Apple did keep an internal speaker and the lowend comes only with that internal speaker.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll be very proud, thank you. WHO in the hell is going to opt for a shitty internal speaker and NOT buy the Pro Speakers, an iSub, SoundSticks or some other halfway decent set-up?
I'm aware they kept the internal speaker...and I'm sure it makes the "beep" sound crystal clear.
Between the "no speakers" and the low RAM thing, I bet the $1299 iMac won't be as popular as the other two.
Being that you have to pay Apple $200 to up the internal, customer-inaccessible RAM to 256MB AND you have to shell out (at least) another $59 for decent sound, that puts buying a so-called $1299 iMac at $1550...and that's still WITHOUT a DVD.
Why not just buy the $1499 model, getting the 256MB RAM, the speakers AND a combo drive, all right out of the box.
Heehee...you KNEW I was referring to you in my post, hence the strike back.
[quote]Being that you have to pay Apple $200 to up the internal, customer-inaccessible RAM to 256MB AND you have to shell out (at least) another $59 for decent sound, that puts buying a so-called $1299 iMac at $1550...and that's still WITHOUT a DVD.
Why not just buy the $1499 model, getting the 256MB RAM, the speakers AND a combo drive, all right out of the box.<hr></blockquote>
Yes, but of course Apple throws a wrench into that logic... some people would LOVE to have an internal 24x CD burner. And if you don't watch DVD anyway...
Doesn't look too weird, I guess. And with the monitor now not being tied to the actual case design like the previous iMac, I'm officially going on record in my belief that by this time next year, Apple WILL unveil a 17" version of the iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Almost certainly will NOT happen - it's less likely now than it was, in fact.
Reason? THE ENTIRE MACHINE would require re-engineering. The difference in display SIZE means a difference in WEIGHT, which means that everything that went into ensuring the fine balance of the Arm would need to be redone; It might well be that the larger screen would be TOO large for stability w/ the current base.
Without a compelling reason to re-design their new design, they won't....
What's to keep Apple from keeping the iMac screen at 15" and offering other sizes on a BTO basis? The graphics card is up to the task. Perhaps the 22" would require being connected ala the Cube due to its weight.
Almost certainly will NOT happen - it's less likely now than it was, in fact.
Reason? THE ENTIRE MACHINE would require re-engineering. The difference in display SIZE means a difference in WEIGHT, which means that everything that went into ensuring the fine balance of the Arm would need to be redone; It might well be that the larger screen would be TOO large for stability w/ the current base.
Without a compelling reason to re-design their new design, they won't....</strong><hr></blockquote>
You simply don't know that. NONE of you do. For all you people on these boards who use words like "never", "can't", "won't", "isn't", etc. as if you actually KNOW something the rest of us don't, please...spare us.
Two weeks ago, most of you "experts" would've said "there's NO WAY Apple would EVER introduct a 14" iBook...it messes up the whole small, compact selling point of the iBook...never gonna happen...".
Seems to me, Apple proves many of you wrong on many things, rather than the other way around.
If you don't actually work for Apple and have honest-to-God true, inside info and proof to back it up, pull back the reins on the "believe me, I KNOW...they'll NEVER blah, blah, blah..." stuff. Because, believe me...you DON'T.
[quote] Reason? THE ENTIRE MACHINE would require re-engineering. The difference in display SIZE means a difference in WEIGHT, which means that everything that went into ensuring the fine balance of the Arm would need to be redone; It might well be that the larger screen would be TOO large for stability w/ the current base. <hr></blockquote>
Ahem... the current machine weighs 20lbs so I doubt the above is true. Without knowing the wieght of the screen size of the base, length of the arm it is a little difficult to calculate the answer. Adding a lump of plastercine to the existing screen to make up the correct weight will confirm the truth.
Sure, the iMac has a 1/8 inch headphone jack. Yes, you could plug speakers into that. But the Apple Pro Speakers are USB audio devices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No they are not! The Pro Speakers have their own powered port on the back of the iMac. There is an amplifier in the iMac, just as there is in the G4 towers (they have their own jack there too).
This is why you cannot order these speakers with the iBook and PowerBooks (and old iMacs).
Regardless, if you want to use other speakers, plug 'em into the headphone jack.
The only internal USB component in the iMac is the modem. It shares the bus with USB port 1.
look out for screen upgrades,including wide screen 15 inch.
One issue. Will they offer older iMac G4 the option to, upgrade screen????? It is easy to remove screen with right tools. ....
Guess not as it will canabilise orders for bigger screen iMac G4 in future.
But if they do there would a great market for a iMac G4 screen base for normal LCD screen use
I have been looking at the possibility of mounting a 17 inch ASD screen or similar onto the new iMac. There are propritory fixing mounts available so it should be possible.
I have checked out the various weights of the screens and the 17 inch ASD is only 3 pounds heavier than a 15 inch ASD so the 10 pound base of the iMac G4 which supports the 15 inch LCD screen should cope in theory. The base is heavy.
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Basically I am now pretty certain that the new iMac round base and arm are designed for a larger screen, approx additional 3 pounds, probably a little less). If you have picked up one of them you will be suprised at the wieght of the base. No accident.....
I have now found the manufacturer of the arm and understand how the arm can be 'altered to allow the tension of the arm to be altered ie to stiffen it to compensate for a heavier load.
The most vulnerable part of the set up is the plastic base shell where it attachs to the arm ( removed from inside shell by removing motherboard etc.).
The actual adjusting mechanism is a series of Torx screws at the base of the arm. You simply tightend these to increase 'stiffness' or torque. It is an ingenious system.
I will be testing the increased weight of a 17 inch screensoon and will let you know. I MAY try attaching a modified ASD 17 inch to it but to be honest the new screen is way more elegant than the fatter ASD.
No they are not! The Pro Speakers have their own powered port on the back of the iMac. There is an amplifier in the iMac, just as there is in the G4 towers (they have their own jack there too).
This is why you cannot order these speakers with the iBook and PowerBooks (and old iMacs).
Regardless, if you want to use other speakers, plug 'em into the headphone jack.
The only internal USB component in the iMac is the modem. It shares the bus with USB port 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No they are not! The Pro Speakers have their own powered port on the back of the iMac. There is an amplifier in the iMac, just as there is in the G4 towers (they have their own jack there too).
This is why you cannot order these speakers with the iBook and PowerBooks (and old iMacs).
Regardless, if you want to use other speakers, plug 'em into the headphone jack.
The only internal USB component in the iMac is the modem. It shares the bus with USB port 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, it says right on apple.com/speaker, that the Apple Pro Speakers use a proprietary powered plug.
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don't be too proud of your prekeynote mumblings.
Apple did keep an internal speaker and the lowend comes only with that internal speaker.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll be very proud, thank you. WHO in the hell is going to opt for a shitty internal speaker and NOT buy the Pro Speakers, an iSub, SoundSticks or some other halfway decent set-up?
I'm aware they kept the internal speaker...and I'm sure it makes the "beep" sound crystal clear.
Between the "no speakers" and the low RAM thing, I bet the $1299 iMac won't be as popular as the other two.
Being that you have to pay Apple $200 to up the internal, customer-inaccessible RAM to 256MB AND you have to shell out (at least) another $59 for decent sound, that puts buying a so-called $1299 iMac at $1550...and that's still WITHOUT a DVD.
Why not just buy the $1499 model, getting the 256MB RAM, the speakers AND a combo drive, all right out of the box.
Heehee...you KNEW I was referring to you in my post, hence the strike back.
base may need to be bigger to hold monitor....say 12 inch round...add one more usb slot for joystick/wheel whatever gamers use....
[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: thegelding ]</p>
Why not just buy the $1499 model, getting the 256MB RAM, the speakers AND a combo drive, all right out of the box.<hr></blockquote>
Yes, but of course Apple throws a wrench into that logic... some people would LOVE to have an internal 24x CD burner. And if you don't watch DVD anyway...
The Cinema Display is 16:10.
The new iMac does NOT use USB sound, click <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/blakespot/.Pictures/iMac clarendon pics/imac4.jpg" target="_blank">here</a> for a pic of the rear ports if you don't believe me...
And pscates, your damn image is broken, host it on an iDisk or something where it doesn't have a traffic limit.
[ 01-15-2002: Message edited by: CapnPyro ]</p>
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Doesn't look too weird, I guess. And with the monitor now not being tied to the actual case design like the previous iMac, I'm officially going on record in my belief that by this time next year, Apple WILL unveil a 17" version of the iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Almost certainly will NOT happen - it's less likely now than it was, in fact.
Reason? THE ENTIRE MACHINE would require re-engineering. The difference in display SIZE means a difference in WEIGHT, which means that everything that went into ensuring the fine balance of the Arm would need to be redone; It might well be that the larger screen would be TOO large for stability w/ the current base.
Without a compelling reason to re-design their new design, they won't....
But thanks for all the "advice" on how to host a picture...only been doing it for two years.
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Almost certainly will NOT happen - it's less likely now than it was, in fact.
Reason? THE ENTIRE MACHINE would require re-engineering. The difference in display SIZE means a difference in WEIGHT, which means that everything that went into ensuring the fine balance of the Arm would need to be redone; It might well be that the larger screen would be TOO large for stability w/ the current base.
Without a compelling reason to re-design their new design, they won't....</strong><hr></blockquote>
You simply don't know that. NONE of you do. For all you people on these boards who use words like "never", "can't", "won't", "isn't", etc. as if you actually KNOW something the rest of us don't, please...spare us.
Two weeks ago, most of you "experts" would've said "there's NO WAY Apple would EVER introduct a 14" iBook...it messes up the whole small, compact selling point of the iBook...never gonna happen...".
Seems to me, Apple proves many of you wrong on many things, rather than the other way around.
If you don't actually work for Apple and have honest-to-God true, inside info and proof to back it up, pull back the reins on the "believe me, I KNOW...they'll NEVER blah, blah, blah..." stuff. Because, believe me...you DON'T.
[ 01-15-2002: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
Ahem... the current machine weighs 20lbs so I doubt the above is true. Without knowing the wieght of the screen size of the base, length of the arm it is a little difficult to calculate the answer. Adding a lump of plastercine to the existing screen to make up the correct weight will confirm the truth.
Has anyone done this?
[ 01-15-2002: Message edited by: JW Pepper ]</p>
<strong>Okay to clear up some things....
The Cinema Display is 16:10.
The new iMac does NOT use USB sound, click <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/blakespot/.Pictures/iMac clarendon pics/imac4.jpg" target="_blank">here</a> for a pic of the rear ports if you don't believe me....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure, the iMac has a 1/8 inch headphone jack. Yes, you could plug speakers into that. But the Apple Pro Speakers are USB audio devices.
Wrong.
The pro speakers are not USB.
Unless that Pro Speaker Jack is some kind of new round USB port...
[ 01-15-2002: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
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Sure, the iMac has a 1/8 inch headphone jack. Yes, you could plug speakers into that. But the Apple Pro Speakers are USB audio devices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No they are not! The Pro Speakers have their own powered port on the back of the iMac. There is an amplifier in the iMac, just as there is in the G4 towers (they have their own jack there too).
This is why you cannot order these speakers with the iBook and PowerBooks (and old iMacs).
Regardless, if you want to use other speakers, plug 'em into the headphone jack.
The only internal USB component in the iMac is the modem. It shares the bus with USB port 1.
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look out for screen upgrades,including wide screen 15 inch.
One issue. Will they offer older iMac G4 the option to, upgrade screen????? It is easy to remove screen with right tools. ....
Guess not as it will canabilise orders for bigger screen iMac G4 in future.
But if they do there would a great market for a iMac G4 screen base for normal LCD screen use
I have been looking at the possibility of mounting a 17 inch ASD screen or similar onto the new iMac. There are propritory fixing mounts available so it should be possible.
I have checked out the various weights of the screens and the 17 inch ASD is only 3 pounds heavier than a 15 inch ASD so the 10 pound base of the iMac G4 which supports the 15 inch LCD screen should cope in theory. The base is heavy.
<hr></blockquote>
Basically I am now pretty certain that the new iMac round base and arm are designed for a larger screen, approx additional 3 pounds, probably a little less). If you have picked up one of them you will be suprised at the wieght of the base. No accident.....
I have now found the manufacturer of the arm and understand how the arm can be 'altered to allow the tension of the arm to be altered ie to stiffen it to compensate for a heavier load.
The most vulnerable part of the set up is the plastic base shell where it attachs to the arm ( removed from inside shell by removing motherboard etc.).
The actual adjusting mechanism is a series of Torx screws at the base of the arm. You simply tightend these to increase 'stiffness' or torque. It is an ingenious system.
I will be testing the increased weight of a 17 inch screensoon and will let you know. I MAY try attaching a modified ASD 17 inch to it but to be honest the new screen is way more elegant than the fatter ASD.
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No they are not! The Pro Speakers have their own powered port on the back of the iMac. There is an amplifier in the iMac, just as there is in the G4 towers (they have their own jack there too).
This is why you cannot order these speakers with the iBook and PowerBooks (and old iMacs).
Regardless, if you want to use other speakers, plug 'em into the headphone jack.
The only internal USB component in the iMac is the modem. It shares the bus with USB port 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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No they are not! The Pro Speakers have their own powered port on the back of the iMac. There is an amplifier in the iMac, just as there is in the G4 towers (they have their own jack there too).
This is why you cannot order these speakers with the iBook and PowerBooks (and old iMacs).
Regardless, if you want to use other speakers, plug 'em into the headphone jack.
The only internal USB component in the iMac is the modem. It shares the bus with USB port 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, it says right on apple.com/speaker, that the Apple Pro Speakers use a proprietary powered plug.
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Almost certainly will NOT happen - it's less likely now than it was, in fact.
Reason? THE ENTIRE MACHINE would require re-engineering.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Only if you assume that the iMac hasn't already been engineered with an eye to upgrading the display.
<strong>I think it has been shown that Apple will listen to its customers and deliver as long as it'll be a good money maker.
a 17 inch LCD imac would be a HUGE money maker.
I'm thinking MWNY. $1999 for 17 inch iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm thinking I'd be on it like white on rice.
uh...can I say that?
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