Did you vomit for the six years the aluminum PowerBook design was used? How about the titanium PowerBook design? :wherefore_art_thou,_rolleyes_emoticon.gif:
Yes I did, and I also didn't own one until it came with the black bezel. $1700 is not an unsubstantial purchase. If I don't care for the looks of it, I won't buy it. The black bezel helps it blend into the background better, making the transition more appealing and the screen seem larger. The metal bezel looks large in comparison, and my personal opinion (which I believe I am entitled to) is that it looks like crap.
Yes, four choices is SO HARD to understand. All you anal-retentives out there need to calm down. There's nothing wrong with making different models for different types of users.
It's most certainly not shades of the Performa days. And even after Steve's return, it took a long time to drop to just a handful of products:
Posting a comment on a rumor = not calm in your circle of influence? The only one that doesn't seem calm is yourself. Unbunch your panties, take a deep breath and repeat after me, "Other people have different opinions, I shouldn't take it personally."
The MacBook Pro series (and perhaps the MacBook Air series) may be getting an upgrade immediately next Monday so as to keep up with WIntel machines, whereas the rumored MacBook series may not be available until later this year or maybe even early next year. That’s the reason why MacBook Pros are not getting retina displays this summer. Most likely the displays are not quite read yet - at least not in the quantity necessary to keep up with the projected demand. In fact, the new retina MacBooks may not even be announced next Monday because, as many have pointed out, such an announcement would hamper sales of MacBook Pros.
If the MacBook rumor is true, the MacBook Pro will most likely be discontinued when MacBooks are introduced later this year (or early next year) with retina displays. Apple may decide to keep the 17” MacBook Pro as the premium powerhouse laptop choice, just like Mac Pro is the premium desktop computer in the Apple’s lineup.
I’m predicting that when the new retina MacBooks are introduced, the MacBook Air series will be discontinued as well. There will be MacBooks of the following sizes: 11”, 13”, and 15”. As for 17”, it would either be discontinued or kept as MacBook Pro in the current form factor (not slim).
There’s too much overlap among the three products: the New iPad, the MacBook Air, and the new retina MacBook. This leads to consumer confusion, and sales of all products suffer as a result. Apple must eliminate one of the three, and we know it’s not going to be the iPad. So, if the new slim retina MacBook is introduced, 13” MacBook Air will have to go.
Only a person out of his mind could be buying the Ivy Bridge MBPs. OK, there are people who still need optical drive. But do those people also need performance? I doubt that... So if i were one of them I would buy last year's model and save money.
Yes. To have a notebook with dedicated GPU you must pay 1800$ for a 15" Macbook Pro. In Macbook Airs it's acceptable to use an integrated GPU, because there is no room. After leaving the ODD behind they should use dedicated in the 13" Macbook.
In order to sell 3 iPhone models @ the same time, Apple will have to continue differentiating all 3 models to avoid confusion. Whereas, Apple only sells the current model of iPad & its notebook & desktop lines
Yes. To have a notebook with dedicated GPU you must pay 1800$ for a 15" Macbook Pro. In Macbook Airs it's acceptable to use an integrated GPU, because there is no room. After leaving the ODD behind they should use dedicated in the 13" Macbook.
Retina display and Intel HD 4000 isnt a good combination for anything more than browsing the web.
Based on what?
I use my laptop as a general purpose business computer - word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email, very light photo editing, etc. Retina display and HD 4000 would be just fine. What gives you the right to dictate that it's not useful for me (and many others like me)?
Only a person out of his mind could be buying the Ivy Bridge MBPs. OK, there are people who still need optical drive. But do those people also need performance? I doubt that... So if i were one of them I would buy last year's model and save money.
What's wrong with someone who needs an optical drive? Lots of people do.
Apple makes a series of computers with discrete characteristics. Simply rejecting one model because it doesn't suit YOU is incredibly egotistical.
I don't think people who need ODD are idiots. I just don't think this kind of people need performance. Therefore they could buy current MBPs for a discounted price.
"If" Apple keeps the MacBook Pro line and introduces another line, it would be to minimize risk in a more radical redesign. I'm confident that Apple is not so risk adverse to do this for just optical drive support. I'm guessing these new systems have touch and a significant difference in formfactor "if" we get a new product line. If we don't get a new line and they are replacements, they may still have touch but could just be more like the airs in formfactor.
Anyway, I am due for a refresh in 6 months at work and looking forward to updated systems no matter what they are.
I use my laptop as a general purpose business computer - word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email, very light photo editing, etc. Retina display and HD 4000 would be just fine. What gives you the right to dictate that it's not useful for me (and many others like me)?
"word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email" aren't more demanding than browsing the web you can do it on a really old notebook too.
Using anything what requires more performance would be a problem with integrated gpu on 2560x1600 resolution.
In order to sell 3 iPhone models @ the same time, Apple will have to continue differentiating all 3 models to avoid confusion. Whereas, Apple only sells the current model of iPad & its notebook & desktop lines
Cheers !
Not true. Apple also sells the previous generation iPad.
Apple has also in the past kept previous generation laptops around for a while - the polycarbonate MacBook, for example.
I don't think people who need ODD are idiots. I just don't think this kind of people need performance. Therefore they could buy current MBPs for a discounted price.
And who are you to say what people need?
And what in the world makes you think that the subset of people who need ODD does not overlap the subset of people who needs performance? In fact, chances are that the overlap is pretty substantial.
"word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email" aren't more demanding than browsing the web you can do it on a really old notebook too.
Using anything what requires more performance would be a problem with integrated gpu on 2560x1600 resolution.
Let's back up. You said "Retina display and Intel HD 4000 isnt a good combination for anything more than browsing the web."
I use my laptop for much more than browsing the web and HD 4000 would be fine for me.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Did you vomit for the six years the aluminum PowerBook design was used? How about the titanium PowerBook design? :wherefore_art_thou,_rolleyes_emoticon.gif:
Yes I did, and I also didn't own one until it came with the black bezel. $1700 is not an unsubstantial purchase. If I don't care for the looks of it, I won't buy it. The black bezel helps it blend into the background better, making the transition more appealing and the screen seem larger. The metal bezel looks large in comparison, and my personal opinion (which I believe I am entitled to) is that it looks like crap.
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Originally Posted by bmxing85
Please be 14" and 16" with narrow edge. Makes much more sense to consolidate this way.
13"-->14"<--15"-->16"<--17"
Like this
Note: you can only choose two from Price Thin and Power
Sorry for the bad image. did it in sketch book in 5 min
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There is too much Intel GPU. It will be pretty bad if they only use dedicated in 15" model.
So it's "pretty bad" now is what you're saying?
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Originally Posted by rwindmann
Yes I did, and I also didn't own one until it came with the black bezel.
So you had PCs before that?
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So you had PCs before that?
Yes, I'll suffer PCs if I have to look at something all day long that I don't like.
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Originally Posted by rwindmann
Yes, I'll suffer PCs if I have to look at something all day long that I don't like.
Your priorities are horribly, horribly skewed, I think.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
Yes, four choices is SO HARD to understand. All you anal-retentives out there need to calm down. There's nothing wrong with making different models for different types of users.
It's most certainly not shades of the Performa days. And even after Steve's return, it took a long time to drop to just a handful of products:
1995: 38 Desktops/Towers, 10 PowerBooks
1996: 40 Desktops/Towers, 4 PowerBooks
1997: 45 Desktops/Towers, 8 PowerBooks
(Steve returns in July of '97)
1998: 14 Desktops/Towers, 14 PowerBooks
1999: 20 Desktops/Towers, 3 iBooks, PowerBooks
2000: 13 Desktops/Towers, 16 iBooks, PowerBooks
2001: 16 Desktops/Towers, 16 laptops
2002: 21 Desktops/Towers, 16 laptops
2003: 18 Desktops/Towers, 13 laptops
2004: 9 Desktops/Towers, 11 laptops
2005: 19 Desktops/Towers, 10 laptops
2006: 15 Desktops/Towers, 17 laptops
2007: 10 Desktops/Towers, 9 laptops
2008: 6 Desktops/Towers, 19 laptops
2009: 14 Desktops/Towers, 12 laptops
2010: 9 Desktops/Towers, 11 laptops, 6 iPads
2011: 7 Desktops/Towers, 14 laptops, 6 iPads (18 configurations)
First, it seems you may need a bit of help understanding the common usage of "shades of...". Here you go: http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/shades_of.htm (hint, it doesn't mean "exactly the same")
Posting a comment on a rumor = not calm in your circle of influence? The only one that doesn't seem calm is yourself. Unbunch your panties, take a deep breath and repeat after me, "Other people have different opinions, I shouldn't take it personally."
-kpluck
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Your priorities are horribly, horribly skewed, I think.
Would you purchase a $32,999.999 metalflake purple car with 2" wheels? Nah, you probably wouldn't like that.
The MacBook Pro series (and perhaps the MacBook Air series) may be getting an upgrade immediately next Monday so as to keep up with WIntel machines, whereas the rumored MacBook series may not be available until later this year or maybe even early next year. That’s the reason why MacBook Pros are not getting retina displays this summer. Most likely the displays are not quite read yet - at least not in the quantity necessary to keep up with the projected demand. In fact, the new retina MacBooks may not even be announced next Monday because, as many have pointed out, such an announcement would hamper sales of MacBook Pros.
If the MacBook rumor is true, the MacBook Pro will most likely be discontinued when MacBooks are introduced later this year (or early next year) with retina displays. Apple may decide to keep the 17” MacBook Pro as the premium powerhouse laptop choice, just like Mac Pro is the premium desktop computer in the Apple’s lineup.
I’m predicting that when the new retina MacBooks are introduced, the MacBook Air series will be discontinued as well. There will be MacBooks of the following sizes: 11”, 13”, and 15”. As for 17”, it would either be discontinued or kept as MacBook Pro in the current form factor (not slim).
There’s too much overlap among the three products: the New iPad, the MacBook Air, and the new retina MacBook. This leads to consumer confusion, and sales of all products suffer as a result. Apple must eliminate one of the three, and we know it’s not going to be the iPad. So, if the new slim retina MacBook is introduced, 13” MacBook Air will have to go.
Only a person out of his mind could be buying the Ivy Bridge MBPs. OK, there are people who still need optical drive. But do those people also need performance? I doubt that... So if i were one of them I would buy last year's model and save money.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So it's "pretty bad" now is what you're saying?
Yes. To have a notebook with dedicated GPU you must pay 1800$ for a 15" Macbook Pro. In Macbook Airs it's acceptable to use an integrated GPU, because there is no room. After leaving the ODD behind they should use dedicated in the 13" Macbook.
Cheers !
AMD just announced the first SDK API and Device Driver to be OpenCL 1.2 conformant on the CPU and GPU.
http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2012/05/21/opencl™-1-2-and-c-static-kernel-language-now-available/
and this site is talking about Apple [inventors of OpenCL] using Nvidia who could give a rat's ass about OpenCL next to its precious CUDA?
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Originally Posted by landilevente
Yes. To have a notebook with dedicated GPU you must pay 1800$ for a 15" Macbook Pro. In Macbook Airs it's acceptable to use an integrated GPU, because there is no room. After leaving the ODD behind they should use dedicated in the 13" Macbook.
The cost of an AMD 7770M is around $50.
Based on what?
I use my laptop as a general purpose business computer - word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email, very light photo editing, etc. Retina display and HD 4000 would be just fine. What gives you the right to dictate that it's not useful for me (and many others like me)?
What's wrong with someone who needs an optical drive? Lots of people do.
Apple makes a series of computers with discrete characteristics. Simply rejecting one model because it doesn't suit YOU is incredibly egotistical.
I don't think people who need ODD are idiots. I just don't think this kind of people need performance. Therefore they could buy current MBPs for a discounted price.
Anyway, I am due for a refresh in 6 months at work and looking forward to updated systems no matter what they are.
I don't understand - adding touch screen is a risky move? Why?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Based on what?
I use my laptop as a general purpose business computer - word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email, very light photo editing, etc. Retina display and HD 4000 would be just fine. What gives you the right to dictate that it's not useful for me (and many others like me)?
"word processing, spreadsheets, slide presentations, email" aren't more demanding than browsing the web you can do it on a really old notebook too.
Using anything what requires more performance would be a problem with integrated gpu on 2560x1600 resolution.
Not true. Apple also sells the previous generation iPad.
Apple has also in the past kept previous generation laptops around for a while - the polycarbonate MacBook, for example.
And who are you to say what people need?
And what in the world makes you think that the subset of people who need ODD does not overlap the subset of people who needs performance? In fact, chances are that the overlap is pretty substantial.
Let's back up. You said "Retina display and Intel HD 4000 isnt a good combination for anything more than browsing the web."
I use my laptop for much more than browsing the web and HD 4000 would be fine for me.
Therefore, you were wrong.