Siri is supposed to be an information valet, capable of delivering answers to queries ranging from finding a restaurant to solving the roots of an equation. If Apple games the Siri engine to be flippant from time to time, how do we know when we are getting a serious answer? Or will Siri add the "/s" tag?
Significant error? I'd not go that far.
Yes, but I think the point is that Siri gives factual answers..."she" doesn't make qualitative judgment calls. If you ask, "what phone has the fastest processor," etc, you'll get what you're looking for (...umm, respectively), but I don't think Apple (or anyone) wants to program a device with that kind of liability. Best to make a joke out of it. Sure, they're avoiding the silly exposure regarding the Nokia phone, but it does make sense that they'd remove qualitative, judgment laced search results.
Siri is supposed to be an information valet, capable of delivering answers to queries ranging from finding a restaurant to solving the roots of an equation. If Apple games the Siri engine to be flippant from time to time, how do we know when we are getting a serious answer? Or will Siri add the "/s" tag?
How is a computer program suppose to know what is the best smartphone ever? What is the best TV show ever? What is the best sneaker ever? How do you "factualize" qualitative superlatives? It's not like asking what the best number is which we all know is 5,318,008 (t's spells BOOBIES in a calculator when you turn it upside down).
If you don't know a flippant answer is "the one you're holding" or "You're kidding, right?" then there is nothing anyone can say that can make you think otherwise. Could Apple game the system, sure, but so can any other SW. You're taking issue with the word "ever" being included as part of the canned responses that existed from day one which is fraking silly.
Yeah, but if I'm flipping through TV channels and my friend stops at Jerry Springer and I comment, "Oh my god, this show is absurd," it doesn't count as me lending it credibility. Sometimes the banter is just casual.
Good observation. Some folks here do fit in well in a Jerry Springer audience (e.g. analsundarm). Thanks.
I personally don't like changes from his because we are one step away from being advertised to with Siri responses. It's no different from a search ad.
I wonder if it's hard coded to that particular phrase, or if they changed the algorithm to better understand the phrasing and the redundant (in this case) use of the word "ever".
Don't care about the former, but the latter shows that they're actively improving Siri, even if in a somewhat facile way.
Do you participate solely to twist other people's comments just to mock them? What purpose does that serve in your life? Not getting any?
On that issue, I was wondering: do you participate solely to twist AI stories to fit your anti-Apple persona? What purpose does it serve in your life? Not getting any?
Does the phrase "lighten up Francis" ring any bells?
Just as a passing observation, the immediate resort to "not getting any" really unqualifies your responses as something to be taken seriously as commentary.
OTOH, perhaps your sense of humor is simply unequal to the task this Monday morning, and a step back-deep breath-adjust attitude moment is in order. I know I have Mondays that challenge my sense of humor and proportion.
Note I gave you the benefit of the doubt, now can you extend the same to others.
How is a computer program suppose to know what is the best smartphone ever? What is the best TV show ever? What is the best sneaker ever? How do you "factualize" qualitative superlatives? It's not like asking what the best number is which we all know is 5,318,008 (t's spells BOOBIES in a calculator when you turn it upside down).
If you don't know a flippant answer is "the one you're holding" or "You're kidding, right?" then there is nothing anyone can say that can make you think otherwise. Could Apple game the system, sure, but so can any other SW. You're taking issue with the word "ever" being included as part of the canned responses that existed from day one which is fraking silly.
It's funny. A funny set of canned responses to a silly question, silly as it is subjective. This is simply humor. Sorry if this offends anyone here but those suggesting this is demeaning Siri need to get out more and get some fresh air!
No, read the article - if you added ever to the question it would do the web search. They changed the back end to respond with the witty answer regardless of adding "ever" to the end or not. It mattered before.
Not for me. When the story first broke I tried it and got the same witty replies, with the 'ever' included
But doesn't this diminish the credibility of Siri?
Credibility? This is Wolfram Alpha's top 5 smartphone list, which Siri culled the result from:
For laughs, Google #2. #3 is a failed HP tablet no longer on sale (yes, in smartphone results)
Credible indeed. I'm sure whatever witty response Siri provides now is more accurate. You'd have better results asking your dog.
This clearly shows the difference between relying on AI for any reasonable answer, and relying on (some) human brains.
Most folks glancing at that list would conclude that it was unreliable. AI is programmed to retreive the list from the data store.
Unless and until AI as used by SIRI is good enough, it is not good enough. At this point, qualifiers with nebulous definitions like "best" and "ever" are WAY too much for the feeble AI we have available now.
Our current AI is very useful for lots of stuff. But queries like "best" are too fuzzy as of now.
This clearly shows the difference between relying on AI for any reasonable answer, and relying on (some) human brains.
Most folks glancing at that list would conclude that it was unreliable. AI is programmed to retreive the list from the data store.
Unless and until AI as used by SIRI is good enough, it is not good enough. At this point, qualifiers with nebulous definitions like "best" and "ever" are WAY too much for the feeble AI we have available now.
Our current AI is very useful for lots of stuff. But queries like "best" are too fuzzy as of now.
And humans cope better with 'best' and 'ever'? Yeah, go try and get an internet consensus for the 'best' of any type of product category, especially smartphones. Humans don't fare any better, because it's a subjective announcement concluded from thousands of variables, many of those variables being inherent biases, outlooks, and personal preferences completely unrelated to any kind of empiric data. The best you can do with gather a large subset of opinions to try and determine an answer, but even then there will be many who will pronounce whatever comes up on top as the worst thing ever made. I have a friend who is an Acer fanboy (yes, they somehow exist) and will proclaim anthing made by Acer is the best thing ever, using insane justifications. I don't even bother debating anything with him, I just nod and smile when it comes to this. So, I would trust whatever answer Siri gives more than his opinion. When this came out, he truly believed, will every fiber of his being, and it was the most innovative product ever and would be the downfall of Apple:
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Obviously, not confounded enough to post multiple times.....
I was not the one who deemed this story unworthy.
Do you participate solely to twist other people's comments just to mock them? What purpose does that serve in your life? Not getting any?
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Sorry, but no sarcasm was intended.
Siri is supposed to be an information valet, capable of delivering answers to queries ranging from finding a restaurant to solving the roots of an equation. If Apple games the Siri engine to be flippant from time to time, how do we know when we are getting a serious answer? Or will Siri add the "/s" tag?
Significant error? I'd not go that far.
Yes, but I think the point is that Siri gives factual answers..."she" doesn't make qualitative judgment calls. If you ask, "what phone has the fastest processor," etc, you'll get what you're looking for (...umm, respectively), but I don't think Apple (or anyone) wants to program a device with that kind of liability. Best to make a joke out of it. Sure, they're avoiding the silly exposure regarding the Nokia phone, but it does make sense that they'd remove qualitative, judgment laced search results.
How is a computer program suppose to know what is the best smartphone ever? What is the best TV show ever? What is the best sneaker ever? How do you "factualize" qualitative superlatives? It's not like asking what the best number is which we all know is 5,318,008 (t's spells BOOBIES in a calculator when you turn it upside down).
If you don't know a flippant answer is "the one you're holding" or "You're kidding, right?" then there is nothing anyone can say that can make you think otherwise. Could Apple game the system, sure, but so can any other SW. You're taking issue with the word "ever" being included as part of the canned responses that existed from day one which is fraking silly.
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Originally Posted by Sol77
Yeah, but if I'm flipping through TV channels and my friend stops at Jerry Springer and I comment, "Oh my god, this show is absurd," it doesn't count as me lending it credibility. Sometimes the banter is just casual.
Good observation. Some folks here do fit in well in a Jerry Springer audience (e.g. analsundarm). Thanks.
They have'nt got all variants of the query sorted yet
"What is a better Smartphone?" still gives the Nokia Lumia 900
And we all know Apple's preferred reply should be "Wait until October and see"
I wonder if it's hard coded to that particular phrase, or if they changed the algorithm to better understand the phrasing and the redundant (in this case) use of the word "ever".
Don't care about the former, but the latter shows that they're actively improving Siri, even if in a somewhat facile way.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
I was not the one who deemed this story unworthy.
Do you participate solely to twist other people's comments just to mock them? What purpose does that serve in your life? Not getting any?
On that issue, I was wondering: do you participate solely to twist AI stories to fit your anti-Apple persona? What purpose does it serve in your life? Not getting any?
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Witty, maybe.
But doesn't this diminish the credibility of Siri?
Here come the lawyers suing Apple for providing misleading answers. After all, the whiners here say that misleading marketing is illegal.......
/s
They are not whiners.
Only some is illegal.
The topic was advertising, and not marketing.
One sentence. Three strikes.
Does the phrase "lighten up Francis" ring any bells?
Just as a passing observation, the immediate resort to "not getting any" really unqualifies your responses as something to be taken seriously as commentary.
OTOH, perhaps your sense of humor is simply unequal to the task this Monday morning, and a step back-deep breath-adjust attitude moment is in order. I know I have Mondays that challenge my sense of humor and proportion.
Note I gave you the benefit of the doubt, now can you extend the same to others.
Watching and waiting....
Personally, I think that Iraq should begin using the Euro, it would help dog breeders in Rio.
Wrong. The best number is 73.
I still say the new AI sucks on the iPad!
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Personally, I think that Iraq should begin using the Euro, it would help dog breeders in Rio.
I'll bridge the gap between the topic and your well placed non sequitur by saying I'd enjoy comments like this from Siri...but it is not meant to be.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Witty, maybe.
But doesn't this diminish the credibility of Siri?
Credibility? This is Wolfram Alpha's top 5 smartphone list, which Siri culled the result from:
For laughs, Google #2.
#3 is a failed HP tablet no longer on sale (yes, in smartphone results)
Credible indeed. I'm sure whatever witty response Siri provides now is more accurate. You'd have better results asking your dog.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Credibility? This is Wolfram Alpha's top 5 smartphone list, which Siri culled the result from:
For laughs, Google #2.
#3 is a failed HP tablet no longer on sale (yes, in smartphone results)
Credible indeed. I'm sure whatever witty response Siri provides now is more accurate. You'd have better results asking your dog.
Love it! LOL
Not for me. When the story first broke I tried it and got the same witty replies, with the 'ever' included
zzzzz babbling again.......
This clearly shows the difference between relying on AI for any reasonable answer, and relying on (some) human brains.
Most folks glancing at that list would conclude that it was unreliable. AI is programmed to retreive the list from the data store.
Unless and until AI as used by SIRI is good enough, it is not good enough. At this point, qualifiers with nebulous definitions like "best" and "ever" are WAY too much for the feeble AI we have available now.
Our current AI is very useful for lots of stuff. But queries like "best" are too fuzzy as of now.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
This clearly shows the difference between relying on AI for any reasonable answer, and relying on (some) human brains.
Most folks glancing at that list would conclude that it was unreliable. AI is programmed to retreive the list from the data store.
Unless and until AI as used by SIRI is good enough, it is not good enough. At this point, qualifiers with nebulous definitions like "best" and "ever" are WAY too much for the feeble AI we have available now.
Our current AI is very useful for lots of stuff. But queries like "best" are too fuzzy as of now.
And humans cope better with 'best' and 'ever'? Yeah, go try and get an internet consensus for the 'best' of any type of product category, especially smartphones. Humans don't fare any better, because it's a subjective announcement concluded from thousands of variables, many of those variables being inherent biases, outlooks, and personal preferences completely unrelated to any kind of empiric data. The best you can do with gather a large subset of opinions to try and determine an answer, but even then there will be many who will pronounce whatever comes up on top as the worst thing ever made. I have a friend who is an Acer fanboy (yes, they somehow exist) and will proclaim anthing made by Acer is the best thing ever, using insane justifications. I don't even bother debating anything with him, I just nod and smile when it comes to this. So, I would trust whatever answer Siri gives more than his opinion. When this came out, he truly believed, will every fiber of his being, and it was the most innovative product ever and would be the downfall of Apple:
http://www.theverge.com/products/iconia-6120/3652
To me, it's a frankenstein product that combines the worst aspects of two worlds, while throwing out all advantages.