure from the regular bad guys. throwing the ship into a different galaxy or quadrant or sector opened up new characters and aliens.



    Although I just could not get used to a fish being the galley chef. Sorta left me wondering when would someone have him for dinner!
  • Reply 20 of 49
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Stupid who?



    While Matsu is as Matsu does, even raving lunatics have a point.



    All Star-Trek has a semi-sexist, losely Bond-like dynamic to it.



    Kirk, do I really have to review those episodes or their costuming or content?



    Picard, too old, right? Ah, but Riker wasn't, and somehow Troi's breasts found a less than standard issue uniform right off the bat? hmmm... Add an entirely useless function as an "emotive" being, hahaha, breasts and emotion, lets just pile the feminine stereotypes onto one officer then, why not?



    Cisco, backed by a sexy trill and a freedom fighter with access to some good quality nautilis/pilates equipment, in a station with "Dabo" girls and "holo-suites." We're better than the Ferengi because we let our women wear clothes, this must be some kind of inverse politico-sartorial comment on Afganistan? I dunno.



    Janeway? Not given to dalliances, a prude, despite a shipful of lusty Maquis. But even there elements of the old formula keep coming back: A half-klingon engineer fighting back her desire for rough sex with a rougish boy-faced pilot. A sado-erotic cyborg ice queen with wipe and wear pants? These chicks need to swoon at the captain's daring, but unless we had a ship full of deep space lesbians, it wasn't about to happen. Instead we got a version of "Women in the work-place" for space explorers.



    Star-Trek is not sci-fi, it's science phantasy epic with all the anti-climatic troubles that technology brings to a screen writer's desk. Kirk, like Bond is an epic hero somewhere outsid of moral qualification. They fight for the "good" and are so beyond other men in skill and fortune that we forgive them both murder and sexcapades. They are greater than us in every sense, and they have greater appetites too. Appetites that might give them trouble here and there, but for which they show an uncanny mastery. They can bang the hot chick, but they can turn her down in mid-boner too, long after your dick has switched off your average brain.



    It's a hard series to write 'cause technology is always there to get you out of jam -- the antithesis of science fiction. So, if you're a writer you restore drama by making technology at least temporarily fail. But in the end, you get a boys and their toys fantasy epic, not science fiction. It's a lot more like bond than anyone here may care to admit. How many women watch Stat-Trek? That's why the formula is what it was. Women aren't that interested in it. You could supply a young Shatner (or God and my mother's generation only knows -- Ricardo Montoban) but basically it's all about a boy and his toys against the world. Men woudn't really care for Janeway, and neither would enouogh women to pick-up the slack. Hence the mid series addition of Seven, but that really isn't enough. We want to live vicariously through the captain. Us, the boys, because there aren't enough closet transexuals to make a female captain interesting to traditional viewer base.



    And women aren't any less sexist. They'll tolerate Janeway, but not as a captain. We'd have to see her in romance, more space-Harlequin heroine, than as a cold leader of men. But a tryst or two with the men on board would pull few women for sci-tech is perhaps the least preferred venue of the female audience, you need glitz and glamour, or historical/pastoral/chivalrous etc etc for that schtick to work.



    DS9 was doomed from the moment they chose the captain and crew. A female captain could work, but not with the kind of formula they were writing.



    See, it ain't all nonsense, it just looks that way.
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