I disagree with you about the ports being necessary on the laptop and also that the Thunderbolt Display is not the best way to go, but I agree about how easy it would be to have a regular selection of ports on the laptop if they so desired.
Even if this new laptop was only an eighth of an inch thicker than the 11" Air, there would be room for Ethernet and Ethernet is the tallest port of all.
I believe they will have an ethernet port and here why. Education. When I was teaching on campus an ethernet port was an absolute necessity because the campus is too large and spread out to have wireless everywhere. You need to tie into the school's main computer network and there was several ethernet ports wired on most wall.
It's been awhile since I was on a campus but I'm sure many campuses have not yet gone all wireless. Besides, the wires are already there and the school's budgets have been cut so I suppose IT would abandon the wired network only kicking and screaming. Apple is big into education and I believe they will keep the port on the MBPs awhile longer since it's the computer of choice with many teachers.
So Apple is going to launch Ivy Bridge CPUs and chipsets before Intel's original launch date, which has now been delayed by three weeks?
I just had an Intel rep tell me this morning that Ivy Bridge has been delayed until June, with a Lenovo rep sitting right next to him. Either Apple has quite the sweetheart deal with Intel, or this rumor's timeframe is garbage.
Are you still up in arms because the Mac pro doesn't have SCSI or a floppy drive or an RS232 port, too?
I mean do you seriously believe your comment warrants a reply? Ok, you are one of the people here with the arch apologists hat, but even to the extent of lowering the discussion down to this level?
So Apple is going to launch Ivy Bridge CPUs and chipsets before Intel's original launch date, which has now been delayed by three weeks?
I just had an Intel rep tell me this morning that Ivy Bridge has been delayed until June, with a Lenovo rep sitting right next to him. Either Apple has quite the sweetheart deal with Intel, or this rumor's timeframe is garbage.
i think apple got (gets) special treatment. didnt they have head start on all the components in the original mac air?
An example is the App store. It is wonderful that Apple provides a curated store for those who want to buy in a safe environment. But there could be people who want a broader range of choices, albeit with the requirement that they use discretion as to whether they trust the source of the software. Apple will not let those sorts of people choose what they want. It is either buy at the App store, or don't. Why can't apple provide a curated App store, but also allow the tech savvy to download and install from third-party sources?
You're obviously no fan of Apple. Why do you stay on an Apple forum? Do you enjoy trolling here? You're always bad-mouthing Apple. You do have a choice. You can leave the Apple ecosystem and hopefully this forum too. And it's total troll bull crap that you can't buy and install any Mac software from some place outside the Mac App Store, unless the developer NOT Apple prefers to sell his product only in the store.
I can't believe the regular forum members allowed him to get away with such a blatant lie that I bolded above.
Until they realize they've lost a large developer base and the entire pro market.
At one time I would have agreed with you on this. But today the iMac serves the developer just fine and most of the creative professionals outside of the film industry who left quite some time ago. In any case I believe the iMacs are more powerful today than the Mac Pros yesterday.
Thursday's newest take said the new 15-inch MacBook Pros will be powered by Core i5 and Core i7 Ivy Bridge processors. That would be a change from the existing Sandy Bridge-based MacBook Pros, as both 15-inch models feature high-end Core i7 processors, while an Intel Core i5 CPU is found in the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro.
There probably won't be processors for the 13" model until June so it makes sense to update the 15" ones first. This move would however leave the 13" MBP with an optical unit, which messes up the marketing because you'd have to be proclaiming why there's no optical drive in the MBP while continuing to sell a MBP with an optical drive.
My guess would therefore be that they will introduce a $1499 15" Macbook Pro with a dual-core i5 and Intel's HD 4000 graphics and discontinue the 13" Macbook Pro given that the 13" Air exists at $1299 (this can simply be lowered by $100).
I'd say scrap ethernet and FW800 as it's going to have USB 3 and Apple should ship their own USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet adaptor for $29 on the BTO page.
4 x USB 3
2 x Thunderbolt
I think they have to go with SSD but there's no way they can ship a $1499 MBP with 128GB and no other internal storage. 128GB boot disc + 500GB HDD would be fine though.
Are you still up in arms because the Mac pro doesn't have SCSI or a floppy drive or an RS232 port, too?
Actually, we still use RS232 in our industry every single day. It's doesn't look like it's going away any time soon either. Only legacy equipment can be accessed with RS232 only, but it's not like it's obsolete or anything.
I do not expect current laptops to sport a serial port though.
I mean do you seriously believe your comment warrants a reply? Ok, you are one of the people here with the arch apologists hat, but even to the extent of lowering the discussion down to this level?
So that's supposed to be your answer? In other words, you think it's OK that some mindless troll argues that if the next MBP doesn't have ethernet that he'll buy an Asus ultra book without ethernet instead? And you think that a professional who has thousands (more like tens of thousands) of dollars and years of his time invested in the Mac is going to drop the MBP because he has to buy an Ethernet adapter?
Seems to me that the ones lowering the discussion are people like you who argue such ridiculous positions.
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i think apple got (gets) special treatment. didnt they have head start on all the components in the original mac air?
They have had lead time in the past some times. In some cases (like the Mac Pro), it seems that they got advance chips because their volume was small enough that Intel could manage it before they were running at full speed while Dell and HP would have needed too many chips. In other cases (MacBook Air), Apple seems to have been the only one at the time wanting to buy the particular chip, so they probably negotiated a deal.
There's no way of knowing (until a release) if they get a head start on Ivy Bridge.
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I believe they will have an ethernet port and here why. Education. When I was teaching on campus an ethernet port was an absolute necessity because the campus is too large and spread out to have wireless everywhere. You need to tie into the school's main computer network and there was several ethernet ports wired on most wall.
It's been awhile since I was on a campus but I'm sure many campuses have not yet gone all wireless. Besides, the wires are already there and the school's budgets have been cut so I suppose IT would abandon the wired network only kicking and screaming. Apple is big into education and I believe they will keep the port on the MBPs awhile longer since it's the computer of choice with many teachers.
ROTFLMAO. So in your expert opinion, it's easier to run Ethernet cables all over your campus than WiFI? That is, of course, absurd. Even my relatively poor middle school has WiFi covering the entire campus. There can't be very many schools that don't have it already.
I'd say scrap ethernet and FW800 as it's going to have USB 3 and Apple should ship their own USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet adaptor for $29 on the BTO page.
4 x USB 3
2 x Thunderbolt
Ha! You'll be lucky to get that many ports on a new Mac Pro. Whatever the new MBP form factor is, it'll have half that many ports.
The problem is you guys just don't understand how critical it is to have Ethernet built in. Some places demand it as part of their security policies. Others need the port to easily hook up to infrastructure where that is the deaf to interface.
Beyond all of that why would anybody want a UNIX based computer without strong networking capability? Ethernet and UNIX go together like chile and hot dogs.
Relax I was just throwing it back to the troll ZZZ saying it's a deal breaker. Of course I believe that Apple won't ax the ethernet port for reason I mentioned above. It's just a rumor. No one here knows what Apple will do. But I'm sure they did the research and found many need it just like you and there will be a port or a workable solution.
i don't think wizard69 was talking about those things.
and you mentioned about buying an adapter as a workaround for not having an Ethernet port. care to elaborate? i have done work at the US Department of Defense and Northrup Grumman (in Long Island, NY) a few years ago and there's no chance of anyone bringing it a portable, pocket-sized device that hasn't been approved by the security team. and, yes, smartphones, USB keys, portable storage media, et cetera all had to be relinquished to security personnel in the building lobby.
So maybe the company will supply the adapter behind the iron curtain.
So that's supposed to be your answer? In other words, you think it's OK that some mindless troll argues that if the next MBP doesn't have ethernet that he'll buy an Asus ultra book without ethernet instead?
No I think you made a fair point by comparing the mbp without ethernet to the mac pro without scsi, floppy and RS232.
Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand? Not everyone works in a location blanketed by high speed wifi. Some people have to connect to secure networks. Dongles suck. A retina display doesn't do squat when you can't get to your data.
Apple products gained so much ground over the last decade because they were able to impress both the barristas at starbucks and technical people who value performance.
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Retina displays would be pretty useless without an Ethernet port for many uses. I'm not sure why people don't grasp this, Ethernet is as critical as a decent GPU is to some Pro users.
I certainly don't disagree that ethernet is a port interface like a display that still has to be included on PCs even though most never use it. My query to the OP was them buying an Asus over a MBP based solely on this exclusion when there are plenty of other options that could keep them wired while maintaining an OS and build quality they might prefer. For me, if that was something I needed I would...
Consider the dongle. If I needed it at work or home I might have two just so I didn't have to lug it around but I'd think chances are it's just one. If I had to carry it with me not a deal breaker, especially if they add USB3.0 and the dongle woks at 1000BASE-T speeds.
Get the older MBP. My single biggest requirement is I prefer Macs in their HW and OS. Now Win7 is actually really good for Windows and I like Asus build quality and battery life for notebooks but neither compare to a Mac.
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Ha! You'll be lucky to get that many ports on a new Mac Pro. Whatever the new MBP form factor is, it'll have half that many ports.
Possibly, but if you start consolidating ports you do have to give some leeway to those that might use ethernet, FW, and a couple USB at once. They'd certainly fit once you scrap that ODD.
I believe they will have an ethernet port and here why. Education. When I was teaching on campus an ethernet port was an absolute necessity because the campus is too large and spread out to have wireless everywhere. You need to tie into the school's main computer network and there was several ethernet ports wired on most wall.
It's been awhile since I was on a campus but I'm sure many campuses have not yet gone all wireless. Besides, the wires are already there and the school's budgets have been cut so I suppose IT would abandon the wired network only kicking and screaming. Apple is big into education and I believe they will keep the port on the MBPs awhile longer since it's the computer of choice with many teachers.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
ROTFLMAO. So in your expert opinion, it's easier to run Ethernet cables all over your campus than WiFI? That is, of course, absurd. Even my relatively poor middle school has WiFi covering the entire campus. There can't be very many schools that don't have it already.
Hey buddy don't put words in my mouth. I said the campus was already wired for ethernet. And I said they might not have wireless everywhere, not that they didn't have it. You have a problem with reading comprehension?
So maybe the company will supply the adapter behind the iron curtain
it's not that simple. a business case will have to made to support notebooks without Ethernet connectivity. and, most likely, a security audit conducted to see whether it's worthwhile.
Ethernet is important to me as my MacBookPro is my main work machine and it would be a PIA to use wireless (It's not uncommon for me to be moving a couple of hundred GB a day around the network - I'm an admin at a publishing company). It wouldn't bother me using an adaptor as long as it delivered full speed. Mind you, I still want to be able to use TB port for other stuff without having to buy an Apple display (we use Eizo)
Other than that, SSD, lighter and I don't need an ODD. And I don't care what they call it - Pro, Air, who cares?
I do hope they offer a docking station with ethernet port or an on-board ethernet port (this article does not mention it will lack the ethernet port, other sites with the same source do).
And I'm not going to use an usb-ethernet adapter (speed issues, and because I don't buy a laptop to carry adapters around)
It will likely have USB 3.0, since it's natively supported in Ivy Bridge. That addresses speed issues. I'm not sure how a docking station is any better than an adapter when it comes to carrying things around.
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a thinner version of the current pro with good processing power is good enough for me. a current pro w quad core is very good as is anyway.
for my personal use, i'm more interested in what the GPU delivers. i'll have to wait and see what Apple does with the MacBook Pro refresh.
I disagree with you about the ports being necessary on the laptop and also that the Thunderbolt Display is not the best way to go, but I agree about how easy it would be to have a regular selection of ports on the laptop if they so desired.
Even if this new laptop was only an eighth of an inch thicker than the 11" Air, there would be room for Ethernet and Ethernet is the tallest port of all.
I believe they will have an ethernet port and here why. Education. When I was teaching on campus an ethernet port was an absolute necessity because the campus is too large and spread out to have wireless everywhere. You need to tie into the school's main computer network and there was several ethernet ports wired on most wall.
It's been awhile since I was on a campus but I'm sure many campuses have not yet gone all wireless. Besides, the wires are already there and the school's budgets have been cut so I suppose IT would abandon the wired network only kicking and screaming. Apple is big into education and I believe they will keep the port on the MBPs awhile longer since it's the computer of choice with many teachers.
I just had an Intel rep tell me this morning that Ivy Bridge has been delayed until June, with a Lenovo rep sitting right next to him. Either Apple has quite the sweetheart deal with Intel, or this rumor's timeframe is garbage.
Then you buy an adapter. Problem solved.
Are you still up in arms because the Mac pro doesn't have SCSI or a floppy drive or an RS232 port, too?
I mean do you seriously believe your comment warrants a reply? Ok, you are one of the people here with the arch apologists hat, but even to the extent of lowering the discussion down to this level?
So Apple is going to launch Ivy Bridge CPUs and chipsets before Intel's original launch date, which has now been delayed by three weeks?
I just had an Intel rep tell me this morning that Ivy Bridge has been delayed until June, with a Lenovo rep sitting right next to him. Either Apple has quite the sweetheart deal with Intel, or this rumor's timeframe is garbage.
i think apple got (gets) special treatment. didnt they have head start on all the components in the original mac air?
An example is the App store. It is wonderful that Apple provides a curated store for those who want to buy in a safe environment. But there could be people who want a broader range of choices, albeit with the requirement that they use discretion as to whether they trust the source of the software. Apple will not let those sorts of people choose what they want. It is either buy at the App store, or don't. Why can't apple provide a curated App store, but also allow the tech savvy to download and install from third-party sources?
You're obviously no fan of Apple. Why do you stay on an Apple forum? Do you enjoy trolling here? You're always bad-mouthing Apple. You do have a choice. You can leave the Apple ecosystem and hopefully this forum too. And it's total troll bull crap that you can't buy and install any Mac software from some place outside the Mac App Store, unless the developer NOT Apple prefers to sell his product only in the store.
I can't believe the regular forum members allowed him to get away with such a blatant lie that I bolded above.
Until they realize they've lost a large developer base and the entire pro market.
At one time I would have agreed with you on this. But today the iMac serves the developer just fine and most of the creative professionals outside of the film industry who left quite some time ago. In any case I believe the iMacs are more powerful today than the Mac Pros yesterday.
Thursday's newest take said the new 15-inch MacBook Pros will be powered by Core i5 and Core i7 Ivy Bridge processors. That would be a change from the existing Sandy Bridge-based MacBook Pros, as both 15-inch models feature high-end Core i7 processors, while an Intel Core i5 CPU is found in the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro.
There probably won't be processors for the 13" model until June so it makes sense to update the 15" ones first. This move would however leave the 13" MBP with an optical unit, which messes up the marketing because you'd have to be proclaiming why there's no optical drive in the MBP while continuing to sell a MBP with an optical drive.
My guess would therefore be that they will introduce a $1499 15" Macbook Pro with a dual-core i5 and Intel's HD 4000 graphics and discontinue the 13" Macbook Pro given that the 13" Air exists at $1299 (this can simply be lowered by $100).
I'd say scrap ethernet and FW800 as it's going to have USB 3 and Apple should ship their own USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet adaptor for $29 on the BTO page.
4 x USB 3
2 x Thunderbolt
I think they have to go with SSD but there's no way they can ship a $1499 MBP with 128GB and no other internal storage. 128GB boot disc + 500GB HDD would be fine though.
Are you still up in arms because the Mac pro doesn't have SCSI or a floppy drive or an RS232 port, too?
Actually, we still use RS232 in our industry every single day. It's doesn't look like it's going away any time soon either. Only legacy equipment can be accessed with RS232 only, but it's not like it's obsolete or anything.
I do not expect current laptops to sport a serial port though.
I mean do you seriously believe your comment warrants a reply? Ok, you are one of the people here with the arch apologists hat, but even to the extent of lowering the discussion down to this level?
So that's supposed to be your answer? In other words, you think it's OK that some mindless troll argues that if the next MBP doesn't have ethernet that he'll buy an Asus ultra book without ethernet instead? And you think that a professional who has thousands (more like tens of thousands) of dollars and years of his time invested in the Mac is going to drop the MBP because he has to buy an Ethernet adapter?
Seems to me that the ones lowering the discussion are people like you who argue such ridiculous positions.
i think apple got (gets) special treatment. didnt they have head start on all the components in the original mac air?
They have had lead time in the past some times. In some cases (like the Mac Pro), it seems that they got advance chips because their volume was small enough that Intel could manage it before they were running at full speed while Dell and HP would have needed too many chips. In other cases (MacBook Air), Apple seems to have been the only one at the time wanting to buy the particular chip, so they probably negotiated a deal.
There's no way of knowing (until a release) if they get a head start on Ivy Bridge.
I believe they will have an ethernet port and here why. Education. When I was teaching on campus an ethernet port was an absolute necessity because the campus is too large and spread out to have wireless everywhere. You need to tie into the school's main computer network and there was several ethernet ports wired on most wall.
It's been awhile since I was on a campus but I'm sure many campuses have not yet gone all wireless. Besides, the wires are already there and the school's budgets have been cut so I suppose IT would abandon the wired network only kicking and screaming. Apple is big into education and I believe they will keep the port on the MBPs awhile longer since it's the computer of choice with many teachers.
ROTFLMAO. So in your expert opinion, it's easier to run Ethernet cables all over your campus than WiFI? That is, of course, absurd. Even my relatively poor middle school has WiFi covering the entire campus. There can't be very many schools that don't have it already.
Introducing the new MacBooks.
I'd say scrap ethernet and FW800 as it's going to have USB 3 and Apple should ship their own USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet adaptor for $29 on the BTO page.
4 x USB 3
2 x Thunderbolt
Ha! You'll be lucky to get that many ports on a new Mac Pro. Whatever the new MBP form factor is, it'll have half that many ports.
The problem is you guys just don't understand how critical it is to have Ethernet built in. Some places demand it as part of their security policies. Others need the port to easily hook up to infrastructure where that is the deaf to interface.
Beyond all of that why would anybody want a UNIX based computer without strong networking capability? Ethernet and UNIX go together like chile and hot dogs.
Relax
i don't think wizard69 was talking about those things.
and you mentioned about buying an adapter as a workaround for not having an Ethernet port. care to elaborate? i have done work at the US Department of Defense and Northrup Grumman (in Long Island, NY) a few years ago and there's no chance of anyone bringing it a portable, pocket-sized device that hasn't been approved by the security team. and, yes, smartphones, USB keys, portable storage media, et cetera all had to be relinquished to security personnel in the building lobby.
So maybe the company will supply the adapter behind the iron curtain.
So that's supposed to be your answer? In other words, you think it's OK that some mindless troll argues that if the next MBP doesn't have ethernet that he'll buy an Asus ultra book without ethernet instead?
No I think you made a fair point by comparing the mbp without ethernet to the mac pro without scsi, floppy and RS232.
Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand? Not everyone works in a location blanketed by high speed wifi. Some people have to connect to secure networks. Dongles suck. A retina display doesn't do squat when you can't get to your data.
Apple products gained so much ground over the last decade because they were able to impress both the barristas at starbucks and technical people who value performance.
Retina displays would be pretty useless without an Ethernet port for many uses. I'm not sure why people don't grasp this, Ethernet is as critical as a decent GPU is to some Pro users.
I certainly don't disagree that ethernet is a port interface like a display that still has to be included on PCs even though most never use it. My query to the OP was them buying an Asus over a MBP based solely on this exclusion when there are plenty of other options that could keep them wired while maintaining an OS and build quality they might prefer. For me, if that was something I needed I would...
Ha! You'll be lucky to get that many ports on a new Mac Pro. Whatever the new MBP form factor is, it'll have half that many ports.
Possibly, but if you start consolidating ports you do have to give some leeway to those that might use ethernet, FW, and a couple USB at once. They'd certainly fit once you scrap that ODD.
I believe they will have an ethernet port and here why. Education. When I was teaching on campus an ethernet port was an absolute necessity because the campus is too large and spread out to have wireless everywhere. You need to tie into the school's main computer network and there was several ethernet ports wired on most wall.
It's been awhile since I was on a campus but I'm sure many campuses have not yet gone all wireless. Besides, the wires are already there and the school's budgets have been cut so I suppose IT would abandon the wired network only kicking and screaming. Apple is big into education and I believe they will keep the port on the MBPs awhile longer since it's the computer of choice with many teachers.
ROTFLMAO. So in your expert opinion, it's easier to run Ethernet cables all over your campus than WiFI? That is, of course, absurd. Even my relatively poor middle school has WiFi covering the entire campus. There can't be very many schools that don't have it already.
Hey buddy don't put words in my mouth. I said the campus was already wired for ethernet. And I said they might not have wireless everywhere, not that they didn't have it. You have a problem with reading comprehension?
So maybe the company will supply the adapter behind the iron curtain
it's not that simple. a business case will have to made to support notebooks without Ethernet connectivity. and, most likely, a security audit conducted to see whether it's worthwhile.
Other than that, SSD, lighter and I don't need an ODD. And I don't care what they call it - Pro, Air, who cares?
I do hope they offer a docking station with ethernet port or an on-board ethernet port (this article does not mention it will lack the ethernet port, other sites with the same source do).
And I'm not going to use an usb-ethernet adapter (speed issues, and because I don't buy a laptop to carry adapters around)
It will likely have USB 3.0, since it's natively supported in Ivy Bridge. That addresses speed issues. I'm not sure how a docking station is any better than an adapter when it comes to carrying things around.