FIRESIDE forum will return to AppleOutsider

drewpropsdrewprops
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
This thread was brought back on the anniversary of the merger of Fireside Chat and AppleOutsider...hop down to the end to post your thoughts on how you think the merger has gone! Now, on with the show!





Just in case you folks who frequent AppleOutside don't know it, the plan is for the forum "Fireside Chat" to be terminated in less than a week. I rarely visited that forum but it was a great outlet for people who wanted to argue politics/religion/etcetera....the best part is that it freed AppleOutsider to stick with lighter non-Apple topics.



I just thought I should mention the fact that this forum will soon be absorbing that more contentious forum and that the "lighter" topics usually found here may soon be intermingled with heavier stuff.



So now you know.



I personally wish that they'd leave it be, but I'm not a mod and don't know the crap that they've had to put up with there. Maybe they'll lock religious/political threads that will show up in AppleOutsider now? That'll be fun to navigate through all those locked threads~



Anyway....
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  • Reply 1 of 58
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    I am happy one one side to see FC/EN vanish, because every thread in here turned into a flamefest; no matter what the topic was.



    On the other side, I'm sad, because now all that steam gets back to AO, which was very peaceful during FC-times. (example #1)



    :sigh:
  • Reply 2 of 58
    _ alliance __ alliance _ Posts: 2,070member
    why...?
  • Reply 3 of 58
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    AO will not change. It will absorb nothing.



    This is not a forum for political/religious flamewars. Now you get to go somewhere else.



    There has always been the occassional political thread, but those of you who feed on flamewars get to tone it down or find a new soapbox.
  • Reply 4 of 58
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    [quote]Originally posted by groverat:

    <strong>AO will not change. It will absorb nothing.



    This is not a forum for political/religious flamewars. Now you get to go somewhere else.



    There has always been the occassional political thread, but those of you who feed on flamewars get to tone it down or find a new soapbox. </strong><hr></blockquote>How do you feel about that groverat? What percent of your 4,000 posts (and your thousands on the old AI) have been in political/religious-type threads. 90%?



    I don't like some of our more obnoxious members here, but it'll be hard to stay interested if it's just going to be fluff about movies and such.
  • Reply 5 of 58
    trevormtrevorm Posts: 841member
    I hope that AO is not destroyed because of the type of crap that occured in FSC which I am happy to see go.Very Happy!
  • Reply 6 of 58
    shawnpatrickjoyceshawnpatrickjoyce Posts: 2,417member
    <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
  • Reply 7 of 58
    spaceman_spiffspaceman_spiff Posts: 1,242member
    [quote]Originally posted by groverat:



    <strong>AO will not change. It will absorb nothing.



    ... Now you get to go somewhere else.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yep. AO has come out against free speech. Too bad really.
  • Reply 8 of 58
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by trevorM:

    <strong>I hope that AO is not destroyed because of the type of crap that occured in FSC which I am happy to see go.Very Happy!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    i have a bad feeling it won't be good though...
  • Reply 9 of 58
    ibrowseibrowse Posts: 1,749member
    I went in FC everynow and then, but I enjoyed reading threads in AO for a while without every single one ending in:

    "No you're wrong"

    "You're stupid"

    LOCK



    Well, that's horribely over exaggeratted, but I still liked them seperated.

    meh.
  • Reply 10 of 58
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    Now that is one swell job of quoting there, spaceman_spiff. Just leave out the part you don?t want people to see.



    Let?s quote the entire post:



    [quote]AO will not change. It will absorb nothing.



    This is not a forum for political/religious flamewars. Now you get to go somewhere else.



    There has always been the occassional political thread, but those of you who feed on flamewars get to tone it down or find a new soapbox. <hr></blockquote>



    If you want to discuss democrats, or whether god exists, that?s fine. These threads normally ended up getting nasty, with personal insults hurled at everyone. That won?t happen in Apple Outsider. The posting guidelines will be enforced much more now than they were in FC.



    Discussions? Fine. Flamewars? Move along, please.







    [ 12-27-2002: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
  • Reply 11 of 58
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    I can't say I disagree with the sentiment that FSC ended as nothing more than a flame-fest. But part of that is a direct result of what the forum focused on as subject-matter. Whether you're talking on a web forum or in a focus group or just at a neighborhood party - people *always* get testy and defensive when others counter their religious and political views.



    How could we create a forum that was dedicated to religion and politics, and expect anything other than that? On the web, people are more likely to blow their top when arguiing about sensitive issues, not less likely. IOW, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that when you dedicate a forum to religion and politics, you're inviting flame wars.



    What I don't understand with this case is, will religious and political debates be allowed in AO? It sounds like they will, with the intention of the moderators to be somewhat heavy-handed in their oversight of the discussions. I can tell you right now, if you allow religious and political threads while moderating them "to the letter of the law", you will end up booting a lot of people.



    To me the solution is one of two things. You can more strictly enforce FSC rules and let the forum persist. IOW, delete (rather than lock) any thread that becomes a flame war. This keeps the "lock clutter" down in the main page, and if you keep a list of deleted threads with each linked to a short explanation of why it was removed, you've at least shown you didn't act arbitrarily.



    Otherwisem, you should not allow religous or political debates at all (in AO or anywhere else). You can't go "half way" with these types of issues IMO. You either let people have at it and totally disallow the really inappropriate stuff, or you simply remove the topics from your boards all together and let people go pay to be on the Ars Soapbox - or something like that.
  • Reply 12 of 58
    burningwheelburningwheel Posts: 1,827member
    it's totally ridiculeous to combine FC and AO <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 13 of 58
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    [quote]Originally posted by burningwheel:

    <strong>it's totally ridiculeous to combine FC and AO <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, how was it possible for the three years of AI before FellowshipChurchiBook showed up?
  • Reply 14 of 58
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    [quote]AO has come out against free speech. Too bad really.<hr></blockquote>



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    I had a lot of posts in FC, yeah, and I don't mind seeing it go away.



    If you find any of my posts offensive or in violation of the posting guidelines, please feel free to contact a moderator or administrator.
  • Reply 15 of 58
    pfflampfflam Posts: 5,053member
    I just can't help but think one of two things about this whole thing...well, make that three, no, four:



    1. lack of courage on the part of the mods

    2. there is some tech issue having to do with bandwidth that I don't understand

    3. sombuddees wittle feewings got hurtzypoopoo

    4. somebodies mother-in-law just moved in to stay.
  • Reply 16 of 58
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    1. Sure. Wouldn't leaving FC alone, even though it's turning into a hate filled joke of a forum, be more cowardly? At least something is being attempted to improve these boards.



    2. No.



    3. Funny guy. Please, don't stop.



    4. Oh, even funnier. Give this guy a hand.
  • Reply 17 of 58
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    [quote]Originally posted by pfflam:

    <strong>I just can't help but think one of two things about this whole thing...well, make that three, no, four:



    1. lack of courage on the part of the mods</strong><hr></blockquote>

    not courage... more like ambition/time

    more like they don't care all that much... its not like they get paid you know...



    the thing is it &lt;&lt;rampant flaming&gt;&gt; is so rampant in FC because it has almost become accepted... It is very hard to reverse this behavior... the best option is to get rid of FC altogether and start over again in AO...



    they are trying to remove this stigma created by having a separate "thick skinned" forum by getting rid of FC and merging it with the more civil AO

    [quote]Originally posted by pfflam:

    <strong>2. there is some tech issue having to do with bandwidth that I don't understand</strong><hr></blockquote>

    don't be ridiculous <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

    [quote]Originally posted by pfflam:

    <strong>3. sombuddees wittle feewings got hurtzypoopoo</strong><hr></blockquote> ummmm... no, it has just gotten out of hand

    [quote]Originally posted by pfflam:

    <strong>4. somebodies mother-in-law just moved in to stay.</strong><hr></blockquote> :confused: is that supposed to be a joke?

    does it make sense to anyone else other then yourself?
  • Reply 18 of 58
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    [quote]Originally posted by groverat:

    <strong>I had a lot of posts in FC, yeah, and I don't mind seeing it go away.



    If you find any of my posts offensive or in violation of the posting guidelines, please feel free to contact a moderator or administrator.</strong><hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    Forgive me for not going through the appropriate channels in addressing a mod.
  • Reply 19 of 58
    pfflampfflam Posts: 5,053member
    [quote]Originally posted by murbot:

    <strong>1. Sure. Wouldn't leaving FC alone, even though it's turning into a hate filled joke of a forum, be more cowardly? At least something is being attempted to improve these boards.



    2. No.



    3. Funny guy. Please, don't stop.



    4. Oh, even funnier. Give this guy a hand.</strong><hr></blockquote>uhhh...welll...they seemed funny at the time . .



    ANyway, what I don't get is this: if none of you mods went there and nobody else did unless they wanted to engage in that kind of debate, and, if it isn't a tech matter, then what's the deal?



    I guess I just feel a little of what the conservatives feel when they say that the big-government is telling them how to live . . .its no big deal, I try to be civil when I can
  • Reply 20 of 58
    drewpropsdrewprops Posts: 2,321member
    I never went to FC after the first couple of times I posted there because I've not felt compelled to try to change people's minds via the internet.



    The reason for closing FC that rings most true is that it's just too big a bother to play referee to a bunch of hotheads. I wouldn't personally want to have that reponsibility.



    I still think that leaving it as a lightning rod is a very good thing for EVERY OTHER forum on AppleInsider.



    That's all.



    We could keep arguing about this, but it's still going away so I figure we should move along to other threads......right?
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