There?s no free lunch?with power comes heat?but if you want a less powerful device that remains cool (which I do like!) then the iPad 2 is still for sale. I?d hate to give up the retina display over it, but it?s an option.
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When they move to 28nm, or less, the heat from the processor will decrease. Things like the LED backlight loading wouldn't change though. I wonder how much of the power is consumed in the processor vs the rest of the electonics.
Steve would have made them try a software fix or materials change or something.
Steve hasn't been dead for six months. For all we know this is his design, his specs and he saw the final prototypes and their test results, with these temps, before he died.
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This includes antennagate, which resulted in a design change after the initial denials.
That change had to do with adding CDMA to the phones, the GSM only ones stayed exactly the same. The issue wasn't the phones, it was shitty ATT service zones and the media hyping things up.
Might be an idea if you post in this thread to mention whether you have the LTE radios or not... that can make a difference. My WiFi only putz bought last Friday gets barely warm watching a 2 hour movie.
...The main killer feature on the special edition iPad will be the anti-retina display. This display will have half the resolution of the iPad 1. Things may not look all that sharp anymore, but too fucking bad, it'll run cooler and require less resources.
And, being special edition, it will be pricer... but too fucking bad
The temperatures of the new iPad, however, remain well within Apple's specified operating temperature of 32 to 95 degrees Fahrenheit, or 0 to 35 degreed Celsius.
You are misreading that specification; that is the ambient temperature, not the surface temperature. From the IR photos, the ambient temperature is around 72 degrees, or the unit operates at a 20 degree temperature rise. At a 95F ambient, you would expect the temperature to be close to 115F, or hot to the touch.
What was odd about the thermal images is that there was no hot spot; the back was fairly uniform temperature.
Looks like we will be seeing covers with thermal channels in them for the back.
I've been using my iPad all over the place since Friday and have noticed it getting hot.
As a young black man I've been pulled over by police many times and never once sensed racism even in my ritzy mainly white town...therefore police brutality and racism do not exist?
I agree with your implication that this isn't an issue...but I wanted to point out your logical flaw.
Steve hasn't been dead for six months. For all we know this is his design, his specs and he saw the final prototypes and their test results, with these temps, before he died.
That change had to do with adding CDMA to the phones, the GSM only ones stayed exactly the same. The issue wasn't the phones, it was shitty ATT service zones and the media hyping things up.
My comment had more to do with the response to criticism than the initial design.
Steve would have made them try a software fix or materials change or something. If they're not sourcing and experimenting with solutions now, it's not the same company it was.
This includes antennagate, which resulted in a design change after the initial denials.
Only took 15 posts to invoke Steve Jobs and how this is not the same company as when he was alive.
I smell lawsuit! I bet some moron will but it in his lap and burn his nether regions...good riddance to that gene pool.
Well Consumer Reports is now 'investigating' so you can be sure the media will try and turn this into heat-gate. And all the anti-Apple tech blogs will flog it for all it's worth.
Bummer they didn't use 28nm chips for whatever reason. Staying with 45nm for another year isn't ideal. Sure they made up for it with the battery, but it could last longer with 28nm, and probably not have this heat problem.
Interesting though that the PS Vita has not only the same quad core graphics, but twice as many CPU cores at the same clock speed and doesn't have a heat spreader. As I understand they switched to flip chip (which is less efficient) to give the GPU closer access to the memory, but how did the Vita do it then?
Steve would have made them try a software fix or materials change or something. If they're not sourcing and experimenting with solutions now, it's not the same company it was.
You think Steve's go ahead isn't all over this iPad? you think they had no intention on adding the Retina Display and all the needed HW but when Jobs passed away in that fateful day in October Cook switched gears and decided to get the Retina Display, the backlight, the quad-core GPU, moving the RAM off the ASIC, expanding the battery and casing at the ass end of the year ei get before they would have to start producing these devices in quantity? Makes perfect sense¡
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This includes antennagate, which resulted in a design change after the initial denials.
You mean that external antenna that persisted on that fatally flawed iPhone 4 for not just 12 months but for 15 months as the flagship device and is still being sold today almost 2 years later? Or do you mean the external antenna design that has continued on with the iPhone 4S.
If you're going to make a stupid claim that because Apple tweaked a design it means it's flawed then every single device that has been updated has been inherently faulty.
But if you want to me more specific tell us why the WiFi in the iPhone 4 was flawed but that antenna did go from being external to completely internal. Of course you know nothing of that because that wasn't a talking point on in the Troll Times manifesto.
Bummer they didn't use 28nm chips for whatever reason. Staying with 45nm for another year isn't ideal. Sure they made up for it with the battery, but it could last longer with 28nm, and probably not have this heat problem.
Interesting though that the PS Vita has not only the same quad core graphics, but twice as many CPU cores at the same clock speed and doesn't have a heat spreader. As I understand they switched to flip chip (which is less efficient) to give the GPU closer access to the memory, but how did the Vita do it then?
Are there any 28nm Img Tech GPUs shipping in quantity? If you mean the CPU, that isnt the issue and AnandTech has shown that anything less than 40nm simply isn't a reality right now.
For the 6th gen iPhone I think 32/28nm is very much a reality based on reports.
Only took 15 posts to invoke Steve Jobs and how this is not the same company as when he was alive.
Dead Steve is the new Hitler. I think we had best get used to it. For instance, just this morning I spilled coffee on my shirt, and I couldn't help but think "If Steve were still alive this would have never happened!"
As a young black man I've been pulled over by police many times and never once sensed racism even in my ritzy mainly white town...therefore police brutality and racism do not exist?
I agree with your implication that this isn't an issue...but I wanted to point out your logical flaw.
I think he was just remarking on his experience, rather than claiming no iPads get warm.
At any rate, that's a terrible analogy, in that any given interaction of the police and the citizenry is going to be unique and fraught with variables, whereas the general behavior of electronic devices is pretty predictable. If there's a design flaw we would expect most if not all iPads to get warmer than they should, if there's a manufacturing flaw we would expect some percentage of iPads to do that, and if there is neither we would that none of them would.
My guess is just what Apple says: they get warmer, that isn't a problem, and what people are reporting is contingent on what they consider warm and how hard they drive the device.
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There?s no free lunch?with power comes heat?but if you want a less powerful device that remains cool (which I do like!) then the iPad 2 is still for sale. I?d hate to give up the retina display over it, but it?s an option.
snip !
When they move to 28nm, or less, the heat from the processor will decrease. Things like the LED backlight loading wouldn't change though. I wonder how much of the power is consumed in the processor vs the rest of the electonics.
Steve would have made them try a software fix or materials change or something.
Steve hasn't been dead for six months. For all we know this is his design, his specs and he saw the final prototypes and their test results, with these temps, before he died.
This includes antennagate, which resulted in a design change after the initial denials.
That change had to do with adding CDMA to the phones, the GSM only ones stayed exactly the same. The issue wasn't the phones, it was shitty ATT service zones and the media hyping things up.
...The main killer feature on the special edition iPad will be the anti-retina display. This display will have half the resolution of the iPad 1. Things may not look all that sharp anymore, but too fucking bad, it'll run cooler and require less resources.
And, being special edition, it will be pricer... but too fucking bad
The temperatures of the new iPad, however, remain well within Apple's specified operating temperature of 32 to 95 degrees Fahrenheit, or 0 to 35 degreed Celsius.
You are misreading that specification; that is the ambient temperature, not the surface temperature. From the IR photos, the ambient temperature is around 72 degrees, or the unit operates at a 20 degree temperature rise. At a 95F ambient, you would expect the temperature to be close to 115F, or hot to the touch.
What was odd about the thermal images is that there was no hot spot; the back was fairly uniform temperature.
Looks like we will be seeing covers with thermal channels in them for the back.
I've been using my iPad all over the place since Friday and have noticed it getting hot.
As a young black man I've been pulled over by police many times and never once sensed racism even in my ritzy mainly white town...therefore police brutality and racism do not exist?
I agree with your implication that this isn't an issue...but I wanted to point out your logical flaw.
Steve hasn't been dead for six months. For all we know this is his design, his specs and he saw the final prototypes and their test results, with these temps, before he died.
That change had to do with adding CDMA to the phones, the GSM only ones stayed exactly the same. The issue wasn't the phones, it was shitty ATT service zones and the media hyping things up.
My comment had more to do with the response to criticism than the initial design.
Steve would have made them try a software fix or materials change or something. If they're not sourcing and experimenting with solutions now, it's not the same company it was.
This includes antennagate, which resulted in a design change after the initial denials.
Only took 15 posts to invoke Steve Jobs and how this is not the same company as when he was alive.
I smell lawsuit! I bet some moron will but it in his lap and burn his nether regions...good riddance to that gene pool.
Well Consumer Reports is now 'investigating' so you can be sure the media will try and turn this into heat-gate. And all the anti-Apple tech blogs will flog it for all it's worth.
Interesting though that the PS Vita has not only the same quad core graphics, but twice as many CPU cores at the same clock speed and doesn't have a heat spreader. As I understand they switched to flip chip (which is less efficient) to give the GPU closer access to the memory, but how did the Vita do it then?
As I understand they switched to flip chip (which is less efficient) to give the GPU closer access to the memory, but how did the Vita do it then?
I've never used the Vita, but does it power a device with a 9.7" retina display and a battery the size of an encyclopedia(lol)?
Steve would have made them try a software fix or materials change or something. If they're not sourcing and experimenting with solutions now, it's not the same company it was.
You think Steve's go ahead isn't all over this iPad? you think they had no intention on adding the Retina Display and all the needed HW but when Jobs passed away in that fateful day in October Cook switched gears and decided to get the Retina Display, the backlight, the quad-core GPU, moving the RAM off the ASIC, expanding the battery and casing at the ass end of the year ei get before they would have to start producing these devices in quantity? Makes perfect sense¡
This includes antennagate, which resulted in a design change after the initial denials.
You mean that external antenna that persisted on that fatally flawed iPhone 4 for not just 12 months but for 15 months as the flagship device and is still being sold today almost 2 years later? Or do you mean the external antenna design that has continued on with the iPhone 4S.
If you're going to make a stupid claim that because Apple tweaked a design it means it's flawed then every single device that has been updated has been inherently faulty.
But if you want to me more specific tell us why the WiFi in the iPhone 4 was flawed but that antenna did go from being external to completely internal. Of course you know nothing of that because that wasn't a talking point on in the Troll Times manifesto.
Bummer they didn't use 28nm chips for whatever reason. Staying with 45nm for another year isn't ideal. Sure they made up for it with the battery, but it could last longer with 28nm, and probably not have this heat problem.
Interesting though that the PS Vita has not only the same quad core graphics, but twice as many CPU cores at the same clock speed and doesn't have a heat spreader. As I understand they switched to flip chip (which is less efficient) to give the GPU closer access to the memory, but how did the Vita do it then?
Are there any 28nm Img Tech GPUs shipping in quantity? If you mean the CPU, that isnt the issue and AnandTech has shown that anything less than 40nm simply isn't a reality right now.
For the 6th gen iPhone I think 32/28nm is very much a reality based on reports.
Only took 15 posts to invoke Steve Jobs and how this is not the same company as when he was alive.
Dead Steve is the new Hitler. I think we had best get used to it. For instance, just this morning I spilled coffee on my shirt, and I couldn't help but think "If Steve were still alive this would have never happened!"
As a young black man I've been pulled over by police many times and never once sensed racism even in my ritzy mainly white town...therefore police brutality and racism do not exist?
I agree with your implication that this isn't an issue...but I wanted to point out your logical flaw.
I think he was just remarking on his experience, rather than claiming no iPads get warm.
At any rate, that's a terrible analogy, in that any given interaction of the police and the citizenry is going to be unique and fraught with variables, whereas the general behavior of electronic devices is pretty predictable. If there's a design flaw we would expect most if not all iPads to get warmer than they should, if there's a manufacturing flaw we would expect some percentage of iPads to do that, and if there is neither we would that none of them would.
My guess is just what Apple says: they get warmer, that isn't a problem, and what people are reporting is contingent on what they consider warm and how hard they drive the device.
Only took 15 posts to invoke Steve Jobs and how this is not the same company as when he was alive.
Quick! Call it "Rogifan's Law", and you'll be famous (well, at least get on Wikipedia).
..just this morning I spilled coffee on my shirt, and I couldn't help but think "If Steve were still alive this would have never happened!"