You say China is not a friend. And you say France is. I disagree. With friends like that, we don't need enemies.
France did not help in the fight against Hitler..</strong><hr></blockquote>
False, France did fight against Hitler and loss. This is a well known history
[quote] She bucked out of NATO to pursue her own imperialist designs, and still does <hr></blockquote>
France is not outside of NATO, she is outside the unified commandement. France has no more colonies, and thus cannot qualified as an imperialist countrie. Or in these case, we should consider that USA is a giant empire.
[quote] China today is what India was 20 years ago. The ?communist? there are on their last legs, and are ?communist? practically in name only. <hr></blockquote>
Wrong even if China want to liberate the economy, it's still a dictatorship in the pure tradition of the communists. Collegial management of the countrie, weight of the police and the party, lack of respect of the basic freedoom rights, invasion of the tiwan ...
[quote] they?re probably just as communist today as are the French <hr></blockquote>
Interesting notion, France is rule by the right or conservatives nowdays. Even if the french right looks like more the US liberals than the republicans, i can hardly call them commies.
[quote] She pioneered appeasement of the Islamic world <hr></blockquote>
As pioneered US too, except in Afghanistan, a countrie where France was involved too, like in Iraq ten years ago. Bush himself said during the war against Afghanistan that it was not a war against Islam. Even if US is a strong supporter of Israel, he did not want a open conflict with islamic world.
I know only one people , who wants a war against Islam : it's Osama Bin Laden.
[quote] It isn?t coincidental that many Europeans were cheering 9/11 in their pubs <hr></blockquote>
wrong
Some people cheers, it was non educated muslims peoples who never go in pub (there is no pub where they live). The overall majoritie of french people where astonized by 9/11. Since 9/11, there is great relationships between french and US firemen.
perhaps more people cheers secretly in Israel, if you consider the number of muslim poeple among the isreelians ( i don't speak of the palestinian).
[quote] They know they can?t compete with the US, and any set back to US is an advantage for them. It?s also no coincidence that these terrorists haven?t stuck Europe. Theirs is an obvious alliance. <hr></blockquote>
Wrong.
9/11 cause a word recession. Whenever US is in bad shape, Europe is in bad shape. It's quite normal, we live in a world economy, and US is the more important actor.
And many terrorist have stuck europe. Many are arrested, month after months. And France particulary has always been a target of the muslims extremists.
The last terrorist attack involved a french tanker in Yemen , and ten french engineer and technician where killed by Al Quaeda in Afghanistan.
Added a serious number of terrorist attack that have failed in France.
I have never heard so many Anti American sentiments coming from the students then I have in the last year. I have to constantly try and diffuse these dicussions before the students get too involved in emotional banter and move away from a real discussion.
The students I come into contact have a great hatred towards Americans. Many have parents who have lost jobs because of American illegal impositions of tarifs despite a free trade agreement. Many refuse to travel to the States, (some because they were born in "targetted countries" and must be fingerprinted upon entry even if they are Canadian citizens who have never committed any crimes), others because they do not feel that they would be safe.. not from terrorists but from Americans.
These Canadian students are America's neighbours. America's allies and suposed friends.
I can only wonder what America's enemies feel like.
Looking like Brutus from Popeye, I rekon you can sign me up for your army Hassan.... Bagsy be the mad one that dies!!! I need a new name though, Sonny isn't very 'gung ho' mad is it?
False, France did fight against Hitler and loss. This is a well known history
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Hahaha. You can?t be serious?!!
Well, I suppose you?re referring to as to who got to be on top in the bedroom, the German officer or the young French maidens. I believe the French assumed the missionary position. Or was it the doggy position?
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
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France is not outside of NATO, she is outside the unified commandement. France has no more colonies, and thus cannot qualified as an imperialist countrie. Or in these case, we should consider that USA is a giant empire.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
France was outside NATO. I?m not even going to argue this. She bucked out of NATO when NATO needed her most. That isn?t something new. One can never count on the French. They?ll always double cross you and thus stab you in the back. The allies counted on the French during WWII and because of this almost lost that war. The same in Vietnam. I hope ppl learn their lessons, and leave France out of any planning. One should never EVER count on the French for anything.
As far as France?s Imperialist designs, France lost some of assets abroad because ppl could see what a bunch of selfish whores the French politicians are. But there are still some assets in Africa and the Middle East.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
Wrong even if China want to liberate the economy, it's still a dictatorship in the pure tradition of the communists. Collegial management of the countrie, weight of the police and the party, lack of respect of the basic freedoom rights, invasion of the tiwan ...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Since when do the French care about human rights? You guys were very happy selling your Peugeot and Citroën rust buckets to Saddam even after the Gulf War. Not to mention the nuclear reactor you?ve built for him. Your government will sell anything and everything to those that are just willing to buy.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
Interesting notion, France is rule by the right or conservatives nowdays. Even if the french right looks like more the US liberals than the republicans, i can hardly call them commies.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was the point.
The French pretend to be something they?re not. Anyways, let them to their Arab socialist.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
As pioneered US too, except in Afghanistan, a countrie where France was involved too, like in Iraq ten years ago. Bush himself said during the war against Afghanistan that it was not a war against Islam. Even if US is a strong supporter of Israel, he did not want a open conflict with islamic world.
I know only one people , who wants a war against Islam : it's Osama Bin Laden.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Who the hell cares about what a politician says? Look to what he does.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
wrong
Some people cheers, it was non educated muslims peoples who never go in pub (there is no pub where they live). The overall majoritie of french people where astonized by _9/11. Since 9/11, there is great relationships between french and US firemen.
perhaps more people cheers secretly in Israel, if you consider the number of muslim poeple among the isreelians ( i don't speak of the palestinian).
</strong><hr></blockquote>
There?s a great number Arabs and Muslims in Israel that are nothing more than a fifth column trying to dismantle the state. Same in Europe and the States. I?d like something done about that, but the libi hippy liberals are in bed with the state department, who in turn is in bed with the Saudis.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
Wrong.
9/11 cause a word recession. Whenever US is in bad shape, Europe is in bad shape. It's quite normal, we live in a world economy, and US is the more important actor.
And many terrorist have stuck europe. Many are arrested, month after months. And France particulary has always been a target of the muslims extremists.
The last terrorist attack involved a french tanker in Yemen , and ten french engineer and technician where killed by Al Quaeda in Afghanistan.
Added a serious number of terrorist attack that have failed in France.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Was the "fleur de Lys" displayed prominently? That could have been the problem.
Hey, have you seen the Peugeot lately? Where is your israeli super-car btw...?
I want Peugeot to build the tanks to our army!
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: New ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually,
my dad owned a Peugeot 304 sedan in the 70?s. And I can tell you that even in Israel where they do Not salt the roads that car turned into a rust bucket fairly quickly. I guess it was the salty sea air that did it in. Although, I always found the front headlights on the Peugeot particularly appealing. Could be just childhood nostalgia.
Re: the Israeli super car..
It?ll run over the competition.
And New, is this considered the super car in for you ppl in Mongolia?
Comments
<strong>
You say China is not a friend. And you say France is. I disagree. With friends like that, we don't need enemies.
France did not help in the fight against Hitler..</strong><hr></blockquote>
False, France did fight against Hitler and loss. This is a well known history
[quote] She bucked out of NATO to pursue her own imperialist designs, and still does <hr></blockquote>
France is not outside of NATO, she is outside the unified commandement. France has no more colonies, and thus cannot qualified as an imperialist countrie. Or in these case, we should consider that USA is a giant empire.
[quote] China today is what India was 20 years ago. The ?communist? there are on their last legs, and are ?communist? practically in name only. <hr></blockquote>
Wrong even if China want to liberate the economy, it's still a dictatorship in the pure tradition of the communists. Collegial management of the countrie, weight of the police and the party, lack of respect of the basic freedoom rights, invasion of the tiwan ...
[quote] they?re probably just as communist today as are the French <hr></blockquote>
Interesting notion, France is rule by the right or conservatives nowdays. Even if the french right looks like more the US liberals than the republicans, i can hardly call them commies.
[quote] She pioneered appeasement of the Islamic world <hr></blockquote>
As pioneered US too, except in Afghanistan, a countrie where France was involved too, like in Iraq ten years ago. Bush himself said during the war against Afghanistan that it was not a war against Islam. Even if US is a strong supporter of Israel, he did not want a open conflict with islamic world.
I know only one people , who wants a war against Islam : it's Osama Bin Laden.
[quote] It isn?t coincidental that many Europeans were cheering 9/11 in their pubs <hr></blockquote>
wrong
Some people cheers, it was non educated muslims peoples who never go in pub (there is no pub where they live). The overall majoritie of french people where astonized by 9/11. Since 9/11, there is great relationships between french and US firemen.
perhaps more people cheers secretly in Israel, if you consider the number of muslim poeple among the isreelians ( i don't speak of the palestinian).
[quote] They know they can?t compete with the US, and any set back to US is an advantage for them. It?s also no coincidence that these terrorists haven?t stuck Europe. Theirs is an obvious alliance. <hr></blockquote>
Wrong.
9/11 cause a word recession. Whenever US is in bad shape, Europe is in bad shape. It's quite normal, we live in a world economy, and US is the more important actor.
And many terrorist have stuck europe. Many are arrested, month after months. And France particulary has always been a target of the muslims extremists.
The last terrorist attack involved a french tanker in Yemen , and ten french engineer and technician where killed by Al Quaeda in Afghanistan.
Added a serious number of terrorist attack that have failed in France.
I teach Highschool in Canada.
I have never heard so many Anti American sentiments coming from the students then I have in the last year. I have to constantly try and diffuse these dicussions before the students get too involved in emotional banter and move away from a real discussion.
The students I come into contact have a great hatred towards Americans. Many have parents who have lost jobs because of American illegal impositions of tarifs despite a free trade agreement. Many refuse to travel to the States, (some because they were born in "targetted countries" and must be fingerprinted upon entry even if they are Canadian citizens who have never committed any crimes), others because they do not feel that they would be safe.. not from terrorists but from Americans.
These Canadian students are America's neighbours. America's allies and suposed friends.
I can only wonder what America's enemies feel like.
<strong>
"You're either with us, or against us."</strong><hr></blockquote>
With us or with the terrorist. I guess it depends in the meaning of the word with huh?
This is a choice I'm not 'allowed' to make. That's what's so objectionable about 'you're either with us or against us.'
<strong>I'm not with the terrorists and I'm not with America either.
This is a choice I'm not 'allowed' to make. That's what's so objectionable about 'you're either with us or against us.'</strong><hr></blockquote>
Isolationist!!!!
I'm preparing myself for war. I have a rucksack, a camping stove, pots, pans, and a pair of Salomon fell-walking boots.
I am going to invade America.
I'll have to buy a big knife when I get to the States what with the restrictions on sharp objects on planes, of course.
And once I've bought America to its knees?
I'm going to invade Osama bin Laden.
We'll need a bit of kit, but logistics shouldn't be too much of a problem I don't think.
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: Hassan i Sabbah ]</p>
Please let me join.
No-one could dare accuse us of isolationism, at least.
<strong>Can I join your army, Hassan?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought it was ?first we take Manhattan *then* we take Berlin?. You leftist dodos do everything backwards.
edit: Crustibooga volunteered just as I was welcoming Mika. Booga, 'Sonny' is perfect for a mad person.
(Does anyone detect a ring of familiarity about all of this?)
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: Hassan i Sabbah ]</p>
<strong>
False, France did fight against Hitler and loss. This is a well known history
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hahaha. You can?t be serious?!!
Well, I suppose you?re referring to as to who got to be on top in the bedroom, the German officer or the young French maidens. I believe the French assumed the missionary position. Or was it the doggy position?
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
France is not outside of NATO, she is outside the unified commandement. France has no more colonies, and thus cannot qualified as an imperialist countrie. Or in these case, we should consider that USA is a giant empire.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
France was outside NATO. I?m not even going to argue this. She bucked out of NATO when NATO needed her most. That isn?t something new. One can never count on the French. They?ll always double cross you and thus stab you in the back. The allies counted on the French during WWII and because of this almost lost that war. The same in Vietnam. I hope ppl learn their lessons, and leave France out of any planning. One should never EVER count on the French for anything.
As far as France?s Imperialist designs, France lost some of assets abroad because ppl could see what a bunch of selfish whores the French politicians are. But there are still some assets in Africa and the Middle East.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
Wrong even if China want to liberate the economy, it's still a dictatorship in the pure tradition of the communists. Collegial management of the countrie, weight of the police and the party, lack of respect of the basic freedoom rights, invasion of the tiwan ...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Since when do the French care about human rights? You guys were very happy selling your Peugeot and Citroën rust buckets to Saddam even after the Gulf War. Not to mention the nuclear reactor you?ve built for him. Your government will sell anything and everything to those that are just willing to buy.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
Interesting notion, France is rule by the right or conservatives nowdays. Even if the french right looks like more the US liberals than the republicans, i can hardly call them commies.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was the point.
The French pretend to be something they?re not. Anyways, let them to their Arab socialist.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
As pioneered US too, except in Afghanistan, a countrie where France was involved too, like in Iraq ten years ago. Bush himself said during the war against Afghanistan that it was not a war against Islam. Even if US is a strong supporter of Israel, he did not want a open conflict with islamic world.
I know only one people , who wants a war against Islam : it's Osama Bin Laden.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Who the hell cares about what a politician says? Look to what he does.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
wrong
Some people cheers, it was non educated muslims peoples who never go in pub (there is no pub where they live). The overall majoritie of french people where astonized by _9/11. Since 9/11, there is great relationships between french and US firemen.
perhaps more people cheers secretly in Israel, if you consider the number of muslim poeple among the isreelians ( i don't speak of the palestinian).
</strong><hr></blockquote>
There?s a great number Arabs and Muslims in Israel that are nothing more than a fifth column trying to dismantle the state. Same in Europe and the States. I?d like something done about that, but the libi hippy liberals are in bed with the state department, who in turn is in bed with the Saudis.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>
Wrong.
9/11 cause a word recession. Whenever US is in bad shape, Europe is in bad shape. It's quite normal, we live in a world economy, and US is the more important actor.
And many terrorist have stuck europe. Many are arrested, month after months. And France particulary has always been a target of the muslims extremists.
The last terrorist attack involved a french tanker in Yemen , and ten french engineer and technician where killed by Al Quaeda in Afghanistan.
Added a serious number of terrorist attack that have failed in France.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Was the "fleur de Lys" displayed prominently? That could have been the problem.
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: zMench ]</p>
<strong>We need someone short now. And I get to be the hunky one. And someone has to go mad and then die.</strong><hr></blockquote>
***Me thinking really hard***
Then New is the Bow-man Lego-something?
<strong>
***Me thinking really hard***
Then New is the Bow-man Lego-something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
:eek: :eek: :eek:
This is scary
<a href="http://www.sanmothy.com/aicommunity/pics/new.jpg"; target="_blank">New</a>
<a href="http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1284/OrlandoBloom_DeGuire_298681_400.jpg"; target="_blank">Legolas alias</a>
A little PS and its the same person.
:eek:
Hey, have you seen the Peugeot lately? Where is your israeli super-car btw...?
I want Peugeot to build the tanks to our army!
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: New ]</p>
not sure i can be bothered to get into this anyway. (haven't got time, not now i'm planning an invasion of the world's only superpower.)
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: Hassan i Sabbah ]</p>
<strong>
Hey, have you seen the Peugeot lately? Where is your israeli super-car btw...?
I want Peugeot to build the tanks to our army!
[ 01-10-2003: Message edited by: New ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually,
my dad owned a Peugeot 304 sedan in the 70?s. And I can tell you that even in Israel where they do Not salt the roads that car turned into a rust bucket fairly quickly. I guess it was the salty sea air that did it in. Although, I always found the front headlights on the Peugeot particularly appealing. Could be just childhood nostalgia.
Re: the Israeli super car..
It?ll run over the competition.
And New, is this considered the super car in for you ppl in Mongolia?