@wyatt Not to criticize you, but isn't that like relying on seo. I think that is a bad idea. Apple is in the business of giving their users the best experience with their device. So they will change policies from time to time to raise/improve user experience. I think you should do branding. You probably can't post the url of your site, but redirecting users from your server to the app store is i think better
If Apple would simply hire Google to help them with searching the App Store, all would be well. I don't expect that to happen.
Well in the sense that Google is the number one entity behind this "dumbing down" of searches and also guilty of the very thing I am complaining about ... I don't think that will help at all even if it did happen.
Well in the sense that Google is the number one entity behind this "dumbing down" of searches and also guilty of the very thing I am complaining about ... I don't think that will help at all even if it did happen.
He didn't have a very good way of saying it, but search options for finding apps in the GooglePlay store are more extensive/targeted than what's currently offered by Apple. Have a look if you're at all curious.
He didn't have a very good way of saying it, but search options for finding apps in the GooglePlay store are more extensive/targeted than what's currently offered by Apple. Have a look if you're at all curious.
The Google link you sent me appears almost identical to the iOS app store search page and doesn't appear to have anything new or anything that isn't available in the iOS or Mac app stores. Neither of these, nor Google itself, offer the opportunity to indicate content that you *don't* want to see.
My point was that by letting us edit out the stuff we don't (ever) want to see, (essentially a black list), the navigation and searching of the store would be improved immeasurably. Neither site offers that and probably never will (because of the stupids), but it would be a boon (for the non-stupids) nonetheless.
For instance if I could say "no games, no sports, and nothing to do with cars" I could narrow down my searches by many orders of magnitude in one stroke. Tens of thousands of apps that I never want to see would disappear. If I could also add the names of developers to the black list when I come across some particularly egregious POS app, over time my searches would get better also. Most of the crap developers and scam artists produce dozens and dozens of apps, and huge amounts of useless results could be eliminated by means of a developer filter.
Ah, gotcha. What you want is a way to blacklist app categories, developers, perhaps certain permissions, etc. It's not about discovery (which I personally think GooglePlay does a better job with) but exclusion. I can't imagine any of the appstores will ever put that feature in place for assorted reasons.
It would be a developers demise if relying on app store search results was the only way one expected their app to be found. We are in the early stages of development and will be using a myriad marketing efforts to get Note Binder out there. However, every bit helps. It is just made more precarious if the name of the app doesn't even show up in a search result.
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It would be a developers demise if relying on app store search results was the only way one expected their app to be found. We are in the early stages of development and will be using a myriad marketing efforts to get Note Binder out there. However, every bit helps. It is just made more precarious if the name of the app doesn't even show up in a search result.
Good man :-)
Talking about every bit; Can appleinsider help here with a posting section!?
Talking about every bit; Can appleinsider help here with a posting section!?
We help with advertisements that you can buy. Please don't post ads for your apps anywhere in the forum, as they'll just be deleted (and if it's that account's first post, banned).
@tallest skil I know you're running a business and i wouldn't suggest anything against your policies. I was just wondering if such a possibility exist. You answered my question
Thank god. Searching the app store trying to find good apps is getting to be a nightmare. Any improvement in this area would be hugely welcome.
I really wish apple would implement a system like amazon's, where you see a "Customers also bought.." or "Similar to this app" list of apps. Many times you end up buying a sub-par app by mistake because you don't know the better apps out there in the same category.
I really wish apple would implement a system like amazon's, where you see a "Customers also bought.." or "Similar to this app" list of apps. Many times you end up buying a sub-par app by mistake because you don't know the better apps out there in the same category.
I would hate that, because I hate it on Amazon. I'm not other people and my interests are rarely–if ever–in line with that.
What needs to be done instead is subcategories of subcategories (of subcategories). It's insanity. It's inexcusable. I haven't gotten any new apps in… maybe three years now, simply because I can't find anything. No one can find anything when you have 600,000 apps and "Games" as your only category.
I want to be able to drill down. Games/RPG/Real-time Combat/Space. Utilities/Cleaners/Disk Space. Stuff like that.
I'm looking forward to see what Chomp can do. There may be thousands of apps, but most of us know what kind of apps we don't want, but we don't know what apps we DO want. I do not care about apps that:
- not supporting my language
- not supporting my location
- products beyond my price range
- have already been deemed horrible by people I know
- are laid out is a specific format (like sims)
- with in-app purchases and criteria on that (eg. that exceed $X)
- are not really "free" because it's just a free shell, and all the content is paid
- have only been tried by X other people
- are unreliable, and crash
Why can't you just give me that?? I'm positive they already have this data..
I find the best apps are the ones that you're not even looking for. If I'm looking for a "driving game", I know I'll find one. But how can I find those apps that are more in the "innovative" category, that you can't really describe? Anyways, filtering out what is irrelevant would surely help.
I agree with placing higher value on downloads than keywords for search results but it should also take into consideration ratings and reviews with reviews ranking higher in importance. There should also be the equivalent of Google's bounce rate - the time between an app install and a deletion. With so many factors and varied apps though, one weighting choice is always going to favour some apps over others unfairly and people will always find a way to abuse it. Google has been at this for ages and there's no way their algorithms are fairly weighted either.
Hear, hear! Ratings and reviews should be heavily weighted - I'm so tired of searching for apps and having several of the first group have 2- and 3-star ratings. Sorry, but given how critical people are over the dumbest things ("I wasted 99 cents and it won't instantly load when I'm in the middle of the desert! Fail!"), I'm not even going to look at apps that manage to have an overall rating of just 2 or 3 stars!
I really wish apple would implement a system like amazon's, where you see a "Customers also bought.." or "Similar to this app" list of apps. Many times you end up buying a sub-par app by mistake because you don't know the better apps out there in the same category.
I would hate that, because I hate it on Amazon. I'm not other people and my interests are rarely–if ever–in line with that.
What needs to be done instead is subcategories of subcategories (of subcategories). It's insanity. It's inexcusable. I haven't gotten any new apps in… maybe three years now, simply because I can't find anything. No one can find anything when you have 600,000 apps and "Games" as your only category.
I want to be able to drill down. Games/RPG/Real-time Combat/Space. Utilities/Cleaners/Disk Space. Stuff like that.
Agree with TS (except I don't hate it on Amazon; I've often found better products or more-on-point books that way). But I want to find simple, old-school shooter games, but doing even a quasi-complex search in the app store is pointless. I probably would purchase 2x to 4x the number of apps I do now, if the search process were more tailored and the results more reliable.
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Not to criticize you, but isn't that like relying on seo. I think that is a bad idea. Apple is in the business of giving their users the best experience with their device. So they will change policies from time to time to raise/improve user experience. I think you should do branding. You probably can't post the url of your site, but redirecting users from your server to the app store is i think better
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
If Apple would simply hire Google to help them with searching the App Store, all would be well. I don't expect that to happen.
Well in the sense that Google is the number one entity behind this "dumbing down" of searches and also guilty of the very thing I am complaining about ... I don't think that will help at all even if it did happen.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Well in the sense that Google is the number one entity behind this "dumbing down" of searches and also guilty of the very thing I am complaining about ... I don't think that will help at all even if it did happen.
He didn't have a very good way of saying it, but search options for finding apps in the GooglePlay store are more extensive/targeted than what's currently offered by Apple. Have a look if you're at all curious.
https://play.google.com/store/apps?feature=corpus_selector
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
He didn't have a very good way of saying it, but search options for finding apps in the GooglePlay store are more extensive/targeted than what's currently offered by Apple. Have a look if you're at all curious.
https://play.google.com/store/apps?feature=corpus_selector
I guess I'm not communicating well.
The Google link you sent me appears almost identical to the iOS app store search page and doesn't appear to have anything new or anything that isn't available in the iOS or Mac app stores. Neither of these, nor Google itself, offer the opportunity to indicate content that you *don't* want to see.
My point was that by letting us edit out the stuff we don't (ever) want to see, (essentially a black list), the navigation and searching of the store would be improved immeasurably. Neither site offers that and probably never will (because of the stupids), but it would be a boon (for the non-stupids) nonetheless.
For instance if I could say "no games, no sports, and nothing to do with cars" I could narrow down my searches by many orders of magnitude in one stroke. Tens of thousands of apps that I never want to see would disappear. If I could also add the names of developers to the black list when I come across some particularly egregious POS app, over time my searches would get better also. Most of the crap developers and scam artists produce dozens and dozens of apps, and huge amounts of useless results could be eliminated by means of a developer filter.
Ah, gotcha. What you want is a way to blacklist app categories, developers, perhaps certain permissions, etc. It's not about discovery (which I personally think GooglePlay does a better job with) but exclusion. I can't imagine any of the appstores will ever put that feature in place for assorted reasons.
It would be a developers demise if relying on app store search results was the only way one expected their app to be found. We are in the early stages of development and will be using a myriad marketing efforts to get Note Binder out there. However, every bit helps. It is just made more precarious if the name of the app doesn't even show up in a search result.
Good man :-)
Talking about every bit; Can appleinsider help here with a posting section!?
We help with advertisements that you can buy. Please don't post ads for your apps anywhere in the forum, as they'll just be deleted (and if it's that account's first post, banned).
I know you're running a business and i wouldn't suggest anything against your policies. I was just wondering if such a possibility exist. You answered my question
Thank god. Searching the app store trying to find good apps is getting to be a nightmare. Any improvement in this area would be hugely welcome.
I really wish apple would implement a system like amazon's, where you see a "Customers also bought.." or "Similar to this app" list of apps. Many times you end up buying a sub-par app by mistake because you don't know the better apps out there in the same category.
I would hate that, because I hate it on Amazon. I'm not other people and my interests are rarely–if ever–in line with that.
What needs to be done instead is subcategories of subcategories (of subcategories). It's insanity. It's inexcusable. I haven't gotten any new apps in… maybe three years now, simply because I can't find anything. No one can find anything when you have 600,000 apps and "Games" as your only category.
I want to be able to drill down. Games/RPG/Real-time Combat/Space. Utilities/Cleaners/Disk Space. Stuff like that.
I'm looking forward to see what Chomp can do. There may be thousands of apps, but most of us know what kind of apps we don't want, but we don't know what apps we DO want. I do not care about apps that:
- not supporting my language
- not supporting my location
- products beyond my price range
- have already been deemed horrible by people I know
- are laid out is a specific format (like sims)
- with in-app purchases and criteria on that (eg. that exceed $X)
- are not really "free" because it's just a free shell, and all the content is paid
- have only been tried by X other people
- are unreliable, and crash
Why can't you just give me that?? I'm positive they already have this data..
I find the best apps are the ones that you're not even looking for. If I'm looking for a "driving game", I know I'll find one. But how can I find those apps that are more in the "innovative" category, that you can't really describe? Anyways, filtering out what is irrelevant would surely help.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I agree with placing higher value on downloads than keywords for search results but it should also take into consideration ratings and reviews with reviews ranking higher in importance. There should also be the equivalent of Google's bounce rate - the time between an app install and a deletion. With so many factors and varied apps though, one weighting choice is always going to favour some apps over others unfairly and people will always find a way to abuse it. Google has been at this for ages and there's no way their algorithms are fairly weighted either.
Hear, hear! Ratings and reviews should be heavily weighted - I'm so tired of searching for apps and having several of the first group have 2- and 3-star ratings. Sorry, but given how critical people are over the dumbest things ("I wasted 99 cents and it won't instantly load when I'm in the middle of the desert! Fail!"), I'm not even going to look at apps that manage to have an overall rating of just 2 or 3 stars!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
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Originally Posted by enjourni
I really wish apple would implement a system like amazon's, where you see a "Customers also bought.." or "Similar to this app" list of apps. Many times you end up buying a sub-par app by mistake because you don't know the better apps out there in the same category.
I would hate that, because I hate it on Amazon. I'm not other people and my interests are rarely–if ever–in line with that.
What needs to be done instead is subcategories of subcategories (of subcategories). It's insanity. It's inexcusable. I haven't gotten any new apps in… maybe three years now, simply because I can't find anything. No one can find anything when you have 600,000 apps and "Games" as your only category.
I want to be able to drill down. Games/RPG/Real-time Combat/Space. Utilities/Cleaners/Disk Space. Stuff like that.
Agree with TS (except I don't hate it on Amazon; I've often found better products or more-on-point books that way). But I want to find simple, old-school shooter games, but doing even a quasi-complex search in the app store is pointless. I probably would purchase 2x to 4x the number of apps I do now, if the search process were more tailored and the results more reliable.
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