1) maybe they'd like to see the Pros become more server-capable. The mini pretty much handles anything a common user would need as a regular desktop.
2) Cook, being the inventory nazi he is, could very well be trying a 1-shipment/week deal with customized offerings, as someone else here touched on.
Since the iPhone, iPad, MBP's have a turnaround life of just hours, maybe keeping the Pros off the floor makes more sense.
3) A Pro with built in time capsule would be great. Especially when used as a RAID. Hosting domains in both wifi and online would be great for small businesses I think. I'd buy one for that purpose at least. Wallet-less check out and all that included securely in a small building/coffee shop.
Put an AMD Trinty into a base machine to serve the Mini market and leave the performance market to Intel hardware. Easily done. This gives users completely different machines even if they are in the same box with similar I/O. One shouldn't underestimate just how well AMDs fusion chips work when stacked against Intels choices.
Let's face sit the Mini has been in a downward spiral for some time. Sales are lagging and the hardware configuration really sucks for this decade. For a couple of days now there has been no association of a Mini refresh with WWDC. Apple could easily cover the Mins Market share with a smartly configured low end Mac Pro.
One word to keep in mind: stagnet! The entire desktop line up has been around to long, major refreshes are in order.
It all sounds lovely, but the main selling point of the Mac Mini is its price point.
Having replaced a PSU in my Mac Pro at a cost of AU$900 (genuine Apple part through and authorised reseller) without labour, I would guess that just the case and PSU alone would break the Mini price budget.
And before you all jump on me, I realise that mass production would bring that cost down a lot, but I still doubt that the Mac Pro could be scaled down enough to match the Minis price point.
The other selling point of the Mini is, of course, its Mini-ness. Changing the form factor makes no sense other than to make it smaller.
The last Mac Pro design revision was seen in 2006 when Apple switched from IBM's G5 processors to Intel's multi-core Xeon silicon, though the changes made were mostly internal and the machine carried over the aluminum case first used in the PowerMac G5.
It's time for a radical redesign. This is what I want:
1. Smaller, modular, cube-shaped design.
2. OptionalThunderbolt connectors on top, bottom, left, and right sides (when looking at the unit from the front), with MagSafe attachments points on the top, bottom, left, and right sides.
3. Optional rackmount cage.
Apple could also offer MagSafe Thunderbolt accessories that you could snap onto the Mac Pro. Need more disk space? Snap on a HDD enclosure. Need to have a 128-core system? Snap a bunch of MacPros together. They'd use Grand Central Dispatch to distribute the computing load via Thunderbolt.
Thunderbolt will (eventually) eliminate the need to cram all of your processing, storage, and i/o hardware into a single big box.
This still doesn't mean the model is being refreshed. Apple could be removing in store stock as they shift to a online only order process ahead of announcing the EOL date. Similar to what happened with the Xserve.
But that's just me being Mr. Negative pants.
The article states that the Mac Pro is available to pick up in-store on 12 June. That would tend to suggest a new model rather EOL or online only.
Looks like it's going to be a hundinger of a keynote this year. The Mac back centre stage again instead of playing second fiddle to the iOS stuff all the time. Magic.
Honestly I think you will get more of that then you are expecting. As stated elsewhere if another spin of standard Intel chips was the goal that could have happened last year. I just believe more is going on with the Mac Pro or whatever replaces it then is being acknowledged in general in this thread.
Maybe that is wishful thinking on my part.
You're making me wistful for a time when I was far more naïve. Don't do that. I spent a good long while getting to this place of mine as an Apple evangelist AND Apple Pessimist, and I don't want to rock that boat.
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1) maybe they'd like to see the Pros become more server-capable.
Without the optical drive to worry about, a Mac Pro could have the option of a redundant PSU instead.
Oh, there's apparently a 13" laptop with an ODD and updated specs… and also a 15.4" one with a 2560x1600 (FRICK YES, 16:10) screen… and no ODD.
9to5 says a new case. "Experimenting with a rackable design" and such.
Who's to say.
I would like to see a case redesign. I think it needs to be smaller in size...about the size of the PowerMac G4. I don't see any reason for it to be so large today. I understood the original design with the G5 and air flow, but now days its just a large and very heavy tower.
I know this won't happen, but I'd really like to see a Core i5 or i7 based tower for consumers. I'd love to have one. I don't need a 4-6 core Xeon. A Core i5 or i7 would work fine for me.
Man, has it been 6 years already!? I got my MacPro 2.0GHz 1,1 back in 2006. Thing's still running like a champ. I heard, though, that Lion is the last OS it'll be able to support.
I've upgraded the hell out of it: 32GB RAM, four internal 2TB HDDs and 512GB SSD startup disk (occupies the 2nd optical drive bay), ATI 5770 video card, internal LG Blu-Ray drive, etc., pushing a 30-inch Cinema Display.
I think it has quite some life left. My only regret is not sticking with Snow Leopard. Lion has proved finicky and has some bugs, but they haven't been serious enough to get me to spend the time and effort to regress.
It's time for a radical redesign. This is what I want:
1. Smaller, modular, cube-shaped design.
2. OptionalThunderbolt connectors on top, bottom, left, and right sides (when looking at the unit from the front), with MagSafe attachments points on the top, bottom, left, and right sides.
3. Optional rackmount cage.
Apple could also offer MagSafe Thunderbolt accessories that you could snap onto the Mac Pro. Need more disk space? Snap on a HDD enclosure. Need to have a 128-core system? Snap a bunch of MacPros together. They'd use Grand Central Dispatch to distribute the computing load via Thunderbolt.
Thunderbolt will (eventually) eliminate the need to cram all of your processing, storage, and i/o hardware into a single big box.
Crazy, I know. But it's possible. :-)
I like the idea of a modular design but I also like the way the current Mac Pro has everything tucked away in a neat box without too many wires all over the place. Mmmm difficult one. Can't wait to see what they do.
I think it would help if they had the option of a more powerful Mac Mini for people who need the power of the entry level Mac Pro but in a smaller footprint.
This desktop design has been around since summer of 2003. I would say that NINE years is an extraordinary amount of time for any design, but it's an eternity for a computer. I am very curious what Apple will do with their flagship desktop.
But there have been faster Xeon chips (same family as current) for a while.
Yes, but Apple has rarely introduced a new model for just a 3-5% CPU clock speed increase. They have occasionally used the faster chips with a 'quiet upgrade', but they've never made a big deal about it. So the ability to get a 2.8 GHz Westmere rather than a 2.66 GHz Westmere isn't worth bothering with. The ability to get a Sandy Bridge Xeon instead of Westmere is. And that's only been possible for a few weeks.
This still doesn't mean the model is being refreshed. Apple could be removing in store stock as they shift to a online only order process ahead of announcing the EOL date. Similar to what happened with the Xserve.
But that's just me being Mr. Negative pants.
Apple announced the end of Xserve ahead of the end of availability. You really think they'd wait until the day after WWDC to announce EOL?
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2) Cook, being the inventory nazi he is, could very well be trying a 1-shipment/week deal with customized offerings, as someone else here touched on.
Since the iPhone, iPad, MBP's have a turnaround life of just hours, maybe keeping the Pros off the floor makes more sense.
3) A Pro with built in time capsule would be great. Especially when used as a RAID. Hosting domains in both wifi and online would be great for small businesses I think. I'd buy one for that purpose at least. Wallet-less check out and all that included securely in a small building/coffee shop.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Put an AMD Trinty into a base machine to serve the Mini market and leave the performance market to Intel hardware. Easily done. This gives users completely different machines even if they are in the same box with similar I/O. One shouldn't underestimate just how well AMDs fusion chips work when stacked against Intels choices.
Let's face sit the Mini has been in a downward spiral for some time. Sales are lagging and the hardware configuration really sucks for this decade. For a couple of days now there has been no association of a Mini refresh with WWDC. Apple could easily cover the Mins Market share with a smartly configured low end Mac Pro.
One word to keep in mind: stagnet! The entire desktop line up has been around to long, major refreshes are in order.
It all sounds lovely, but the main selling point of the Mac Mini is its price point.
Having replaced a PSU in my Mac Pro at a cost of AU$900 (genuine Apple part through and authorised reseller) without labour, I would guess that just the case and PSU alone would break the Mini price budget.
And before you all jump on me, I realise that mass production would bring that cost down a lot, but I still doubt that the Mac Pro could be scaled down enough to match the Minis price point.
The other selling point of the Mini is, of course, its Mini-ness. Changing the form factor makes no sense other than to make it smaller.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
The last Mac Pro design revision was seen in 2006 when Apple switched from IBM's G5 processors to Intel's multi-core Xeon silicon, though the changes made were mostly internal and the machine carried over the aluminum case first used in the PowerMac G5.
It's time for a radical redesign. This is what I want:
1. Smaller, modular, cube-shaped design.
2. OptionalThunderbolt connectors on top, bottom, left, and right sides (when looking at the unit from the front), with MagSafe attachments points on the top, bottom, left, and right sides.
3. Optional rackmount cage.
Apple could also offer MagSafe Thunderbolt accessories that you could snap onto the Mac Pro. Need more disk space? Snap on a HDD enclosure. Need to have a 128-core system? Snap a bunch of MacPros together. They'd use Grand Central Dispatch to distribute the computing load via Thunderbolt.
Thunderbolt will (eventually) eliminate the need to cram all of your processing, storage, and i/o hardware into a single big box.
Crazy, I know. But it's possible. :-)
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Originally Posted by WelshDog
This still doesn't mean the model is being refreshed. Apple could be removing in store stock as they shift to a online only order process ahead of announcing the EOL date. Similar to what happened with the Xserve.
But that's just me being Mr. Negative pants.
The article states that the Mac Pro is available to pick up in-store on 12 June. That would tend to suggest a new model rather EOL or online only.
Looks like it's going to be a hundinger of a keynote this year. The Mac back centre stage again instead of playing second fiddle to the iOS stuff all the time. Magic.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Honestly I think you will get more of that then you are expecting. As stated elsewhere if another spin of standard Intel chips was the goal that could have happened last year. I just believe more is going on with the Mac Pro or whatever replaces it then is being acknowledged in general in this thread.
Maybe that is wishful thinking on my part.
You're making me wistful for a time when I was far more naïve. Don't do that.
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Originally Posted by AjbDtc826
1) maybe they'd like to see the Pros become more server-capable.
Without the optical drive to worry about, a Mac Pro could have the option of a redundant PSU instead.
Oh, there's apparently a 13" laptop with an ODD and updated specs… and also a 15.4" one with a 2560x1600 (FRICK YES, 16:10) screen… and no ODD.
These are leaked stickers we've seen.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
9to5 says a new case. "Experimenting with a rackable design" and such.
Who's to say.
I would like to see a case redesign. I think it needs to be smaller in size...about the size of the PowerMac G4. I don't see any reason for it to be so large today. I understood the original design with the G5 and air flow, but now days its just a large and very heavy tower.
I know this won't happen, but I'd really like to see a Core i5 or i7 based tower for consumers. I'd love to have one. I don't need a 4-6 core Xeon. A Core i5 or i7 would work fine for me.
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No, nothing is confirmed. They have nothing.
DC112LL/A
There. Model number. That must mean a new Newton is coming.
[Golf clap]
Hilarious.
Man, has it been 6 years already!? I got my MacPro 2.0GHz 1,1 back in 2006. Thing's still running like a champ. I heard, though, that Lion is the last OS it'll be able to support.
I've upgraded the hell out of it: 32GB RAM, four internal 2TB HDDs and 512GB SSD startup disk (occupies the 2nd optical drive bay), ATI 5770 video card, internal LG Blu-Ray drive, etc., pushing a 30-inch Cinema Display.
I think it has quite some life left. My only regret is not sticking with Snow Leopard. Lion has proved finicky and has some bugs, but they haven't been serious enough to get me to spend the time and effort to regress.
Cheers, MacPro!
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Originally Posted by SockRolid
It's time for a radical redesign. This is what I want:
1. Smaller, modular, cube-shaped design.
2. OptionalThunderbolt connectors on top, bottom, left, and right sides (when looking at the unit from the front), with MagSafe attachments points on the top, bottom, left, and right sides.
3. Optional rackmount cage.
Apple could also offer MagSafe Thunderbolt accessories that you could snap onto the Mac Pro. Need more disk space? Snap on a HDD enclosure. Need to have a 128-core system? Snap a bunch of MacPros together. They'd use Grand Central Dispatch to distribute the computing load via Thunderbolt.
Thunderbolt will (eventually) eliminate the need to cram all of your processing, storage, and i/o hardware into a single big box.
Crazy, I know. But it's possible. :-)
I like the idea of a modular design but I also like the way the current Mac Pro has everything tucked away in a neat box without too many wires all over the place. Mmmm difficult one. Can't wait to see what they do.
I think it would help if they had the option of a more powerful Mac Mini for people who need the power of the entry level Mac Pro but in a smaller footprint.
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Apple's not in the business of wowing.
At least when it comes to the desktop Macs...
All of these leaks are nothing of the sort. Without specs, they are meaningless.
Why the fake distinction and call Mac Pro a PC? As if macbook air is not a personal computer? Really stupid I must say.
And you're just as wrong now as you were then.
Apple uses Xeon chips in the Mac Pro. Intel just released the newer Xeon chips last month.
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Apple uses Xeon chips in the Mac Pro. Intel just released the newer Xeon chips last month.
But there have been faster Xeon chips (same family as current) for a while.
As much as I hate it, we've one example of the Mac Pro getting a chip addition rather than a full-on spec bump.
It's moot at this point, yes, but still.
This desktop design has been around since summer of 2003. I would say that NINE years is an extraordinary amount of time for any design, but it's an eternity for a computer. I am very curious what Apple will do with their flagship desktop.
I'm intrigued.... WHAT?
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I'm intrigued.... WHAT?
He's claiming the use of "PC" in the bold header to describe the Mac Pro is disingenuous. In short, he's grasping.
Yes, but Apple has rarely introduced a new model for just a 3-5% CPU clock speed increase. They have occasionally used the faster chips with a 'quiet upgrade', but they've never made a big deal about it. So the ability to get a 2.8 GHz Westmere rather than a 2.66 GHz Westmere isn't worth bothering with. The ability to get a Sandy Bridge Xeon instead of Westmere is. And that's only been possible for a few weeks.
Apple announced the end of Xserve ahead of the end of availability. You really think they'd wait until the day after WWDC to announce EOL?
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Apple announced the end of Xserve ahead of the end of availability. You really think they'd wait until the day after WWDC to announce EOL?
Merely suggesting that they might remove stock from stores first. The article has been updated since I posted so my comment is moo.