Tim Cook says Windows 8-style tablet PC convergence won't please anyone

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  • Reply 41 of 116
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member


    Windows 7 works good for MS customers. businesses in particular are finally moving to it. XP remains in wide use mainly in the developing world, where a lot of it is pirate software anyway and that won't ever change.


     


    so W7 ain't broke and doesn't need fixing. no one needs Metro for desktop anything. no one really needs W8 for anything that W7 can't do either. otherwise desktop W8 itself is really just a W7 service pack - with some nice improvements - that MS wants to milk for extra revenue. few W7 users will upgrade to W8, but of course MS will force OEM's to load it on all new PC's and so claim big sales.


     


    so MS will probably put the Start button back even before full launch of W8. it will let businesses turn off Metro from the start. ultimately it will let consumers turn off Metro too, but not until market resistance forces it in 2013.


     


    and for tablets? very few will buy the W8 intel slates. no matter what MS does, none of the major third party software is ready for its touch UI. talk about a "hobby"! power users will buy Windows "ultrabooks" instead.


     


    which leaves just the Metro ARM tablets, that will mainly compete with all the Android tablets for the not-Apple lower-priced markets. if the MS ecosystem is really good - we'll see - it has a real chance since Android is weak. but otherwise, we're looking at the Son of Zune.


     


     


     


     


     


     

  • Reply 42 of 116
    sandyfsandyf Posts: 42member


    I'm floored: nobody ran with the bone and photoShopped a toaster with a Fridge...

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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sandyf View Post

    I'm floored: nobody ran with the bone and photoShopped a toaster with a Fridge...


     


    Kind of hard to get a fridge in an elevator.

  • Reply 44 of 116
    jlanddjlandd Posts: 873member


     


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    You know Windows tablets will be a consumer hit when Steve Ballmer dons a red sweater to hock one. He's so downright folksy. What's not to love? Come sit by the fire with your uncle Ballmer while he reads you a story from his Windows tablet.


     


    You know, that thing he's holding could be the most fantastic new wonderful and amazing thing ever but I still wouldn't be able to get by how 4AM infomercial that picture is.  He's packing even less salesmanship quotient than that short pudgy fake chef hawking the microwave bags.   I thought there was a lot at stake here.  He's straight from anti-casting. 


     

  • Reply 45 of 116
    sandyfsandyf Posts: 42member


    OK, the bar's been raised: can someone photoshop a toaster in a Fridge in an elevator...

  • Reply 46 of 116
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member


     


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    If that turns out to be true then I think you can say goodbye to Ballmer.



     


    His continued employment remains a bigger mystery than Wallace Shawn's acting career.

  • Reply 47 of 116
    sticknicksticknick Posts: 123member


     


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    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    I've been using Windows 8 Consumer preview for quite a while on my MBA via Vmware.  I'm testing it to see how all my Windows development tools work in the long run.  I really hope MS brings in more Windows 7 GUI on the desktop side as they hid many aspects of it that will frustrate users.



    The metro interface is interesting but I find it extremely distracting for use on the PC desktop.  I can see it on the tablet side working better but I think MS is really shooting itself in the foot in trying to combine both a desktop OS and touch OS in the same package.



    I'm still torn on Windows 8.  I think they will have the same problem as they had with Vista in that everyone stayed put on XP because Vista was just trash.  I think most will continue to stay on, and use Windows 7 for a long, long time.



    Hell, I have quite a few client sites that refuse to get off of Windows XP.  



     


    I get the same feeling when using the Windows 8 preview as well. Metro looks like it could be good on a tablet, but to mash it together with the Windows 7 desktop (minus the Start button) for PCs is a huge mistake in my opinion. Just like traditional desktops have no place on a tablet, tablet OS's have no place on a computer.


     


    This "merge" is going to confuse the hell out of a ton of people* - especially after seventeen years of relying on that big ol' button in the bottom left corner of the screen.


     


    I dunno, I don't see this going anywhere good.


     


     


    I'm not talking about people who live and breath computers. We tend to figure that shit out, bitch a little, then move on. I'm talking about the average users who get to websites by typing the full URL into the main Google search box instead of the address bar.


     

  • Reply 48 of 116
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member


     


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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post





    Well Jeff, he's a troll, so logic isn't what he's interested in. He's here to do what he's already done, which is to get a bunch of people to waste their time responding.


     


    And what do we do with trolls?

  • Reply 49 of 116
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

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    And what do we do with trolls?


     


    Ignore them, as AI has no official troll policy nor definition thereof.

  • Reply 50 of 116
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,692member
    <p>  </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>island hermit</strong> <a href="/t/149589/tim-cook-says-windows-8-style-tablet-pc-convergence-wont-please-anyone#post_2100473"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p>  </p> <p>  </p> <p> If that turns out to be true then I think you can say goodbye to Ballmer.</p> </div></div><p>  </p><p> His continued employment remains a bigger mystery than Wallace Shawn's acting career.</p>

    The problem Microsoft has is, I think, that a) they don't have anyone who understands paradigms other than desktop Windows, and b) the company has become like s supertanker that can't easily change course. Even trying to bring someone in from the outside probably wouldn't be effective to change their fate. Their best bet is to transform themselves into a services company like IBM and syphon money off their enterprise customers who aren't able to change course either... and maybe spin off Xbox as a separate company.

    In other words, Ballmer isn't really the problem, he's just another symptom.
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    charlituna wrote: »
    <p>  </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Dick Applebaum</strong> <a href="/t/149589/tim-cook-says-windows-8-style-tablet-pc-convergence-wont-please-anyone#post_2100503"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> However, I do visualize that future Desktop Macs will use the iPad as an auxiliary touch input device... Especially for apps like drawing, painting, CAD, audio/video/photo editing...</div></div><p>  </p><p> i would love to see that. I think it would be awesome to see iPhoto for iOS connect with iPhoto for Mac OS so I can brush on my iPad and change a photo on my computer in the same way I can do it on my iPad. I would love to be able to flick across my iPad to flip through a 'stack' of photos. or to jog through footage in iMovie or Final Cut. </p>

    It's almostt there with AirPlay.
  • Reply 52 of 116
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member


    Apple is showing selectivity in what they bring across to OS X from iOS. Microsoft is pushing a bit too much over I think. 

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    smxpsmxp Posts: 1member
    melgross wrote: »
    Of course, knowing apple, six months after they diss the idea of something they come out with their defining product.

    I expect to see a fridge that toasts (and MORE!) during the holiday sales season this year. He denied it, so it must be coming.

    The Air - remove the keyboard, merge the display with the base, and you've got a device that is nearly as thin as the iPad.

    I think Cook is wrong, there s a demand for an iPad / Air converged product. As it is, I know many professionals and students itching to go full time with an iPad. Introduce native MS Office, and that itself may be enough to get a significant number of professionals and students, if not also other groups, to drop laptops and ultrabooks for good in favor of iPads.

    I'd kill for an iPad form factor with an optional Bluetooth keyboard running OS X.
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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

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    Originally Posted by smxp View Post

    The Air - remove the keyboard, merge the display with the base, and you've got a device that is nearly as thin as the iPad.

    I think Cook is wrong, there s a demand for an iPad / Air converged product.


     


    There really isn't.


     


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    Introduce native MS Office, and that itself may be enough to get a significant number of professionals and students…



     


    Mobile iWork is nearly better than desktop Office… how could mobile Office be any good?

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    Dude? What are talking about? What tablet?

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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

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    Originally Posted by kristianjacobi View Post

    Dude? What are talking about? What tablet?


     


    The ones Microsoft is planning.

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    Originally Posted by Jeff Scherrer View Post


    The iPad still is a toy. MS wants to create a better tablet. Like the tablets they've been making since the turn of the century. Like the tablets Bill Gates preached about right in front of Steve Jobs during an interview in 2007 BEFORE the iPad came out.


     


    I think it's safe to say that Microsoft wants to perfect their tablet. And the iPad is not and never will be a tablet. It's a giant iPhone.



     


    Dude what are you talking about? 

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    His continued employment remains a bigger mystery than Wallace Shawn's acting career.



     


    Inconceivable!

  • Reply 59 of 116
    markbyrnmarkbyrn Posts: 657member


    Tim is right.  With Win 8 and Metro UI, it's like putting the toaster in front of the refrigerator; almost every time you want to open the fridge, you have to move the toaster.   

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    You know, that thing he's holding could be the most fantastic new wonderful and amazing thing ever but I still wouldn't be able to get by how 4AM infomercial that picture is.  He's packing even less salesmanship quotient than that short pudgy fake chef hawking the microwave bags.   I thought there was a lot at stake here.  He's straight from anti-casting. 


     



     


    The red sweater was epic.

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