Seems to be is not the same as clearly not. If the fuel comes from renewable sources then the fuel cells make renewable energy. And you have no proof that the fuels won't eventually be from renewables.
You can take my words as factual. Gospel implies I speak for Apple.
Leaving the bizarre definition of gospel aside, I'll take your words as factual:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
I'll go further, and I will concede that if a fuel cell is powered with a renewable, it can be said that the fuel cell produces renewable energy. But that is not the case with Apple's fuel cells, and so for Apple to include their fossil fueled cells as renewable is just plain wrong.
Leaving the bizarre definition of gospel aside, I'll take your words as factual:
I'll go further, and I will concede that if a fuel cell is powered with a renewable, it can be said that the fuel cell produces renewable energy. But that is not the case with Apple's fuel cells, and so for Apple to include their fossil fueled cells as renewable is just plain wrong.
Still wrong. It may or may not be the case with Apple fuel cells. They haven't even built them yet!
Apple's fuel cells should not be called renewable energy, given your claim:
"Our data center in North Carolina will draw about 20 megawatts at full capacity, and we are on track to supply more than 60 percent of that power on-site from renewable sources including a solar farm and fuel cell installation which will each be the largest of their kind in the country..."
You're the one who called them "renewable energy", not me, and not Apple.
"Our data center in North Carolina will draw about 20 megawatts at full capacity, and we are on track to supply more than 60 percent of that power on-site from renewable sources including a solar farm and fuel cell installation which will each be the largest of their kind in the country..."
You're the one who called them "renewable energy", not me, and not Apple.
Your reed is getting thinner.
But given that
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
it follows that the fossil fueled cells will NOT be supplying electricity from renewable sources.
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Seems to be is not the same as clearly not. If the fuel comes from renewable sources then the fuel cells make renewable energy. And you have no proof that the fuels won't eventually be from renewables.
I'll take your words as gospel:
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
I'll take your words as gospel:
You can take my words as factual. Gospel implies I speak for Apple.
You can take my words as factual. Gospel implies I speak for Apple.
Leaving the bizarre definition of gospel aside, I'll take your words as factual:
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
I'll go further, and I will concede that if a fuel cell is powered with a renewable, it can be said that the fuel cell produces renewable energy. But that is not the case with Apple's fuel cells, and so for Apple to include their fossil fueled cells as renewable is just plain wrong.
Leaving the bizarre definition of gospel aside, I'll take your words as factual:
I don't think my definition is anywhere near as bizarre as declaring that fuel cells aren't renewable energy, like you did...
I don't think my definition is anywhere near as bizarre as declaring that fuel cells aren't renewable energy, like you did...
Apple's fuel cells should not be called renewable energy, given your claim:
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
Listen - any gas fueled power plant could run on biogas. But nobody would call the output of gas turbine plants "renewable energy".
And Apple should not call the output of its natural gas generators "renewable energy".
Leaving the bizarre definition of gospel aside, I'll take your words as factual:
I'll go further, and I will concede that if a fuel cell is powered with a renewable, it can be said that the fuel cell produces renewable energy. But that is not the case with Apple's fuel cells, and so for Apple to include their fossil fueled cells as renewable is just plain wrong.
Still wrong. It may or may not be the case with Apple fuel cells. They haven't even built them yet!
Still wrong. It may or may not be the case with Apple fuel cells. They haven't even built them yet!
Then why did you claim:
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
Apple's fuel cells should not be called renewable energy, given your claim:
"Our data center in North Carolina will draw about 20 megawatts at full capacity, and we are on track to supply more than 60 percent of that power on-site from renewable sources including a solar farm and fuel cell installation which will each be the largest of their kind in the country..."
You're the one who called them "renewable energy", not me, and not Apple.
Then why did you claim:
Because most large scale fuel cells do presently. Perhaps I'll be wrong.
"Our data center in North Carolina will draw about 20 megawatts at full capacity, and we are on track to supply more than 60 percent of that power on-site from renewable sources including a solar farm and fuel cell installation which will each be the largest of their kind in the country..."
You're the one who called them "renewable energy", not me, and not Apple.
Your reed is getting thinner.
But given that
Originally Posted by Sacto Joe
Apple is going to be using natural gas,
it follows that the fossil fueled cells will NOT be supplying electricity from renewable sources.
Your reed is getting thinner.
But given that
it follows that the fossil fueled cells will NOT be supplying electricity from renewable sources.
Sad, ZZZ. You need to learn how to lose an argument more gracefully.
Because most large scale fuel cells do presently. Perhaps I'll be wrong.
No, you are likely correct that Apple is calling natural gas a "renewable source". Give yourself some credit.
Sad, ZZZ. You need to learn how to lose an argument more gracefully.
Dig deeper. Or stop digging. Your choice.
No, you are likely correct that Apple is calling natural gas a "renewable source". Give yourself some credit.
"Likely" isn't the same as incontrovertably.
"Likely" isn't the same as incontrovertably.
Good point. And much better than your definition of "gospel".
Kudos.
And hey - maybe, against all odds, you will be wrong. Congrats.
Good point. And much better than your definition of "gospel".
Kudos.
It's been fun. We'll have to do this again sometime....
It's been fun. We'll have to do this again sometime....
I accept your concession of defeat.
It's been fun. We'll have to do this again sometime....
Yeah, yeah. I heard that "get a room" comment...