I think it should be treated a little lighter than alcohol, it's not nearly as dangerous. Of course, that's not real-world thinking, just ideal-world thinking.
No being high on the road, in school, on the job (up to the employer).
BTW, pot might not be as dangerous as alcohol in that you're completely altered and impaired, but I know - from experience, yes - that I would get very "tuned out" and mellow and intently digging on a buried McCartney bass line or something, to the exclusion of everything else in the apartment.
I wouldn't want people on the road being that way, so it COULD be as dangerous as alcohol, depending. A bad car wreck because you simply weren't focusing on that traffic light is still bad news, whether pot or alcohol was the reason.
Yes, no being high on the road, in class, etc.
Van Halen and Jimmy Buffet concerts? It's mandatory.
[quote] I tried having this discussion with my mother once... it was a trainwreck. Oh well, looks like we'll have to hash it out until her generation dies.
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ah, the differences of a southern california upbringing to that of a texas upbringing...i can still remember my youthful conversations with good old mom going something like this:
Mom: "Honey, could you go get mommy a hit of orange sunshine out of the fridge?"
a young pre-gelding: "Ok Mom, but then can i go out and play with my friends?"
oh well, she was/is a great lady...even if she did watch the kitchen curtains catch fire and burn the whole kitchen out while on acid once...g
Anders has the right idea. Have Congress pass a War Declaration against Drug Dealers. That takes care of Habeus Corpus. We can detain them indefinitely. Military tribunals and executions are possible. All sorts of advantages to this approach. We can even take over Columbia. This will be good.
first, i'm glad to see that there are some reasonable people out there: people in favor of decrim'ing marijuana.
but, i disagree with some of what's being said in here. using and cultivating personal amounts of drugs should never been made illegal. the government shouldn't have the right to dictate what i can or can't do unto myself, in my home. i can understand public inibriation being illegal, or driving or working or whatever under the influence, but in the privacy of my home, everything should be fair game. i should note that driving while on mj can actually increase one's awareness, and for many smokers/drivers it makes them more careful. so i'm not really infavor of making it illegal to drive on weed, but i can understand the fear there.
also, although the general population may agree that people shouldn't use (some) drugs; but that opinion, nor any other, shouldn't be forced onto the minority. if i can use crack and not cause any crimes (aside from use), that should be my right. the possible repercussions of irresponsible users shouldn't affect my ability to enjoy drugs. if crack addicts tend to commit certain crimes, then punish those crimes, not the usage.
also, a bigger War on some Drugs won't fix the problem. whether or not something is illegal, or is a huge fvcking hassle, or will cost someone their siblings, parents, children and thier life doesn't deter some people from using certain drugs. there will always be a demand for just about all mind-altering drugs; and demand will create a supply chain. they can take down all the huge drug lords, and kill off all of the middle men, and complete dessimate the whole hierarchy; but it wont stop. drugs will always thrive. people want them. people will get them.
i dont think its right to attack drug suppliers either. they are like many legitimate capitalists. they saw a market, and created a supply. if we made drugs legal, then the criminal element of drug supply (gangsters, guns, murder, ..) would be reduced. i dont think black market drugs could compete with store-bought. thugs with guns wouldn't be pushing at schoolyards, because they can't beat the prices that legitimate businesses can get.
The war on drugs has been in the insane mode for some time now. Especially where pot is concerned.
Marijuana is probably the most researched drug and least understood. It wasn't until recently knowlege of the mechanics of how it effects a person was discovered.
Given that with all this research and only a handful of minor negative effects a person would be hard pressed to say something negative about it. They are now grasping at straws.
It's always been an unfair and illogical situation with alcohol vs. marijuana. Alcohol has been proven many times over to be much more harmful and yet is treated differently.
The truth here is that this situation is motivated by politics and greed. Mostly powered by the criminals who bring it in to this country. They have a very powerful influence over lobbies. If alcohol was still illegal and pot wasn't you'd see the opposite situation.
Which brings me to another idea. Didn't the government learn that prohabition doesn't work? If you want to solve some if not most of the illegal drug traffic in this country legalize pot.
Marijuana these days is rarely sold ( at the source ) by the friendly hippie down the street it's sold by drug dealers who sell other far worse drugs. If you eliminate the need to buy pot from these people their business will suffer and crumble. They don't want pot to be legalized.
They would have to find another job! I know some people have problems with this because of conditioning by the same media who would have you believe pot causes teenage pregnancy.
This is really the best way to attack those who sell meth and other things to our kids. In order to have a real war on drugs you have to look at things in a realistic light and hit them where it hurts the most - their business.
<strong>marijuana causes teen pregnancy</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh my gosh! :eek: And all this time I thought it was sex! <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> I especially like the one where the two kids are smoking in an office room where one of stumbles onto a gun (high nonetheless) and "shoots" the other. 1) Any parent stupid enough to leave a loaded gun unlocked in a desk drawer should not have kids. 2) Kids sometimes shoot each other with guns they don't think are loaded. It happens with or without the assistance of weed. This whole commercial begs "Darwin award". [Insert my signature here] <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Here is the website in charge of these ads: <a href="http://www.adcouncil.org/"; target="_blank">Adcouncil.org</a> Don't believe the statistics on the site. They are selected for their emotional impact and don't reflect current events.
EDIT: Oh, and a $185 Million campaign was launched a few weeks ago to "Raise awareness of AIDS". So buckle up! It's just beginning!
Worse, in fact, than the ad saying that pot causes teen pregnancy, was one about a year ago not to long after 9/11. The ad straight up said that if you buy weed, then you're funding Al Qaeda terrorists. Which was confusing to me, cuz I didn't know that white stoners from Humboldt were buddy-buddy with Osama.
Teen pregnancies are more semen-related than anything else. I think bad parenting is also an important factor. But weed, that's it... weed's the problem. Yeah... *zzzzzzzzz*
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No being high on the road, in school, on the job (up to the employer).
BTW, pot might not be as dangerous as alcohol in that you're completely altered and impaired, but I know - from experience, yes - that I would get very "tuned out" and mellow and intently digging on a buried McCartney bass line or something, to the exclusion of everything else in the apartment.
I wouldn't want people on the road being that way, so it COULD be as dangerous as alcohol, depending. A bad car wreck because you simply weren't focusing on that traffic light is still bad news, whether pot or alcohol was the reason.
Yes, no being high on the road, in class, etc.
Van Halen and Jimmy Buffet concerts? It's mandatory.
*fires up SimCity4 to make it a reality*
<strong>Disagreement time.
I'm with Newt in spending MORE on the War on Drugs.</strong><hr></blockquote>That's just plain inexperience and youth talking.
AS well as possibly that psuedo-liberal quasi-authoritarian totalitarian side of leftism
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Van Halen and Jimmy Buffet concerts? It's mandatory.
Now Buffet WITH Van Halen and other things would be mandatory as well . . . like pain killers
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: Anders the White ]</p>
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ah, the differences of a southern california upbringing to that of a texas upbringing...i can still remember my youthful conversations with good old mom going something like this:
Mom: "Honey, could you go get mommy a hit of orange sunshine out of the fridge?"
a young pre-gelding: "Ok Mom, but then can i go out and play with my friends?"
oh well, she was/is a great lady...even if she did watch the kitchen curtains catch fire and burn the whole kitchen out while on acid once...g
i share way too much with you people....
show some battered wives, rape stats, a few alcoholics.
pot on the other hand? you've got some burned out hippies, but that's about it.
who's ever heard of the stereotypical "angry pothead". no one. but i know a few angry drunks.
pot is about as harmless a mind altering substance there is. it's stupid to treat it like such a huge problem.
but, i disagree with some of what's being said in here. using and cultivating personal amounts of drugs should never been made illegal. the government shouldn't have the right to dictate what i can or can't do unto myself, in my home. i can understand public inibriation being illegal, or driving or working or whatever under the influence, but in the privacy of my home, everything should be fair game. i should note that driving while on mj can actually increase one's awareness, and for many smokers/drivers it makes them more careful. so i'm not really infavor of making it illegal to drive on weed, but i can understand the fear there.
also, although the general population may agree that people shouldn't use (some) drugs; but that opinion, nor any other, shouldn't be forced onto the minority. if i can use crack and not cause any crimes (aside from use), that should be my right. the possible repercussions of irresponsible users shouldn't affect my ability to enjoy drugs. if crack addicts tend to commit certain crimes, then punish those crimes, not the usage.
also, a bigger War on some Drugs won't fix the problem. whether or not something is illegal, or is a huge fvcking hassle, or will cost someone their siblings, parents, children and thier life doesn't deter some people from using certain drugs. there will always be a demand for just about all mind-altering drugs; and demand will create a supply chain. they can take down all the huge drug lords, and kill off all of the middle men, and complete dessimate the whole hierarchy; but it wont stop. drugs will always thrive. people want them. people will get them.
i dont think its right to attack drug suppliers either. they are like many legitimate capitalists. they saw a market, and created a supply. if we made drugs legal, then the criminal element of drug supply (gangsters, guns, murder, ..) would be reduced. i dont think black market drugs could compete with store-bought. thugs with guns wouldn't be pushing at schoolyards, because they can't beat the prices that legitimate businesses can get.
Marijuana is probably the most researched drug and least understood. It wasn't until recently knowlege of the mechanics of how it effects a person was discovered.
Given that with all this research and only a handful of minor negative effects a person would be hard pressed to say something negative about it. They are now grasping at straws.
It's always been an unfair and illogical situation with alcohol vs. marijuana. Alcohol has been proven many times over to be much more harmful and yet is treated differently.
The truth here is that this situation is motivated by politics and greed. Mostly powered by the criminals who bring it in to this country. They have a very powerful influence over lobbies. If alcohol was still illegal and pot wasn't you'd see the opposite situation.
Which brings me to another idea. Didn't the government learn that prohabition doesn't work? If you want to solve some if not most of the illegal drug traffic in this country legalize pot.
Marijuana these days is rarely sold ( at the source ) by the friendly hippie down the street it's sold by drug dealers who sell other far worse drugs. If you eliminate the need to buy pot from these people their business will suffer and crumble. They don't want pot to be legalized.
They would have to find another job! I know some people have problems with this because of conditioning by the same media who would have you believe pot causes teenage pregnancy.
This is really the best way to attack those who sell meth and other things to our kids. In order to have a real war on drugs you have to look at things in a realistic light and hit them where it hurts the most - their business.
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
<strong>marijuana causes teen pregnancy</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh my gosh! :eek: And all this time I thought it was sex! <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> I especially like the one where the two kids are smoking in an office room where one of stumbles onto a gun (high nonetheless) and "shoots" the other. 1) Any parent stupid enough to leave a loaded gun unlocked in a desk drawer should not have kids. 2) Kids sometimes shoot each other with guns they don't think are loaded. It happens with or without the assistance of weed. This whole commercial begs "Darwin award". [Insert my signature here] <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Here is the website in charge of these ads: <a href="http://www.adcouncil.org/"; target="_blank">Adcouncil.org</a> Don't believe the statistics on the site. They are selected for their emotional impact and don't reflect current events.
EDIT: Oh, and a $185 Million campaign was launched a few weeks ago to "Raise awareness of AIDS". So buckle up! It's just beginning!
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: Ebby ]</p>
<strong>That's just plain inexperience and youth talking.
AS well as possibly that psuedo-liberal quasi-authoritarian totalitarian side of leftism</strong><hr></blockquote>
When I said that, I got my ass handed to me by Shawn, BRussell and others. How come when you say it, it flies?
You're entirely correct, of course. Just wondering how you say it so much cooler.
<strong>Weed leads to teen pregnancy but alcohol is AOK? WTF!?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Aren't most teen pregnancies alcohol related?
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When I said that, I got my ass handed to me by Shawn, BRussell and others. How come when you say it, it flies?
You're entirely correct, of course. Just wondering how you say it so much cooler.
Oh yeah. I missed his post in its brevity. Ok well Pfflam you're wrong
Obligatory mean smiley:
<strong>That's just plain inexperience and youth talking.
AS well as possibly that psuedo-liberal quasi-authoritarian totalitarian side of leftism</strong><hr></blockquote>That is so true, pfflam.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />