If Apple updates the Touch at this time I have a one-word explanation for that timing - V-I-T-A.
The handheld that sold 72,000 units in its second week of existence? The handheld that sold fewer units that week than the PSP? The one that the 3DS is trouncing all up and down the boardwalk?
Apple will never make a 7" iPad, however they will make a 7" iPod, which is what will happen. The iPod Touch already owns the $200 price point, just right for a bigger screen iPod Touch.
I think that seems more likely but you put yourself in a hole by saying never. We can deduce potential routes a company might take and be right most of the time but there are plenty of things we can't know that go into make a decision.
Doesn't Pegatron also manufacture in China? I think this has more to do with not putting too much of your manufacturing in the hands of one company (Foxconn), which also helps to stimulate a little price competition between suppliers. I've noticed over the past few years that supply chain leaks in the end tend to be the most reliable source of future product information.
I've no idea why 7.85". Seems too close to the current 9.7" iPad but I'm sure there is a reason. Maybe instead of a genuine tweener device this is just a slightly smaller iPad with a lower price to compete with the Kindle. Same principle as the they do with the MacBooks - 13" versus 15", etc.
7.85" is not close to 9.7" - we're working on a square law to get area from a dimension.
7.85" diagonal (although 81% of 9.7") gives a screen area of 65% of the current iPad.
There is in fact a significant difference between this and the 7" form factor - which is only 50% of the current iPad screen size. Essentially two-thirds verse half the area.
Would like to see this for car audio applications. Double din is 4x7 with a 8.06" diagonal. Most modern cars have double din head units so adding this would be easy to implement. I've been wanting to see this for a while, car manufactures make gps systems that rarely if ever get updates and they have clunky interfaces. I could see OEM's adding this to cars from the factory too, why invest millions in making your own interface when you can use apple instead?
I don't think apple will make a 7" iPad, but they could do an iOS based Car Stereo with that rumored screen. Apple was recently hiring engineers with knowledge related to that industry besides, fall is more about music and unveiling an iPodCar sounds more likely
3M reportedly tapped to supply sandpaper for Apple's rumored 7.85-inch iPad!
Why does someone always bring this up whenever this topic comes up?
It was a joke. Part of the marketing hoopla to deflect attention away from the emerging 7" tablets and to demonstrate how a 9.7" screen size was much better.
Do you get a supply of sandpaper with the iPhone & iPod? How can it be that people are able to use the 3.5" screens with their fingers. Surely not.
Why does someone always bring this up whenever this topic comes up?
Because it holds true.
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It was a joke. Part of the marketing hoopla to deflect attention away from the emerging 7" tablets and to demonstrate how a 9.7" screen size was much better.
No, it wasn't. It was a serious comment.
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Do you get a supply of sandpaper with the iPhone & iPod? How can it be that people are able to use the 3.5" screens with their fingers. Surely not.
I can only assume you're pretending not to understand the inherent differences in these devices.
The sandpaper quip from Steve set off my RDF alert.
Didn't buy it then...don't buy it now.
That's why I always admired Steve Notes. He'd sell us on the most inane concepts and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. But he was persuasive and was going to swing for the fences on whatever he needed to do.
I had no doubt that he'd deliver a smaller tablet for the masses. Apple's ethos has always been "The computer for the rest of us"
Steve was just not going to accept the current pre-dominant 7" form factor which is really made for video playback devices.
Further analysis of the SMB market depicts 34 percent of iPad users as ?tech-savvy and financially successful.? The larger portion of the segment, approximately 72 percent, portrays iPad users in the SMB market as college educated with an annual household income of $176,000. Moreover, their small businesses have existed about 28 years and have an average $9.2 million in annual sales.
The sandpaper quip from Steve set off my RDF alert.
Didn't buy it then...don't buy it now.
Steve wasn't wrong. He said that the current 7" tablets were DOA. A bit hyperbolic but they certainly didn't fare well on the market.
He also made that comment about sanding down your fingers when they already had 3.5" iOS-based devices on the market for 4 years. Clearly didn't mean that 7" was impossible. If you look at the 7" tablets running Honeycomb it's the same UI as Honeycomb tablets that are 10". That's the problem!
Jobs also comments on Apple understanding this market very well and eluded to needing to change the UI if you change the size of the display. There is no one-size-fits-all solution like you have with a windowed OS.. and even you still have limitations.
PS: I detailed in another thread how the icons would be too small if you just shrunk the iPad to half the area. I also showed that enlarging the area by 4x from the iPod Touch display (one half the size of the iPad's area) would get you an icon size that is halfway between iOS for iPhone/Touch and iOS for iPad.
I don't think apple will make a 7" iPad, but they could do an iOS based Car Stereo with that rumored screen. Apple was recently hiring engineers with knowledge related to that industry besides, fall is more about music and unveiling an iPodCar sounds more likely
Yes, because how great would it be to have an audio system in your car with a touch screen, and not tactile controls, so you have to be looking at the screen to use it instead of watching the road!
Yes, because how great would it be to have an audio system in your car with a touch screen, and not tactile controls, so you have to be looking at the screen to use it instead of watching the road!
This could be where a feedback system would work. They wouldn't have to worry about power needs like they would in a wireless device. I wouldn't expect an after-market solution though so buttons on the steering wheel would included.
Steve wasn't wrong. He said that the current 7" tablets were DOA. A bit hyperbolic but they certainly didn't fare well on the market.
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He was correct but not because consumers showed much a preference for size. Samsung readily admits their sales of the Galaxy Tab 10" tablets are in the toilet.
The triumph here was iOS. It was ready to go on a tablet when Android could only compete with a blown up OS tailored for phones.
It was the software the really dictated iPad success and likely Apple would have been successful with a smaller iPad as well.
Yes, because how great would it be to have an audio system in your car with a touch screen, and not tactile controls, so you have to be looking at the screen to use it instead of watching the road!
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This could be where a feedback system would work. They wouldn't have to worry about power needs like they would in a wireless device. I wouldn't expect an after-market solution though so buttons on the steering wheel would included.
Are you guys crazy? Tactile feedback on the touchscreen? Buttons on the steering wheel?
WE HAVE SIRI. BUILD SIRI INTO CARS AND JUST TALK TO YOUR CAR. It's the ULTIMATE in hands-free.
No buttons to hit at all, just have it always listening for the comment delineator (its name).
"Siri, give me directions to the nearest Carl's Jr. It's three in the morning and I have a hankering for not food."
*ding-ding* "Okay, I'll tell you directions to the nearest Carl's Jr."
(This sentence is spoken during the processing time where the car gets your location via GPS, gets the location of the restaurant from the database, and is calculating the route. By the time the sentence is spoken, the data is queued up and Siri starts giving directions immediately.)
Siri: "Turn left at the next stop light. Once you do that, I'll tell you where to go next."
He was correct but not because consumers showed much a preference for size. Samsung readily admits their sales of the Galaxy Tab 10" tablets are in the toilet.
The triumph here was iOS. It was ready to go on a tablet when Android could only compete with a blown up OS tailored for phones.
It was the software the really dictated iPad success and likely Apple would have been successful with a smaller iPad as well.
iOS was the key which is why I was saying for years ? usually against Ireland on this board ? that it won't be Mac OS and probably a version of iOS using CocoaTouch with a UI designed for the display. I am applying the same rationale. It will be a UI designed for each display size.
I don't think Jobs ever said that 7" or non-9.7" devices could work. I think the only thing he mentioned was that they decided that 9.7" 4:3 was the most ideal option... not the only option.
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Are you guys crazy? Tactile feedback on the touchscreen? Buttons on the steering wheel?
WE HAVE SIRI. BUILD SIRI INTO CARS AND JUST TALK TO YOUR CAR.
No buttons to hit at all, just have it always listening for the comment delineator (its name).
"Siri, give me directions to the nearest Carl's Jr. It's three in the morning and I have a hankering for not food."
*ding-ding* "Okay, I'll tell you directions to the nearest Carl's Jr."
(This sentence is spoken during the processing time where the car gets your location via GPS, gets the location of the restaurant from the database, and is calculating the route. By the time the sentence is spoken, the data is queued up and Siri starts giving directions immediately.)
Siri: "Turn left at the next stop light. Once you do that, I'll tell you where to go next."
I think we are a long way off from an always-on system that listens to your voice and knows when you are addressing it.
iPod have a defined category. They primarily play music. The Touch is really the only iPod that can surf the internet, check email etc.
iPads are tablets they read books, play music, web surf and run apps.
There is absolutely no foundation for calling a 7" device an iPod.
What's the difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size?
If you read Apple's own website and look at the "Features" section for both products there isn't much of a difference: music, videos, games, photos, internet, apps, facetime, etc.
It essentially comes down to portability versus usability. The iPod is more portable but you can do a lot more on the iPad.
If they are going to launch a 7" device in Sept/Oct one might expect it to be marketed as an iPod given the annual iPod refresh around that time, but it's by no means certain. It's just as likely that they will create an entirely new product based around a combination of both elements and call it something entirely new like the iPlay.
What's the difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size?
If you read Apple's own website and look at the "Features" section for both products there isn't much of a difference: music, videos, games, photos, internet, apps, facetime, etc.
It essentially comes down to portability versus usability. The iPod is more portable but you can do a lot more on the iPad.
If they are going to launch a 7" device in Sept/Oct one might expect it to be marketed as an iPod given the annual iPod refresh around that time, but it's by no means certain. It's just as likely that they will create an entirely new product based around a combination of both elements and call it something entirely new like the iPlay.
There are lots of HW differences, for starters. Even the aspect ratios are different.
On the SW side there are a lot of differences, too. You've only listed apps that have been made for both devices but if you look at the apps they look and feel different when that best effects the user experience.
What's the difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size? iPad offer more multi finger gestures. iPad UI has more popover and different UI elements that take advantage of more screen real estate.
If you read Apple's own website and look at the "Features" section for both products there isn't much of a difference: music, videos, games, photos, internet, apps, facetime, etc.
It essentially comes down to portability versus usability. The iPod is more portable but you can do a lot more on the iPad.
If they are going to launch a 7" device in Sept/Oct one might expect it to be marketed as an iPod given the annual iPod refresh around that time, but it's by no means certain. It's just as likely that they will create an entirely new product based around a combination of both elements and call it something entirely new like the iPlay.
iPod Touch Safari presents itself as a mobile device for Web sites. iPad presents itself as a full browser.
iPod marketing is about playing back music. I still run into people that don't know iPod Touch can surf the web and do other PDA things
Marketing isn't about date it's about how the customer will perceive your product by appearance and name. Apple has billions pumped into iPod marketing and few people will forget the dancing silhouettes holding their iPod.
Apple can call it whatever they want but the iPad brand is hot right now and calling it an iPod makes very little sense when you're talking about a device that people are less likely to carry around like a music player.
Creating a new product category means educating the public about how this product differs from existing product. That cost a lot of money. It makes more sense to leverage the billions in marketing that you've already paid.
Call it an iPod ..but then people will expect it to be highly portable and focused on music.
Call it and iPad and they'll understand that it's a more general purpose device.
Call it something else and spend millions and hours telling people what exactly the device is and what it's supposed to do only to be told "why didn't you just call it and iPad?"
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If Apple updates the Touch at this time I have a one-word explanation for that timing - V-I-T-A.
The handheld that sold 72,000 units in its second week of existence? The handheld that sold fewer units that week than the PSP? The one that the 3DS is trouncing all up and down the boardwalk?
Apple will never make a 7" iPad, however they will make a 7" iPod, which is what will happen. The iPod Touch already owns the $200 price point, just right for a bigger screen iPod Touch.
I think that seems more likely but you put yourself in a hole by saying never. We can deduce potential routes a company might take and be right most of the time but there are plenty of things we can't know that go into make a decision.
Where are you guys coming up with this stuff?
Clearly you've never worked in marketing before.
iPod have a defined category. They primarily play music. The Touch is really the only iPod that can surf the internet, check email etc.
iPads are tablets they read books, play music, web surf and run apps.
There is absolutely no foundation for calling a 7" device an iPod.
Unless you call it an iPod Touch. Oops. There goes your argument.
Doesn't Pegatron also manufacture in China? I think this has more to do with not putting too much of your manufacturing in the hands of one company (Foxconn), which also helps to stimulate a little price competition between suppliers. I've noticed over the past few years that supply chain leaks in the end tend to be the most reliable source of future product information.
I've no idea why 7.85". Seems too close to the current 9.7" iPad but I'm sure there is a reason. Maybe instead of a genuine tweener device this is just a slightly smaller iPad with a lower price to compete with the Kindle. Same principle as the they do with the MacBooks - 13" versus 15", etc.
7.85" is not close to 9.7" - we're working on a square law to get area from a dimension.
7.85" diagonal (although 81% of 9.7") gives a screen area of 65% of the current iPad.
There is in fact a significant difference between this and the 7" form factor - which is only 50% of the current iPad screen size. Essentially two-thirds verse half the area.
Would like to see this for car audio applications. Double din is 4x7 with a 8.06" diagonal. Most modern cars have double din head units so adding this would be easy to implement. I've been wanting to see this for a while, car manufactures make gps systems that rarely if ever get updates and they have clunky interfaces. I could see OEM's adding this to cars from the factory too, why invest millions in making your own interface when you can use apple instead?
I don't think apple will make a 7" iPad, but they could do an iOS based Car Stereo with that rumored screen. Apple was recently hiring engineers with knowledge related to that industry
Unless you call it an iPod Touch. Oops. There goes your argument.
The point was the iPod Touch is an anathema to an iPod lineup where %75 of the lineup is heavily skewed towards music playback.
Apple could call it whatever they want but at this point the simple question is "What brand is hotter right now..the iPod? brand or the iPad? brand?"
3M reportedly tapped to supply sandpaper for Apple's rumored 7.85-inch iPad!
Why does someone always bring this up whenever this topic comes up?
It was a joke. Part of the marketing hoopla to deflect attention away from the emerging 7" tablets and to demonstrate how a 9.7" screen size was much better.
Do you get a supply of sandpaper with the iPhone & iPod? How can it be that people are able to use the 3.5" screens with their fingers. Surely not.
Why does someone always bring this up whenever this topic comes up?
Because it holds true.
It was a joke. Part of the marketing hoopla to deflect attention away from the emerging 7" tablets and to demonstrate how a 9.7" screen size was much better.
No, it wasn't. It was a serious comment.
Do you get a supply of sandpaper with the iPhone & iPod? How can it be that people are able to use the 3.5" screens with their fingers. Surely not.
I can only assume you're pretending not to understand the inherent differences in these devices.
Didn't buy it then...don't buy it now.
That's why I always admired Steve Notes. He'd sell us on the most inane concepts and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. But he was persuasive and was going to swing for the fences on whatever he needed to do.
I had no doubt that he'd deliver a smaller tablet for the masses. Apple's ethos has always been "The computer for the rest of us"
Steve was just not going to accept the current pre-dominant 7" form factor which is really made for video playback devices.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/03/05/study-...arket-in-2011/
Further analysis of the SMB market depicts 34 percent of iPad users as ?tech-savvy and financially successful.? The larger portion of the segment, approximately 72 percent, portrays iPad users in the SMB market as college educated with an annual household income of $176,000. Moreover, their small businesses have existed about 28 years and have an average $9.2 million in annual sales.
big emerging market
The sandpaper quip from Steve set off my RDF alert.
Didn't buy it then...don't buy it now.
Steve wasn't wrong. He said that the current 7" tablets were DOA. A bit hyperbolic but they certainly didn't fare well on the market.
He also made that comment about sanding down your fingers when they already had 3.5" iOS-based devices on the market for 4 years. Clearly didn't mean that 7" was impossible. If you look at the 7" tablets running Honeycomb it's the same UI as Honeycomb tablets that are 10". That's the problem!
Jobs also comments on Apple understanding this market very well and eluded to needing to change the UI if you change the size of the display. There is no one-size-fits-all solution like you have with a windowed OS.. and even you still have limitations.
PS: I detailed in another thread how the icons would be too small if you just shrunk the iPad to half the area. I also showed that enlarging the area by 4x from the iPod Touch display (one half the size of the iPad's area) would get you an icon size that is halfway between iOS for iPhone/Touch and iOS for iPad.
I don't think apple will make a 7" iPad, but they could do an iOS based Car Stereo with that rumored screen. Apple was recently hiring engineers with knowledge related to that industry
Yes, because how great would it be to have an audio system in your car with a touch screen, and not tactile controls, so you have to be looking at the screen to use it instead of watching the road!
Yes, because how great would it be to have an audio system in your car with a touch screen, and not tactile controls, so you have to be looking at the screen to use it instead of watching the road!
This could be where a feedback system would work. They wouldn't have to worry about power needs like they would in a wireless device. I wouldn't expect an after-market solution though so buttons on the steering wheel would included.
Steve wasn't wrong. He said that the current 7" tablets were DOA. A bit hyperbolic but they certainly didn't fare well on the market.
.
He was correct but not because consumers showed much a preference for size. Samsung readily admits their sales of the Galaxy Tab 10" tablets are in the toilet.
The triumph here was iOS. It was ready to go on a tablet when Android could only compete with a blown up OS tailored for phones.
It was the software the really dictated iPad success and likely Apple would have been successful with a smaller iPad as well.
Yes, because how great would it be to have an audio system in your car with a touch screen, and not tactile controls, so you have to be looking at the screen to use it instead of watching the road!
This could be where a feedback system would work. They wouldn't have to worry about power needs like they would in a wireless device. I wouldn't expect an after-market solution though so buttons on the steering wheel would included.
Are you guys crazy? Tactile feedback on the touchscreen? Buttons on the steering wheel?
WE HAVE SIRI. BUILD SIRI INTO CARS AND JUST TALK TO YOUR CAR. It's the ULTIMATE in hands-free.
No buttons to hit at all, just have it always listening for the comment delineator (its name).
"Siri, give me directions to the nearest Carl's Jr. It's three in the morning and I have a hankering for not food."
*ding-ding* "Okay, I'll tell you directions to the nearest Carl's Jr."
(This sentence is spoken during the processing time where the car gets your location via GPS, gets the location of the restaurant from the database, and is calculating the route. By the time the sentence is spoken, the data is queued up and Siri starts giving directions immediately.)
Siri: "Turn left at the next stop light. Once you do that, I'll tell you where to go next."
He was correct but not because consumers showed much a preference for size. Samsung readily admits their sales of the Galaxy Tab 10" tablets are in the toilet.
The triumph here was iOS. It was ready to go on a tablet when Android could only compete with a blown up OS tailored for phones.
It was the software the really dictated iPad success and likely Apple would have been successful with a smaller iPad as well.
iOS was the key which is why I was saying for years ? usually against Ireland on this board ? that it won't be Mac OS and probably a version of iOS using CocoaTouch with a UI designed for the display. I am applying the same rationale. It will be a UI designed for each display size.
I don't think Jobs ever said that 7" or non-9.7" devices could work. I think the only thing he mentioned was that they decided that 9.7" 4:3 was the most ideal option... not the only option.
Are you guys crazy? Tactile feedback on the touchscreen? Buttons on the steering wheel?
WE HAVE SIRI. BUILD SIRI INTO CARS AND JUST TALK TO YOUR CAR.
No buttons to hit at all, just have it always listening for the comment delineator (its name).
"Siri, give me directions to the nearest Carl's Jr. It's three in the morning and I have a hankering for not food."
*ding-ding* "Okay, I'll tell you directions to the nearest Carl's Jr."
(This sentence is spoken during the processing time where the car gets your location via GPS, gets the location of the restaurant from the database, and is calculating the route. By the time the sentence is spoken, the data is queued up and Siri starts giving directions immediately.)
Siri: "Turn left at the next stop light. Once you do that, I'll tell you where to go next."
I think we are a long way off from an always-on system that listens to your voice and knows when you are addressing it.
Where are you guys coming up with this stuff?
Clearly you've never worked in marketing before.
iPod have a defined category. They primarily play music. The Touch is really the only iPod that can surf the internet, check email etc.
iPads are tablets they read books, play music, web surf and run apps.
There is absolutely no foundation for calling a 7" device an iPod.
What's the difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size?
If you read Apple's own website and look at the "Features" section for both products there isn't much of a difference: music, videos, games, photos, internet, apps, facetime, etc.
It essentially comes down to portability versus usability. The iPod is more portable but you can do a lot more on the iPad.
If they are going to launch a 7" device in Sept/Oct one might expect it to be marketed as an iPod given the annual iPod refresh around that time, but it's by no means certain. It's just as likely that they will create an entirely new product based around a combination of both elements and call it something entirely new like the iPlay.
What's the difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size?
If you read Apple's own website and look at the "Features" section for both products there isn't much of a difference: music, videos, games, photos, internet, apps, facetime, etc.
It essentially comes down to portability versus usability. The iPod is more portable but you can do a lot more on the iPad.
If they are going to launch a 7" device in Sept/Oct one might expect it to be marketed as an iPod given the annual iPod refresh around that time, but it's by no means certain. It's just as likely that they will create an entirely new product based around a combination of both elements and call it something entirely new like the iPlay.
There are lots of HW differences, for starters. Even the aspect ratios are different.
On the SW side there are a lot of differences, too. You've only listed apps that have been made for both devices but if you look at the apps they look and feel different when that best effects the user experience.
Because it holds true.
No, it wasn't. It was a serious comment.
I can only assume you're pretending not to understand the inherent differences in these devices.
No it doen't hold true. It can use an iPod without sanding my fingers down.
Do please explain what the difference is between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size?
What's the difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad apart from the screen size? iPad offer more multi finger gestures. iPad UI has more popover and different UI elements that take advantage of more screen real estate.
If you read Apple's own website and look at the "Features" section for both products there isn't much of a difference: music, videos, games, photos, internet, apps, facetime, etc.
It essentially comes down to portability versus usability. The iPod is more portable but you can do a lot more on the iPad.
If they are going to launch a 7" device in Sept/Oct one might expect it to be marketed as an iPod given the annual iPod refresh around that time, but it's by no means certain. It's just as likely that they will create an entirely new product based around a combination of both elements and call it something entirely new like the iPlay.
iPod Touch Safari presents itself as a mobile device for Web sites. iPad presents itself as a full browser.
iPod marketing is about playing back music. I still run into people that don't know iPod Touch can surf the web and do other PDA things
Marketing isn't about date it's about how the customer will perceive your product by appearance and name. Apple has billions pumped into iPod marketing and few people will forget the dancing silhouettes holding their iPod.
Apple can call it whatever they want but the iPad brand is hot right now and calling it an iPod makes very little sense when you're talking about a device that people are less likely to carry around like a music player.
Creating a new product category means educating the public about how this product differs from existing product. That cost a lot of money. It makes more sense to leverage the billions in marketing that you've already paid.