Is all this Facebook negativity based on their IPO issue?
If it is, it's VASTLY misplaced. Facebook's real value has absolutely nothing to do with its stock price.
Even if you're self-righteously against social networking, the fact still remains that it's a reality that Apple would be completely remiss in not addressing. The key is to make it both highly integrated and accessible in the OS, while keeping it as unintrusive as possible. It's certainly possible to have it both ways, and I don't doubt that Apple will be able to integrate it properly.
Is all this Facebook negativity based on their IPO issue?
If it is, it's VASTLY misplaced. Facebook's real value has absolutely nothing to do with its stock price.
I've been negative to Facebook both before and after the catastrophic IPO. Do you own shares of FB or something? You sure seem to be defending FB an awful lot in this thread.
This is a very poor decision by Apple and to me, simply scary.
It isn't remotely a poor decision. It's a very sensible decision by Apple, integrating the most popular social network into the most popular smartphone. It will be very useful to much of the user base - Facebook has mainstream leverage in a way that Twitter doesn't. I think you're projecting your own views of Facebook onto the issue a bit too much.
As long as there is the option to turn it off, then I'm ok. If not, I'll consider ditching the iPhone. My device shouldn't control me.
It will be no different from the Twitter functionality already baked in. The problem comes in this crap showing up in popups and dropdowns even if you don't use the services.
Ditto here...how is this good again? So every "friend" will now know which game or app I am using with those stupid FB-forced logins?
It's goor or bad depending on the individual. The reality is that facebook has hundreds of millions of users, is heavily used, and is not going anywhere. I doubt that Apple is ultra-excited about it, but the fact is they have little choice but to support deeper integration because of the massive userbase. I'm sure it will not be invasive if you don't want it to be, I know I'll have it turned off myself.
SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.
Well, it's here to stay. Either evolve or get left behind.
Some local asshat was claiming on another thread that Apple already had a social network... so I wonder what he'd think about a real social network coming to iOS...
SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.
Young fart here. Screw social networking. It's the embodiment of the degradation of actual, physical human relationships. It undermines the definition of the word 'friend'.
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Well, it's here to stay.
Just like love-ins, bell-bottom pants, grunge, and GeoCities.
Facebook integration is a logical, inevitable move. I don't have access to any numbers, but I suspect the iOS FB app is the most used app across all iOS devices. It makes sense to integrate the commonly used functions into iOS.
I've not seen apps that require it, but there are many on-line news sites that require a Facebook account in order to make a comment on an article. This is a trend that is growing. Granted, not being able to comment on an article does not exactly rank with being deprived of water in Death Valley. But unless the site has some deal worked with Facebook for data mining, why do they do this?
They do it because the average user can't be bothered to keep track of their login information for more than a couple favorite sites, so allowing users to log in through Facebook increases participation. The real question is why so many users are okay with Facebook tracking them not only on facebook.com but on all these other websites as well.
Yeah, sonny. IU'm old (but not a fart thank you very much). It is not fear of social networking itself. I don't fear it because I don't use it. What I DO "fear" is having data-mining built into the operating system of the devices I use. I don't have a Facebook account, and I don't want their damned software on my computer. Nor do I tweet, nor am I on MySpace, or any other of these services. I no longer use AOL or Yahoo instant messaging either; it lost its usefulness for me, so I just stopped. I took the pertinent apps off my computers and went from there. I also do not have cable service because I do not watch television.
Notice that all of the above are easily eliminated from one's life, and one's computer where it applies.
If Cook builds Facebook into the operating system in a manner where I can't NOT have it, that becomes a whole new set of circumstances. The on-screen switch in Preferences may SAY it is off, but, is it? I don't see FB, or AAPL for that matter, giving up a revenue source that easily.
Facebook integration is a logical, inevitable move. I don't have access to any numbers, but I suspect the iOS FB app is the most used app across all iOS devices. It makes sense to integrate the commonly used functions into iOS.
It might make sense for those who live in FB (like fb whores having 500+ friends, or whoever update their status every minute, or post pictures of their puppies, etc).
It does not make sense for me at all.
How much more of valuable flash space iOS will take for FB dedicated functions that I will never use?
How many new FB-related menus will I see in the UI even though FB is going to be completely disabled? (Just like Tweet this, Tweet that even though I do not have twitter account).
Young fart here. Screw social networking. It's the embodiment of the degradation of actual, physical human relationships. It undermines the definition of the word 'friend'.
I concur. There's nothing social about social networking; by design it is to 'show the world what I have', be it your clean laundry or your dirty; it's only there to entice people to respond, to provoke.
Two people having dinner; one goes to the toilet, other one logs into FB. Girlfriend comes back from toilet, he shares with her that post number blabla was 'liked' by a friend. Discussion ends.
Wow. Facebook. Really a social thing. Communicating less as a result.
[CODE]Hopefully developers will give a resounding 'Boo' when the announcement is made. Keep is as an app. It's easier to delete when Facebook goes south.[/CODE]
We are not afraid of social networking, just don't want it embedded in the OS. When Facebook goes south (which it inevitably will) what happens then? You see it isn't just old folk who don't want it included, there are a lot of spritely young minds on this forum who don't want it either. keep it as an app!
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Is all this Facebook negativity based on their IPO issue?
If it is, it's VASTLY misplaced. Facebook's real value has absolutely nothing to do with its stock price.
Even if you're self-righteously against social networking, the fact still remains that it's a reality that Apple would be completely remiss in not addressing. The key is to make it both highly integrated and accessible in the OS, while keeping it as unintrusive as possible. It's certainly possible to have it both ways, and I don't doubt that Apple will be able to integrate it properly.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Is all this Facebook negativity based on their IPO issue?
If it is, it's VASTLY misplaced. Facebook's real value has absolutely nothing to do with its stock price.
I've been negative to Facebook both before and after the catastrophic IPO. Do you own shares of FB or something? You sure seem to be defending FB an awful lot in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Mike Fix
This is a very poor decision by Apple and to me, simply scary.
It isn't remotely a poor decision. It's a very sensible decision by Apple, integrating the most popular social network into the most popular smartphone. It will be very useful to much of the user base - Facebook has mainstream leverage in a way that Twitter doesn't. I think you're projecting your own views of Facebook onto the issue a bit too much.
As long as there is the option to turn it off, then I'm ok. If not, I'll consider ditching the iPhone. My device shouldn't control me.
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Originally Posted by bigmike
As long as there is the option to turn it off, then I'm ok. If not, I'll consider ditching the iPhone. My device shouldn't control me.
It will be no different from the Twitter functionality already baked in. The problem comes in this crap showing up in popups and dropdowns even if you don't use the services.
I guess you could just ignore it? I never use the Reading List feature, so I just ignore it when it comes up in dropdowns.
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Originally Posted by brlawyer
Ditto here...how is this good again? So every "friend" will now know which game or app I am using with those stupid FB-forced logins?
It's goor or bad depending on the individual. The reality is that facebook has hundreds of millions of users, is heavily used, and is not going anywhere. I doubt that Apple is ultra-excited about it, but the fact is they have little choice but to support deeper integration because of the massive userbase. I'm sure it will not be invasive if you don't want it to be, I know I'll have it turned off myself.
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Originally Posted by msimpson
A new version of HyperCard that let you create web-based apps using HTML5 would be very cool. With ties to iCloud. Now that would be something useful.
You mean the new iBook authoring tool?
SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.
Well, it's here to stay. Either evolve or get left behind.
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Originally Posted by rtm135
SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.
Well, it's here to stay. Either evolve or get left behind.
Some local asshat was claiming on another thread that Apple already had a social network... so I wonder what he'd think about a real social network coming to iOS...
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Originally Posted by rtm135
SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.
Young fart here. Screw social networking. It's the embodiment of the degradation of actual, physical human relationships. It undermines the definition of the word 'friend'.
Quote:
Well, it's here to stay.
Just like love-ins, bell-bottom pants, grunge, and GeoCities.
All fads die.
Facebook integration is a logical, inevitable move. I don't have access to any numbers, but I suspect the iOS FB app is the most used app across all iOS devices. It makes sense to integrate the commonly used functions into iOS.
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Originally Posted by The Friendly Grizzly
I've not seen apps that require it, but there are many on-line news sites that require a Facebook account in order to make a comment on an article. This is a trend that is growing. Granted, not being able to comment on an article does not exactly rank with being deprived of water in Death Valley. But unless the site has some deal worked with Facebook for data mining, why do they do this?
They do it because the average user can't be bothered to keep track of their login information for more than a couple favorite sites, so allowing users to log in through Facebook increases participation. The real question is why so many users are okay with Facebook tracking them not only on facebook.com but on all these other websites as well.
Yeah, sonny. IU'm old (but not a fart thank you very much). It is not fear of social networking itself. I don't fear it because I don't use it. What I DO "fear" is having data-mining built into the operating system of the devices I use. I don't have a Facebook account, and I don't want their damned software on my computer. Nor do I tweet, nor am I on MySpace, or any other of these services. I no longer use AOL or Yahoo instant messaging either; it lost its usefulness for me, so I just stopped. I took the pertinent apps off my computers and went from there. I also do not have cable service because I do not watch television.
Notice that all of the above are easily eliminated from one's life, and one's computer where it applies.
If Cook builds Facebook into the operating system in a manner where I can't NOT have it, that becomes a whole new set of circumstances. The on-screen switch in Preferences may SAY it is off, but, is it? I don't see FB, or AAPL for that matter, giving up a revenue source that easily.
"...so allowing users to log in through Facebook increases participation."
Not "allow". REQUIRE.
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Originally Posted by vandil
Facebook integration is a logical, inevitable move. I don't have access to any numbers, but I suspect the iOS FB app is the most used app across all iOS devices. It makes sense to integrate the commonly used functions into iOS.
It might make sense for those who live in FB (like fb whores having 500+ friends, or whoever update their status every minute, or post pictures of their puppies, etc).
It does not make sense for me at all.
How much more of valuable flash space iOS will take for FB dedicated functions that I will never use?
How many new FB-related menus will I see in the UI even though FB is going to be completely disabled? (Just like Tweet this, Tweet that even though I do not have twitter account).
I concur. There's nothing social about social networking; by design it is to 'show the world what I have', be it your clean laundry or your dirty; it's only there to entice people to respond, to provoke.
Two people having dinner; one goes to the toilet, other one logs into FB. Girlfriend comes back from toilet, he shares with her that post number blabla was 'liked' by a friend. Discussion ends.
Wow. Facebook. Really a social thing. Communicating less as a result.
Keep is as an app. It's easier to delete when Facebook goes south.[/CODE]
keep it as an app!