Greepeace stages protest on roof of Apple's European HQ in Ireland

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  • Reply 81 of 122
    eideardeideard Posts: 399member
    What a hypocritical definition of priorities. Fund-raising season kickoff.
  • Reply 82 of 122
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    I wonder how much Greenpeace is going to have to pay to get their people out of jail for trespassing on and defacing Apple's property.



    Maybe enough to pay for that gas guzzler Landrover they drove to the location.
  • Reply 83 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DrFreeman View Post


    Any storage device converts energy from one form to another!



    Going back to the topic at hand, please take time to read the PDF I posted. Have a look at it!



    I did. It supplies no support for your contention that Apple's fuel cells will be used to store solar power.



    And besides, the gas tank in your car stores gasoline, but it dies not convert energy from one source to another. No fuel tank does that. Every major city has large fuel storage depots. None of them convert energy from one form to another.
  • Reply 84 of 122
    mhiklmhikl Posts: 471member
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    Originally Posted by wakko View Post


    I think invoking the word "fanbois" should automatically discredit one's arguments.



    Yup, when an adult has to resort to name calling, it becomes obvious lessons were not learned in kindergarten and one can only question what lessons were missed between then and now.

    Praise be the power of the Ignore List. Sure cuts wasted reading time.
  • Reply 85 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Greenleace use Network Solutions as their hosting service, just curious of NetSol is greener than Apple?



    The sad fact is that MOST environmental groups of note, have been co-opted and taken over by some of the big polluters -- things like the Sierra Club and such.



    I'm not sure if this is Green Peace or greenleace as I've seen about 3 different spellings on this story and one of them HAS to be a typo.



    And those organic health foods we buy are most often owned by the companies that make junk food now.





    >> So it's not farfetched to think that some "green" charity organization, can end up being just as corporate manipulated as the Tea Party gaggle.
  • Reply 86 of 122
    mhiklmhikl Posts: 471member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GregInPrague View Post


    We all know you don't actually do research because it would always prove you to be the liar.



    http://www.bloomenergy.com/fuel-cell/energy-server/



    Check out point 3...



    A good read.



    There's Best, Better and Good as apposed to Bad, Worse and Worst. The first three are better than the last ones. Just a little lesson the Mouth of Scorn didn't pick up in elementary school. So many holes.
  • Reply 87 of 122
    msimpsonmsimpson Posts: 452member
    I don't think there is any doubt now that Greenpeace singled out Apple because of Apple recent success and growth and position as an industry leader. To have these protests organized and ready to go makes this all seem very planned and orchestrated.



    To act like Apple is ignoring environmental issues is pretty weak - their plans for the North Carolina and Oregon data centers show they are taken environmental concerns into their plans.



    If you looked at the massive amount of data hosting facilities being used by other companies they dwarf what Apple uses. Why is Greenpeace not going after them? No publicity.
  • Reply 88 of 122
    I've supported Greenpeace financially since many years.

    Now, it comes to an end... they completely lost their priorities.

    And from all the IT-companies, Apple was always the greenest...

    Very sad evolution that makes me mad!
  • Reply 89 of 122
    sacto joesacto joe Posts: 792member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post


    I did. It supplies no support for your contention that Apple's fuel cells will be used to store solar power.



    And besides, the gas tank in your car stores gasoline, but it dies not convert energy from one source to another. No fuel tank does that. Every major city has large fuel storage depots. None of them convert energy from one form to another.



    Again, I urge caution in the way we are communicating. I agree that Apple has said nothing about using the fuel cells to run from H2 where said H2 would be generated by electrolysis using electricity generated by solar power plants. However, it's possible to do so. There are many problems that would need to be solved to make such a system work, not the least of which is the practical storage of H2. Nevertheless, it is possible. Is it more practical than standard battery storage? Perhaps, given a real state-of-the art facility.



    Nevertheless, we are talking about fuel cells and fuel cell systems that haven't been built yet. In addition, the neat thing about fuel cells is that they can be converted to such a system eventually. Given time, Apple could feasibly increase the size of its solar power plant sufficiently to power the whole facility with either direct solar or stored solar. THAT'S what we need to understand!



    Another point:



    In Califonia, solar is becoming more and more widespread. The reason is quite simple: A law was passed a while back that forced the utility companies to permit the electric meters to run backwards. In effect, most residential solar electric systems store electricity "in the grid". This is an immnently sensible way to go. However. To purists, it is a cheat, since most of those houses also use power plant-produced electricity. Too bad for them. Solar is growing far more rapidly because of this cheat.



    In effect, Apple, to the degree that it uses the same system, is also now being accused of cheating. And yet, I don't see Green Peace climbing onto the roofs of houses in California protesting!



    It's beyond ironic that a company (Apple) that is doing far more than most towards moving us to a cleaner, more efficient world, is being harpooned for not already having succeeded! It reminds me of the way Republicans attack President Obama for not having cleaned up their mess quickly enough, and all the while they stand on the mop!
  • Reply 90 of 122
    sacto joesacto joe Posts: 792member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sacto Joe View Post


    Again, I urge caution in the way we are communicating. I agree that Apple has said nothing about using the fuel cells to run from H2 where said H2 would be generated by electrolysis using electricity generated by solar power plants. However, it's possible to do so. There are many problems that would need to be solved to make such a system work, not the least of which is the practical storage of H2. Nevertheless, it is possible. Is it more practical than standard battery storage? Perhaps, given a real state-of-the art facility.



    Nevertheless, we are talking about fuel cells and fuel cell systems that haven't been built yet. In addition, the neat thing about fuel cells is that they can be converted to such a system eventually. Given time, Apple could feasibly increase the size of its solar power plant sufficiently to power the whole facility with either direct solar or stored solar. THAT'S what we need to understand!



    Another point:



    In Califonia, solar is becoming more and more widespread. The reason is quite simple: A law was passed a while back that forced the utility companies to permit the electric meters to run backwards. In effect, most residential solar electric systems store electricity "in the grid". This is an immnently sensible way to go. However. To purists, it is a cheat, since most of those houses also use power plant-produced electricity. Too bad for them. Solar is growing far more rapidly because of this cheat.



    In effect, Apple, to the degree that it uses the same system, is also now being accused of cheating. And yet, I don't see Green Peace climbing onto the roofs of houses in California protesting!



    It's beyond ironic that a company (Apple) that is doing far more than most towards moving us to a cleaner, more efficient world, is being harpooned for not already having succeeded! It reminds me of the way Republicans attack President Obama for not having cleaned up their mess quickly enough, and all the while they stand on the mop!



    I apologize for having inferred that Green Peace has been "standing on the mop." I took that comparison a little too far.
  • Reply 91 of 122
    Greenpeace are eco-fascist backwards thinking fools! Don't let them destroy the energy sector with their government funded faux-science on "man made" (man-bear-pig) climate change nonsense!



    We'd be back in the dark ages if it were up to those Socialists!
  • Reply 92 of 122
    8002580025 Posts: 172member
    [QUOTE=AppleInsider;2097913]Protesters with the environmental organization Greenpeace staged an hourlong demonstration atop Apple's European headquarters in Ireland on Wednesday, opposing the use of coal-powered electricity to power the iCloud service.



    The demonstrators scaled the top of the Apple building in Cork about 7 a.m. local time and voluntarily came down after about an hour,



    Voluntairly came done after an hour? And this makes it all right? They ought to be arrested for criminal tresspass, defacing a building and harassment. Since they've specifically targeted Apple, sounds like a hate crime to me.
  • Reply 93 of 122
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sacto Joe View Post


    The ends justify the means? Kill the population in order to save it? That's a slippery slope you're on.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    So it's OK for them to lie?



    Apple is far ahead of the competition in most cases. Greenpeace fabricated numbers in order to attack Apple.



    Wouldn't they be more honest (and probably more effective) if they based their complaints on facts and went after the REAL polluters?



    You both misread my post. Greenpeace needs publicity stunts (any message does), but I said they need to be ones based on real facts. They?ve failed in that, repeatedly, hurting their own cause. And that hurts all of us.
  • Reply 94 of 122
    To me it's kind of funny and sad how everyone uses Apple to get attention, push their agenda, get website page clicks, or make a name for themselves. Examples: Greenpeace with this look at us stunt, that NPR guy, Consumer Reports, congress, websites that say somrthing like "Apple being investigated for.." (and so is Amazon and Google but we won't mention them).
  • Reply 95 of 122
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 4,658member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sacto Joe View Post




    In Califonia, solar is becoming more and more widespread. The reason is quite simple: A law was passed a while back that forced the utility companies to permit the electric meters to run backwards. In effect, most residential solar electric systems store electricity "in the grid". This is an immnently sensible way to go. However. To purists, it is a cheat, since most of those houses also use power plant-produced electricity. Too bad for them. Solar is growing far more rapidly because of this cheat.





    The other reason I believe it becoming more popular in CA is due the fact that there are now companies leasing the equipment to people, They put the equipment on your roof and change to x pennies per kilowatt hour like the utilities companies, but the cost is less than PG&E and they sell back what ever you do not use.



    To the consumer there is no upfront cost to recover and they pay less for electricity and they get to feel good about doing something for the environment.



    The reason most people will not install panels are the cost and maintenance and eventual replacement in 10 to 15 yrs when the fail and wear out. The whole lease idea which I heard on the radio when I was out there last makes it more attractive to most people who could not afford it otherwise.
  • Reply 96 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    I assume their ship is made of recycled panty hose and runs on solar and wind?



    Who watches the watchers?



    One of GreenPeace's boats is at the bottom of the ocean pouring diesel into the water. Clean up your own act before going after others.



    Also, one of their signs is upside down. Can't trust someone who can't even make a statement properly.
  • Reply 97 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz View Post


    Apple's fuel cells should not be called renewable energy, given your claim:









    Listen - any gas fueled power plant could run on biogas. But nobody would call the output of gas turbine plants "renewable energy".



    And Apple should not call the output of its natural gas generators "renewable energy".



    Actually natural gas IS renewable energy. It's the end result of the decomposition of biological material into oil which releases the gas with the earth trapping it in pockets.



    All living things die therefore will inevitably become oil. The idea of renewable energy pretty much applies to everything. The difference is that oil isn't being renewed as quickly as other fuel sources but it does get renewed.
  • Reply 98 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Horrunmio View Post


    Greenpeace are eco-fascist backwards thinking fools! Don't let them destroy the energy sector with their government funded faux-science on "man made" (man-bear-pig) climate change nonsense!



    We'd be back in the dark ages if it were up to those Socialists!



    If socialists had anything to do with our energy policy, the enormous profits generated would flow to the workers instead of the financial types. And we would base our energy production on what is best for all, instead of what is best for the owners of the means of production.



    Likely socialists would seek less pollution and lower prices, with benefits flowing to a wider number of people.



    Among other things.





    And BTW, do you know the difference between fascists and socialists? You seem to call Greenpeace both of those things. The first is business in control of government, while the second is government in control of business. They seem mutually exclusive to me.
  • Reply 99 of 122
    [QUOTE=80025;2098229]
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Since they've specifically targeted Apple, sounds like a hate crime to me.



    Only if Apple is an invidious minority.
  • Reply 100 of 122
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icoco3 View Post


    Greenpeace who????



    Wonder how efficient their operation is...anyone care to investigate?



    Green peace has dwindled down to 3 guys in iceland with sharpies and poster board. I see why they need some press.
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