[quote name="AllanMc" url="/t/150679/apples-laptop-and-desktop-strategy-in-a-post-pc-world#post_2133222"]…they could also bring out a top of the range solid state based 4K 3D iMacPro model albeit expensive retina version…[/QUOTe]
$12,000 for the base model thanks to adding features that are either completely pointless or too expensive for anyone.
[QUOTE]…would make a suitable macPro cloud based desktop workstation replacement… [/QUOTE]
I stopped reading at "cloud", because no Mac Pro user will do anything but laugh in your face if you ever suggest that. Many of them would stop reading at "the iMac is a replacement".
[QUOTE]The next wave technology is also going to make use of active display touch surfaces which most competitors are already including Apple could make its Monitor into a hi res touchscreen,.[/QUOTE]
Not with OS X. So not for many years.
[QUOTE]Instead as they did with not including Bluray touch screens and 3D Apple will lag behind the PC world…[/QUOTE]
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Its a bit sad when all you do is negatively knee jerk dissect someones comment line by line for the shear sake of it, a bit like not seeing the wood for the trees and hence missing the larger point of what I was saying without forming your own intellectual opinion in response or maybe that was it?
One could say I was probably getting a bit ahead of things today but reality is as things come to be and cloud based professional computing is just around the corner if not already upon us. read up a bit on the Adobe, HPserver and nVidea websites, then maybe re-read all my post again applying a small modicum of vision then I'll be the first to admit I don't always get it spot-on the market place does tend to move in mysterious ways but the evidence is quite obviously stacking up in that direction.
I also seem to recall your similar response a couple of years or so ago when I suggested the demise of disc drives and the advent of a solid state macbk pro, seems you have a certain reluctance to the sound of the march of progress "Talest Skill". but I guess were all entitled... time will tell, again.
…missing the larger point of what I was saying without forming your own intellectual opinion in response or maybe that was it?
Which part? The retina display bit? They're just too expensive right now. Of course we'll get them and of course we'll even get multitouch. But not in the ways you're thinking.
…I was probably getting a bit ahead of things today but reality is as things come to be and cloud based professional computing is just around the corner…
Look, I get what you're saying here, but it's not going to happen. No business is going to put their intellectual property in someone else's cloud. The best we'd see is a gigantic server powering tiny terminals at everyone's desk. Then anyone can log onto any computer and have their files anywhere. Saves time/effort/money for promotions/demotions and the like, but it doesn't mean anything about the hardware, save that it'll get less powerful on the client side (again, this is business, not consumer).
I also seem to recall your similar response a couple of years or so ago when I suggested the demise of disc drives and the advent of a solid state macbk pro
I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that I would have ever said the opposite of what I'm saying now about optical drives and solid state HDDs.
Look, I get what you're saying here, but it's not going to happen. No business is going to put their intellectual property in someone else's cloud. The best we'd see is a gigantic server powering tiny terminals at everyone's desk. Then anyone can log onto any computer and have their files anywhere. Saves time/effort/money for promotions/demotions and the like, but it doesn't mean anything about the hardware, save that it'll get less powerful on the client side (again, this is business, not consumer).
OK Tallest Skill, its Sunday, so I'll give you a bit of my time in reply... Its nice to see all joining the digital solid state age, but it is time to consider going all the way, a bit like 10 years ago trying to convince companies to get a web presence to remain competitive today its get your head into the clouds or get left behind ! and not having your intellectual property in someone Else's cloud is simply not true... you bank online don't you?
I'll explain, 9 years ago I went pro digital photographer, it was a nightmare, I built up a unit full of apple pro run editing and printing business and tried to orchestrate employees to get it all done right to remain competitive and ended up becoming a new digital age pen pusher for my sins, a far cry from my creative sound stage and studio engineering beginnings, the digital age boxed me into limitations run by big business and was not pretty at all and to top it off cheap HD cameras made such a business impractical as prices tumbled so did profits, who wants to work hard bashing ones head against the wall for peanuts.
but over the last couple of years new gear has at last changed that messy toil intensive way of working into the modern era, the new RmacbkPro is truly a new wave of "tiny" computers with power onboard to put even my aging twin processor macpro to shame, far from "tiny terminal" it is a complete video and high res photography in the field pre editing/proofing machine that I can upload takes/rushes direct to a professional photography specialized and contract trusted cloud service business who's reputation depends on their secure probity.
Further more when I get home I know my work has been reassuringly automatically backed up and secure from any location I work from, I don't have to concern myself with maintaining or updating any other hardware other than my "tiny intelligent terminal". and I don't have to lug around those countless heavy bags either.
From my "tiny terminal" I can edit and control all my work anytime from anywhere, whats more I can offload professional workload to other connected professionals like colorist sound guys ect' to finish the job better than I could do even ready by the time I get home and only have to pay for work done all secured within the cloud service, I can employ as many independent contractors as needed when needed, this cuts my pain costs and overheads enormously and still gives independent specialist a boost for their income.
Whats more their is also marketing built in giving me 35 lines of photography product output potential without lifting a finger, OK so I have to press the enter key on my "tiny terminal" to avail myself of such a world wide fully tracked copy-write protected sales service with legal backup that I could not otherwise have the time to be bothered with or afforded.
Compared to running my own business all this online cloud service is a tiny cost that I use as and when I want, the result is I have time and peace of mind to now consider my own aspirations to a creative future whether it be working independently or on collaborations or even providing camera services for mainline institutions,
So now to have a new solid state retina ImacPro at home with just virtually as much power as a macpro would give me countless cloud connected possibilities even re-establishing a new direct online sound studio that could easily output direct to iTunes and other such services, and through the new newstand service one can contemplate running ones own magazine with download rights,
now that "tiny terminal" with its head in the live streaming real time clouds surely takes on a whole new meaning, would you not agree?.
Have you also looked at the servers being employed in Cloud ISP today 256 core HP Arm stacks in water cooled racks as far as the eye can see would make short thrift of any rendering for film and 3D time lapse with secure remote functioning programs guaranteed as safe as banking your money online which of course you do everyday and as with retina displays costs are tumbling, so my friend who laughs last...
As I said maybe I am just a touch getting ahead of myself for other folks but none the less we all already use cloud services, its already a business norm, soon all services will become cloud streamed to multiple convergent devices 3D video and surround sound and No! Tallest skill online mainstream 3D streamed gaming... don't go there, my son has just graduated and were already having shall we say "lively technology discussions" about it, the Matrix is real... wake up! wake up!.
[quote name="AllanMc" url="/t/150679/apples-laptop-and-desktop-strategy-in-a-post-pc-world#post_2133341"]…a bit like 10 years ago trying to convince companies to get a web presence to remain competitive today its get your head into the clouds or get left behind…[/QUOTE]
There's a reason you've been having to do this for a decade, you know. I mentioned it before: they don't want to do that. They don't trust the cloud.
[QUOTE] ! and not having your intellectual property in someone Else's cloud is simply not true... [/QUOTE]
Right. If they do their own "cloud", built themselves with their own hardware and maintained by them… which defeats the purpose, as anyone can log onto a properly set-up server from anywhere to anywhere without a "cloud" system in place.
[QUOTE]you bank online don't you?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]…far from "tiny terminal"…[/QUOTE]
You miss my point. With a centralized location for everyone's data, client-side computers need not be as powerful, and therefore businesses can save money. I speak primarily of large, cubicle-based firms, but also of any smaller size of business that would want to implement a system like that.
That doesn't exclude or exempt portable or desktop powerhouses, but they would be anywhere from a single to ten percent of the entire installation.
[QUOTE]…this online cloud service is a tiny cost that I use as and when I want, the result is I have time and peace of mind…[/QUOTE]
See, you can tell your clients this, and many won't understand, much less care, but others will simply stand up and leave because they don't want their stuff up there. I also can't understand how you'd have peace of mind by keeping your files (particularly your work-critical files) on hardware you don't control. Yes, it's just a backup, but the point is you don't have any control over what happens to your stuff up there.
[QUOTE]Have you also looked at the servers being employed in Cloud ISP today 256 core HP Arm stacks in water cooled racks as far as the eye can see… …with secure remote functioning programs… …so my friend who laughs last… [/QUOTE]
The hackers when they get all your information anyway. Like what happened to Sony just recently.
[QUOTE]…guaranteed as safe as banking your money online which of course you do everyday…[/QUOTE]
Again, no, but you didn't know that.
[QUOTE]…soon all services will become cloud streamed… [/QUOTE]
Nope. Not if common sense has anything to say about it.
[QUOTE]…3D video… [/QUOTE]
Fad. It'll pass.
[QUOTE]…online mainstream 3D streamed gaming…[/QUOTE]
Yes, like OnLive, which has proven to be pretty poor at what it does.
Wow! that speaks volumes... how do you think all these online services exist if no-one uses them? I guess some people didn't trust the wheel when that was invented either.
If we didn't push the boundaries and take risk then we wouldn't have won the 2nd world war, and Turin wouldn't have invented the computer and you would not have had the opportunity of writing this.
BTW I've heard talk that some banks who deal with your money online for you, are considering withdrawing the written cheque book service!!!
[quote name="AllanMc" url="/t/150679/apples-laptop-and-desktop-strategy-in-a-post-pc-world#post_2133383"]I guess some people didn't trust the wheel when that was invented either. If we didn't push the boundaries and take risk then we wouldn't have won the 2nd world war, and Turin wouldn't have invented the computer and you would not have had the opportunity of writing this.[/QUOTE]
Of course you'd use a tactic like that.
[QUOTE]BTW I've heard talk that some banks who deal with your money online for you, are considering withdrawing the written cheque book service!!![/QUOTE]
OK Tallest Skill, its Sunday, so I'll give you a bit of my time in reply... Its nice to see all joining the digital solid state age, but it is time to consider going all the way, a bit like 10 years ago trying to convince companies to get a web presence to remain competitive today its get your head into the clouds or get left behind ! and not having your intellectual property in someone Else's cloud is simply not true... you bank online don't you?
Having your IP in someone else's cloud is a concern even if you do use online banking. Ignoring that issue is something internet posters can do but CIOs have to actually consider carefully.
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but over the last couple of years new gear has at last changed that messy toil intensive way of working into the modern era, the new RmacbkPro is truly a new wave of "tiny" computers with power onboard to put even my aging twin processor macpro to shame, far from "tiny terminal" it is a complete video and high res photography in the field pre editing/proofing machine that I can upload takes/rushes direct to a professional photography specialized and contract trusted cloud service business who's reputation depends on their secure probity.
Further more when I get home I know my work has been reassuringly automatically backed up and secure from any location I work from, I don't have to concern myself with maintaining or updating any other hardware other than my "tiny intelligent terminal". and I don't have to lug around those countless heavy bags either.
LOL...you want to save TBs of raw and processed video in the cloud? Via wireless (any location)? You don't have to be some luddite to think this is stupid in 2012.
Given than eSATA and USB3 are kinda slow for the volume of data getting moved it'll be a while before these massively disk intensive services are in the (internet) cloud. Sure, once you have finished product that needs to be encoded in various formats you can use a service like Zencoder but there's a huge tradeoff between network bandwidth/speed and compute cycles in moving to the cloud.
Having your IP in someone else's cloud is a concern even if you do use online banking. Ignoring that issue is something Internet posters can do but CIOs have to actually consider carefully.
LOL...you want to save TBs of raw and processed video in the cloud? Via wireless (any location)? You don't have to be some Luddite to think this is stupid in 2012.
Given than eSATA and USB3 are kinda slow for the volume of data getting moved it'll be a while before these massively disk intensive services are in the (Internet) cloud. Sure, once you have finished product that needs to be encoded in various formats you can use a service like Zencoder but there's a huge tradeoff between network bandwidth/speed and compute cycles in moving to the cloud.
About 15 yrs ago stage sound mix and light control surfaces took all signal wires hundreds of yards to auditorium desks for processing and the sent back hundreds of yards to the stage stacks with massive radio interference and ensuing signal degradation ect ect, this limited the quality of sound that you could technically achieve live on stage, until some bright spark "Luddite" came up with the idea that you can remote the processors on stage and minimise the signal degradation, it took time to get it right but today virtually all sound light and video is now run by Ethernet from what has over time become quite intelligent control surfaces and the quality is live studio 192 sound recording standard that could not have been contemplated before and today virtually all up to date commercial computers and domestic hifi can deal with the recording and reproduction of flac AAC WAV 192/24 7.1 surround files with HUI display surfaces in the home despite being predominantly studio equipment, modern integrated HD 4K and medium stills photography files are also fully workable by low res workstation editing and then tying the said workstation to render the resulting artwork, the more expensive the system the more productive one can be,
I did also state in my previous entries above that "large institutions would probably have their own on-line cloud service centres but most smaller businesses will have to avail themselves of on-line cloud services to compete" and "Specialist cloud service providers and distributors would be entrusted as are banks entrusted with much larger sensitive finance business today" I also said " with a suitable connection for the data uploading", WiFi I'm sure common sense dictates will have to improve somewhat first for large files but optical fibers do such data density all day long, news video services work this way already today.
So you upload your takes and rushes to the trusted specialized cloud service for your industry where all co workers can low res remote work on the large files live on line easily achieved at HD 1080 resolution on remote workstations like the Apple IMac hopefully retina soon please, then simply autorender in the clouds and proceed to multiple product distribution marketing without further a do and finance is already linked in live, this is the speed of progress and what you will face as competition in future, one person or even small company could not compete with such cloud networked production facilities whether you trust it or not today.
Like the individual or band with engineer or not can record edit upload and distribute his or her work through ever easier to use software that automates the expensive specialist procedures out of the market place and gives the likes of Indi filmmakers a cloud based video (Vimo) forum to display and sell their work.
10 years ago I could command a decent living from specialized digital photography service, today anyone can do it from their laptop and tomorrow (meaning by next year) the video world will go the same way relying on cloud based specialists Adobe connected professionals working on iMac or Z1 solid state workstations probably working from home or small SOHO business team as a remote location.
What it's going to take is your seeing your work process from an equal but alternative perspective such is the means of progress, without embracing such vision Macs would not have achieved the almost solid state excellence it has become even today and without the "stupid" vision of a few "Luddites" we would never change and improve.
with the unrolling of optical www Internet connection and ever improving speed is making all I've said more and more likely every day right now this year, coupled with the fact that the software such as the likes of final cutX are becoming so easy and automated to use that almost any "Luddite" can make a reasonably acceptable edit job of it today with standards acceptable to pro houses.
So with a pro camera and a laptop I could take edit color and finish my film Photography graphics artwork with a relatively modest iMac and have my work accepted by the BBC National Geographic Discovery and presented on multiformats online with equal quality to pro houses and all payment automated straight to bank account, that just leaves the "Talent" bit that needs some working on... lol.
So this may denote a beginning of an end if not the end for the MacPro but hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registerred retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
About 15 yrs ago stage sound mix and light control surfaces took all signal wires hundreds of yards to auditorium desks for processing and the sent back hundreds of yards to the stage stacks with massive radio interference and ensuing signal degradation ect ect, this limited the quality of sound that you could technically achieve live on stage, until some bright spark "Luddite" came up with the idea that you can remote the processors on stage and minimise the signal degradation, it took time to get it right but today virtually all sound light and video is now run by Ethernet from what has over time become quite intelligent control surfaces and the quality is live studio 192 sound recording standard that could not have been contemplated before and today virtually all up to date commercial computers and domestic hifi can deal with the recording and reproduction of flac AAC WAV 192/24 7.1 surround files with HUI display surfaces in the home despite being predominantly studio equipment, modern integrated HD 4K and medium stills photography files are also fully workable by low res workstation editing and then tying the said workstation to render the resulting artwork, the more expensive the system the more productive one can be,
I did also state in my previous entries above that "large institutions would probably have their own on-line cloud service centres but most smaller businesses will have to avail themselves of on-line cloud services to compete" and "Specialist cloud service providers and distributors would be entrusted as are banks entrusted with much larger sensitive finance business today" I also said " with a suitable connection for the data uploading", WiFi I'm sure common sense dictates will have to improve somewhat first for large files but optical fibers do such data density all day long, news video services work this way already today.
So you upload your takes and rushes to the trusted specialized cloud service for your industry where all co workers can low res remote work on the large files live on line easily achieved at HD 1080 resolution on remote workstations like the Apple IMac hopefully retina soon please, then simply autorender in the clouds and proceed to multiple product distribution marketing without further a do and finance is already linked in live, this is the speed of progress and what you will face as competition in future, one person or even small company could not compete with such cloud networked production facilities whether you trust it or not today.
Like the individual or band with engineer or not can record edit upload and distribute his or her work through ever easier to use software that automates the expensive specialist procedures out of the market place and gives the likes of Indi filmmakers a cloud based video (Vimo) forum to display and sell their work.
10 years ago I could command a decent living from specialized digital photography service, today anyone can do it from their laptop and tomorrow (meaning by next year) the video world will go the same way relying on cloud based specialists Adobe connected professionals working on iMac or Z1 solid state workstations probably working from home or small SOHO business team as a remote location.
What it's going to take is your seeing your work process from an equal but alternative perspective such is the means of progress, without embracing such vision Macs would not have achieved the almost solid state excellence it has become even today and without the "stupid" vision of a few "Luddites" we would never change and improve.
with the unrolling of optical www Internet connection and ever improving speed is making all I've said more and more likely every day right now this year, coupled with the fact that the software such as the likes of final cutX are becoming so easy and automated to use that almost any "Luddite" can make a reasonably acceptable edit job of it today with standards acceptable to pro houses.
So with a pro camera and a laptop I could take edit color and finish my film Photography graphics artwork with a relatively modest iMac and have my work accepted by the BBC National Geographic Discovery and presented on multiformats online with equal quality to pro houses and all payment automated straight to bank account, that just leaves the "Talent" bit that needs some working on... lol.
So this may denote a beginning of an end if not the end for the MacPro but hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registerred retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
1) If you don't know the meaning of a word then looking it up is helpful before you make yourself look sillier. Putting it in quotes doesn't help.
2) Your example is exactly counter to the scenario you envision...meaning moving the sound processing closer to the stage vs remoting it far away. Your example, however, is pretty much the way that the computer industry has been moving since the mainframe era...more and more local processing power at your fingertips in ever smaller packages replacing centralized services. The reason you won't need a mac pro is because the mac book air is fast enough (with a few cards and boxes anyway) to edit 4K video if you can stand doing it on such a small screen. In real time. Needing only AC power and not a big ass data pipe that isn't available anyway in the middle of Denali and sometimes not even in some parts of DC without a truck and a microwave or sat link.
3) Good luck uploading your "takes and rushes" anywhere that that is bandwidth constrained. Good luck accessing your work from anywhere bandwidth constrained. And you still need to have a local copy of your takes and rushes in the first place to upload. Which means you're still hauling around these boxy things called disks to places you're likely to actually take photos that the beeb or nat geo would buy.
4) If you're going to be dependent on cloud resources anyway you don't need an iMac either. Of course, we used to do this all the time...it was called mainframes and dumb terminals. The trade offs, all these years later, remains much the same and until Intel fails to keep up with Moore's Law the equation isn't likely to change that much. Building ubiquitous high-speed internet infrastructure is harder and far more expensive than building faster local machines.
5) If there is one certainly beyond death and taxes it is that your ISP will suffer some major outage right before a major deadline or demo removing your access to the cloud at the worst possible time.
Like the individual or band with engineer or not can record edit upload and distribute his or her work through ever easier to use software that automates the expensive specialist procedures out of the market place and gives the likes of Indi filmmakers a cloud based video (Vimo) forum to display and sell their work.
10 years ago I could command a decent living from specialized digital photography service, today anyone can do it from their laptop and tomorrow (meaning by next year) the video world will go the same way relying on cloud based specialists Adobe connected professionals working on iMac or Z1 solid state workstations probably working from home or small SOHO business team as a remote location.
What it's going to take is your seeing your work process from an equal but alternative perspective such is the means of progress, without embracing such vision Macs would not have achieved the almost solid state excellence it has become even today and without the "stupid" vision of a few "Luddites" we would never change and improve.
with the unrolling of optical www Internet connection and ever improving speed is making all I've said more and more likely every day right now this year, coupled with the fact that the software such as the likes of final cutX are becoming so easy and automated to use that almost any "Luddite" can make a reasonably acceptable edit job of it today with standards acceptable to pro houses.
So with a pro camera and a laptop I could take edit color and finish my film Photography graphics artwork with a relatively modest iMac and have my work accepted by the BBC National Geographic Discovery and presented on multiformats online with equal quality to pro houses and all payment automated straight to bank account, that just leaves the "Talent" bit that needs some working on... lol.
So this may denote a beginning of an end if not the end for the MacPro but hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registerred retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
You're in favor of the end of the Mac Pro, yet you believe that Quadros have a future with Apple? NVidia can't implement half the features due to what Apple actually supports, so their value in OSX is severely diminished. Applications that run on workstation cards under Windows tend to test on whatever the typical mac pro cards are. They all test the 5770 and 5870. The Quadro 4000 isn't terrible. It's just lacking a lot of OSX features and the AMD cards have nowhere near the driver performance issues that they would encounter under Windows. OpenGL applications tend to heavily favor NVidia there. As to Apple and displays, their consistency has never been very good. Some people do use them. It's just a matter of what is good enough. Right now I could buy an NEC around the price of the TB display. At that point the TB display ceases to be even a remote consideration.
The other point I wanted to address was software. This happens with a lot of industries. A lot of software can be complex for different reasons. Sometimes it's a matter of features and flexibility. I can think of a couple CG and video compositing programs where you can just tear apart the UI, implement compiled plugin tools, complex scripts given the heavy rise of Python the past few years. What I've noticed is that it's likely that bright students will come out of college familiar with a much more diverse range of software and equipment as to a degree we're seeing many of the old ones start to ditch the old tools and clean up applications that contain code that's been sewn and layered since the 1990s. As these things modernize, they tend to become simplified. The only time this is a bad thing is when it lessens the amount of control granted by the use of an application. I can still spot the difference between good and bad work. It's just that there's a lot more that is really quite average.
I think i see where you are coming from guys, would I be not to far of the mark to assume you work in a studio with tri-screen video editing MacPro lionOs workstations ? filled with high budget Red 4K work-flows and deep pockets to afford it all, we were the behemoth dinosaur minutia of all the computing industry focus even in that bygone age.
Apple needs to evolve, new technologies become smaller more integrated and more capable (moors law), if Red brings out a dedicated rack processor you'd convert and drop Apple and its OS like a hot brick even at double the price, why? because Red would be flawlessly dedicated to do the ultimate perfect job of reproducing your Red based cinema film editing prior to networking the outlet on-line, its your end of the market.
The problem here is that only a few customers would afford such a system priced too high for the majority of potential users not to mention complexity of using outside such a limited trained market. where the MacPro was employed across a vast array of the creative film photographic and graphic design of recent years, the online iMac has now replaced most of that demand.
A new breed of independent film and documentary makers are using better broadcast quality simpler to use camera equipment, editing, finishing, collaborating and selling their work direct online today without the price of a Red or Arri system, this is giving opportunities to our younger upcoming generation who are not so creatively limited by the technical challenges of mastering studio procedures and fixed protocol.
Also the MacPro itself falls next in line to that bracket of potential customers using old server grade processing family that is costly compared to multi Arm processing that the server industry seems to be adopting and rolling out ever increasing higher speed video services.
I may be logical in thinking but the next generation could see a solid state iMacPro (6core Zeonmobile with blacknight or nVidea 686GPU and 1Tbt SSD) and a retina pro display, that could easily handle 1080p HD broadcast quality pro app video editing and two such parallel TB connected next generation iMacPros opticalTB connected direct to Red field SSD array if you wish could replace the studio MacPro within a similar price range or cheaper depending on use, and if the system could be Adobe standard certified like the HPZ1 then could be used as a on-line remote editing terminal using specialist servers for most business and creative work including offsite rendering, think about it... film makers could employ selected studios around the world to work non-destructively live online 24/7, like multi-location sound recording can be done today, or is such competition your fear?.
Adobe has standardized creative on-line software which Apple could do also for its cloud connected pro apps, and the quality of this software will only improve as specialized static software becomes superseded or left behind. FCProX is much easier to use than FCPro was, the quality is maintained even if some features are no longer there, change should be evolution, never be afraid to evolve after all we are human- I think?.
Its the same as moving your home multimedia or business based server to the cloud online, its a big headache and cost concern resolved, more compatibility and opens the door to many more possibilities freeing you from the workplace tether, and like shopping and banking on-line of ten years ago your just gonna have to get over your fears and join the creative cloud party, Yes! there may be hiccups along the way but they will also get sorted out, but the longer term (2/3yrs) results are going to be computing generation changing.
…hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registered retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
I may be logical in thinking but the next generation could see a solid state iMacPro (6core Zeonmobile with blacknight or nVidea 686GPU and 1Tbt SSD) and a retina pro display, that could easily handle 1080p HD broadcast quality pro app video editing and two such parallel TB connected next generation iMacPros opticalTB connected direct to Red field SSD array if you wish could replace the studio MacPro within a similar price range or cheaper depending on use, and if the system could be Adobe standard certified like the HPZ1 then could be used as a on-line remote editing terminal using specialist servers for most business and creative work including offsite rendering
Stop throwing random words together. This isn't CSI, and we're not the idiot CSI audience. We know what these words actually mean. No one gives a crap about "Adobe certification", either.
Stop throwing random words together. This isn't CSI, and we're not the idiot CSI audience. We know what these words actually mean. No one gives a crap about "Adobe certification", either.
ROFLAMO...yah, the random words strung together was pretty danged funny.
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$12,000 for the base model thanks to adding features that are either completely pointless or too expensive for anyone.
[QUOTE]…would make a suitable macPro cloud based desktop workstation replacement… [/QUOTE]
I stopped reading at "cloud", because no Mac Pro user will do anything but laugh in your face if you ever suggest that. Many of them would stop reading at "the iMac is a replacement".
[QUOTE]The next wave technology is also going to make use of active display touch surfaces which most competitors are already including Apple could make its Monitor into a hi res touchscreen,.[/QUOTE]
Not with OS X. So not for many years.
[QUOTE]Instead as they did with not including Bluray touch screens and 3D Apple will lag behind the PC world…[/QUOTE]
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Sorry, it's the truth.
Its a bit sad when all you do is negatively knee jerk dissect someones comment line by line for the shear sake of it, a bit like not seeing the wood for the trees and hence missing the larger point of what I was saying without forming your own intellectual opinion in response or maybe that was it?
One could say I was probably getting a bit ahead of things today but reality is as things come to be and cloud based professional computing is just around the corner if not already upon us. read up a bit on the Adobe, HPserver and nVidea websites, then maybe re-read all my post again applying a small modicum of vision then I'll be the first to admit I don't always get it spot-on the market place does tend to move in mysterious ways but the evidence is quite obviously stacking up in that direction.
I also seem to recall your similar response a couple of years or so ago when I suggested the demise of disc drives and the advent of a solid state macbk pro, seems you have a certain reluctance to the sound of the march of progress "Talest Skill". but I guess were all entitled... time will tell, again.
Which part? The retina display bit? They're just too expensive right now. Of course we'll get them and of course we'll even get multitouch. But not in the ways you're thinking.
Look, I get what you're saying here, but it's not going to happen. No business is going to put their intellectual property in someone else's cloud. The best we'd see is a gigantic server powering tiny terminals at everyone's desk. Then anyone can log onto any computer and have their files anywhere. Saves time/effort/money for promotions/demotions and the like, but it doesn't mean anything about the hardware, save that it'll get less powerful on the client side (again, this is business, not consumer).
I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that I would have ever said the opposite of what I'm saying now about optical drives and solid state HDDs.
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Look, I get what you're saying here, but it's not going to happen. No business is going to put their intellectual property in someone else's cloud. The best we'd see is a gigantic server powering tiny terminals at everyone's desk. Then anyone can log onto any computer and have their files anywhere. Saves time/effort/money for promotions/demotions and the like, but it doesn't mean anything about the hardware, save that it'll get less powerful on the client side (again, this is business, not consumer).
OK Tallest Skill, its Sunday, so I'll give you a bit of my time in reply... Its nice to see all joining the digital solid state age, but it is time to consider going all the way, a bit like 10 years ago trying to convince companies to get a web presence to remain competitive today its get your head into the clouds or get left behind ! and not having your intellectual property in someone Else's cloud is simply not true... you bank online don't you?
I'll explain, 9 years ago I went pro digital photographer, it was a nightmare, I built up a unit full of apple pro run editing and printing business and tried to orchestrate employees to get it all done right to remain competitive and ended up becoming a new digital age pen pusher for my sins, a far cry from my creative sound stage and studio engineering beginnings, the digital age boxed me into limitations run by big business and was not pretty at all and to top it off cheap HD cameras made such a business impractical as prices tumbled so did profits, who wants to work hard bashing ones head against the wall for peanuts.
but over the last couple of years new gear has at last changed that messy toil intensive way of working into the modern era, the new RmacbkPro is truly a new wave of "tiny" computers with power onboard to put even my aging twin processor macpro to shame, far from "tiny terminal" it is a complete video and high res photography in the field pre editing/proofing machine that I can upload takes/rushes direct to a professional photography specialized and contract trusted cloud service business who's reputation depends on their secure probity.
Further more when I get home I know my work has been reassuringly automatically backed up and secure from any location I work from, I don't have to concern myself with maintaining or updating any other hardware other than my "tiny intelligent terminal". and I don't have to lug around those countless heavy bags either.
From my "tiny terminal" I can edit and control all my work anytime from anywhere, whats more I can offload professional workload to other connected professionals like colorist sound guys ect' to finish the job better than I could do even ready by the time I get home and only have to pay for work done all secured within the cloud service, I can employ as many independent contractors as needed when needed, this cuts my pain costs and overheads enormously and still gives independent specialist a boost for their income.
Whats more their is also marketing built in giving me 35 lines of photography product output potential without lifting a finger, OK so I have to press the enter key on my "tiny terminal" to avail myself of such a world wide fully tracked copy-write protected sales service with legal backup that I could not otherwise have the time to be bothered with or afforded.
Compared to running my own business all this online cloud service is a tiny cost that I use as and when I want, the result is I have time and peace of mind to now consider my own aspirations to a creative future whether it be working independently or on collaborations or even providing camera services for mainline institutions,
So now to have a new solid state retina ImacPro at home with just virtually as much power as a macpro would give me countless cloud connected possibilities even re-establishing a new direct online sound studio that could easily output direct to iTunes and other such services, and through the new newstand service one can contemplate running ones own magazine with download rights,
now that "tiny terminal" with its head in the live streaming real time clouds surely takes on a whole new meaning, would you not agree?.
Have you also looked at the servers being employed in Cloud ISP today 256 core HP Arm stacks in water cooled racks as far as the eye can see would make short thrift of any rendering for film and 3D time lapse with secure remote functioning programs guaranteed as safe as banking your money online which of course you do everyday and as with retina displays costs are tumbling, so my friend who laughs last...
As I said maybe I am just a touch getting ahead of myself for other folks but none the less we all already use cloud services, its already a business norm, soon all services will become cloud streamed to multiple convergent devices 3D video and surround sound and No! Tallest skill online mainstream 3D streamed gaming... don't go there, my son has just graduated and were already having shall we say "lively technology discussions" about it, the Matrix is real... wake up! wake up!.
There's a reason you've been having to do this for a decade, you know. I mentioned it before: they don't want to do that. They don't trust the cloud.
[QUOTE] ! and not having your intellectual property in someone Else's cloud is simply not true... [/QUOTE]
Right. If they do their own "cloud", built themselves with their own hardware and maintained by them… which defeats the purpose, as anyone can log onto a properly set-up server from anywhere to anywhere without a "cloud" system in place.
[QUOTE]you bank online don't you?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]…far from "tiny terminal"…[/QUOTE]
You miss my point. With a centralized location for everyone's data, client-side computers need not be as powerful, and therefore businesses can save money. I speak primarily of large, cubicle-based firms, but also of any smaller size of business that would want to implement a system like that.
That doesn't exclude or exempt portable or desktop powerhouses, but they would be anywhere from a single to ten percent of the entire installation.
[QUOTE]…this online cloud service is a tiny cost that I use as and when I want, the result is I have time and peace of mind…[/QUOTE]
See, you can tell your clients this, and many won't understand, much less care, but others will simply stand up and leave because they don't want their stuff up there. I also can't understand how you'd have peace of mind by keeping your files (particularly your work-critical files) on hardware you don't control. Yes, it's just a backup, but the point is you don't have any control over what happens to your stuff up there.
[QUOTE]Have you also looked at the servers being employed in Cloud ISP today 256 core HP Arm stacks in water cooled racks as far as the eye can see… …with secure remote functioning programs… …so my friend who laughs last… [/QUOTE]
The hackers when they get all your information anyway. Like what happened to Sony just recently.
[QUOTE]…guaranteed as safe as banking your money online which of course you do everyday…[/QUOTE]
Again, no, but you didn't know that.
[QUOTE]…soon all services will become cloud streamed… [/QUOTE]
Nope. Not if common sense has anything to say about it.
[QUOTE]…3D video… [/QUOTE]
Fad. It'll pass.
[QUOTE]…online mainstream 3D streamed gaming…[/QUOTE]
Yes, like OnLive, which has proven to be pretty poor at what it does.
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you bank online don't you?
No.
Wow! that speaks volumes... how do you think all these online services exist if no-one uses them? I guess some people didn't trust the wheel when that was invented either.
If we didn't push the boundaries and take risk then we wouldn't have won the 2nd world war, and Turin wouldn't have invented the computer and you would not have had the opportunity of writing this.
BTW I've heard talk that some banks who deal with your money online for you, are considering withdrawing the written cheque book service!!!
Good luck mon aime.
Of course you'd use a tactic like that.
[QUOTE]BTW I've heard talk that some banks who deal with your money online for you, are considering withdrawing the written cheque book service!!![/QUOTE]
Not good banks. Therefore, not mine. ????
There are no "good banks"... ce la vie.
Of course not. And pardon my French, but "ignorance is bliss".
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OK Tallest Skill, its Sunday, so I'll give you a bit of my time in reply... Its nice to see all joining the digital solid state age, but it is time to consider going all the way, a bit like 10 years ago trying to convince companies to get a web presence to remain competitive today its get your head into the clouds or get left behind ! and not having your intellectual property in someone Else's cloud is simply not true... you bank online don't you?
Having your IP in someone else's cloud is a concern even if you do use online banking. Ignoring that issue is something internet posters can do but CIOs have to actually consider carefully.
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but over the last couple of years new gear has at last changed that messy toil intensive way of working into the modern era, the new RmacbkPro is truly a new wave of "tiny" computers with power onboard to put even my aging twin processor macpro to shame, far from "tiny terminal" it is a complete video and high res photography in the field pre editing/proofing machine that I can upload takes/rushes direct to a professional photography specialized and contract trusted cloud service business who's reputation depends on their secure probity.
Further more when I get home I know my work has been reassuringly automatically backed up and secure from any location I work from, I don't have to concern myself with maintaining or updating any other hardware other than my "tiny intelligent terminal". and I don't have to lug around those countless heavy bags either.
LOL...you want to save TBs of raw and processed video in the cloud? Via wireless (any location)? You don't have to be some luddite to think this is stupid in 2012.
Given than eSATA and USB3 are kinda slow for the volume of data getting moved it'll be a while before these massively disk intensive services are in the (internet) cloud. Sure, once you have finished product that needs to be encoded in various formats you can use a service like Zencoder but there's a huge tradeoff between network bandwidth/speed and compute cycles in moving to the cloud.
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Having your IP in someone else's cloud is a concern even if you do use online banking. Ignoring that issue is something Internet posters can do but CIOs have to actually consider carefully.
LOL...you want to save TBs of raw and processed video in the cloud? Via wireless (any location)? You don't have to be some Luddite to think this is stupid in 2012.
Given than eSATA and USB3 are kinda slow for the volume of data getting moved it'll be a while before these massively disk intensive services are in the (Internet) cloud. Sure, once you have finished product that needs to be encoded in various formats you can use a service like Zencoder but there's a huge tradeoff between network bandwidth/speed and compute cycles in moving to the cloud.
About 15 yrs ago stage sound mix and light control surfaces took all signal wires hundreds of yards to auditorium desks for processing and the sent back hundreds of yards to the stage stacks with massive radio interference and ensuing signal degradation ect ect, this limited the quality of sound that you could technically achieve live on stage, until some bright spark "Luddite" came up with the idea that you can remote the processors on stage and minimise the signal degradation, it took time to get it right but today virtually all sound light and video is now run by Ethernet from what has over time become quite intelligent control surfaces and the quality is live studio 192 sound recording standard that could not have been contemplated before and today virtually all up to date commercial computers and domestic hifi can deal with the recording and reproduction of flac AAC WAV 192/24 7.1 surround files with HUI display surfaces in the home despite being predominantly studio equipment, modern integrated HD 4K and medium stills photography files are also fully workable by low res workstation editing and then tying the said workstation to render the resulting artwork, the more expensive the system the more productive one can be,
I did also state in my previous entries above that "large institutions would probably have their own on-line cloud service centres but most smaller businesses will have to avail themselves of on-line cloud services to compete" and "Specialist cloud service providers and distributors would be entrusted as are banks entrusted with much larger sensitive finance business today" I also said " with a suitable connection for the data uploading", WiFi I'm sure common sense dictates will have to improve somewhat first for large files but optical fibers do such data density all day long, news video services work this way already today.
So you upload your takes and rushes to the trusted specialized cloud service for your industry where all co workers can low res remote work on the large files live on line easily achieved at HD 1080 resolution on remote workstations like the Apple IMac hopefully retina soon please, then simply autorender in the clouds and proceed to multiple product distribution marketing without further a do and finance is already linked in live, this is the speed of progress and what you will face as competition in future, one person or even small company could not compete with such cloud networked production facilities whether you trust it or not today.
Like the individual or band with engineer or not can record edit upload and distribute his or her work through ever easier to use software that automates the expensive specialist procedures out of the market place and gives the likes of Indi filmmakers a cloud based video (Vimo) forum to display and sell their work.
10 years ago I could command a decent living from specialized digital photography service, today anyone can do it from their laptop and tomorrow (meaning by next year) the video world will go the same way relying on cloud based specialists Adobe connected professionals working on iMac or Z1 solid state workstations probably working from home or small SOHO business team as a remote location.
What it's going to take is your seeing your work process from an equal but alternative perspective such is the means of progress, without embracing such vision Macs would not have achieved the almost solid state excellence it has become even today and without the "stupid" vision of a few "Luddites" we would never change and improve.
with the unrolling of optical www Internet connection and ever improving speed is making all I've said more and more likely every day right now this year, coupled with the fact that the software such as the likes of final cutX are becoming so easy and automated to use that almost any "Luddite" can make a reasonably acceptable edit job of it today with standards acceptable to pro houses.
So with a pro camera and a laptop I could take edit color and finish my film Photography graphics artwork with a relatively modest iMac and have my work accepted by the BBC National Geographic Discovery and presented on multiformats online with equal quality to pro houses and all payment automated straight to bank account, that just leaves the "Talent" bit that needs some working on... lol.
So this may denote a beginning of an end if not the end for the MacPro but hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registerred retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
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About 15 yrs ago stage sound mix and light control surfaces took all signal wires hundreds of yards to auditorium desks for processing and the sent back hundreds of yards to the stage stacks with massive radio interference and ensuing signal degradation ect ect, this limited the quality of sound that you could technically achieve live on stage, until some bright spark "Luddite" came up with the idea that you can remote the processors on stage and minimise the signal degradation, it took time to get it right but today virtually all sound light and video is now run by Ethernet from what has over time become quite intelligent control surfaces and the quality is live studio 192 sound recording standard that could not have been contemplated before and today virtually all up to date commercial computers and domestic hifi can deal with the recording and reproduction of flac AAC WAV 192/24 7.1 surround files with HUI display surfaces in the home despite being predominantly studio equipment, modern integrated HD 4K and medium stills photography files are also fully workable by low res workstation editing and then tying the said workstation to render the resulting artwork, the more expensive the system the more productive one can be,
I did also state in my previous entries above that "large institutions would probably have their own on-line cloud service centres but most smaller businesses will have to avail themselves of on-line cloud services to compete" and "Specialist cloud service providers and distributors would be entrusted as are banks entrusted with much larger sensitive finance business today" I also said " with a suitable connection for the data uploading", WiFi I'm sure common sense dictates will have to improve somewhat first for large files but optical fibers do such data density all day long, news video services work this way already today.
So you upload your takes and rushes to the trusted specialized cloud service for your industry where all co workers can low res remote work on the large files live on line easily achieved at HD 1080 resolution on remote workstations like the Apple IMac hopefully retina soon please, then simply autorender in the clouds and proceed to multiple product distribution marketing without further a do and finance is already linked in live, this is the speed of progress and what you will face as competition in future, one person or even small company could not compete with such cloud networked production facilities whether you trust it or not today.
Like the individual or band with engineer or not can record edit upload and distribute his or her work through ever easier to use software that automates the expensive specialist procedures out of the market place and gives the likes of Indi filmmakers a cloud based video (Vimo) forum to display and sell their work.
10 years ago I could command a decent living from specialized digital photography service, today anyone can do it from their laptop and tomorrow (meaning by next year) the video world will go the same way relying on cloud based specialists Adobe connected professionals working on iMac or Z1 solid state workstations probably working from home or small SOHO business team as a remote location.
What it's going to take is your seeing your work process from an equal but alternative perspective such is the means of progress, without embracing such vision Macs would not have achieved the almost solid state excellence it has become even today and without the "stupid" vision of a few "Luddites" we would never change and improve.
with the unrolling of optical www Internet connection and ever improving speed is making all I've said more and more likely every day right now this year, coupled with the fact that the software such as the likes of final cutX are becoming so easy and automated to use that almost any "Luddite" can make a reasonably acceptable edit job of it today with standards acceptable to pro houses.
So with a pro camera and a laptop I could take edit color and finish my film Photography graphics artwork with a relatively modest iMac and have my work accepted by the BBC National Geographic Discovery and presented on multiformats online with equal quality to pro houses and all payment automated straight to bank account, that just leaves the "Talent" bit that needs some working on... lol.
So this may denote a beginning of an end if not the end for the MacPro but hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registerred retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
1) If you don't know the meaning of a word then looking it up is helpful before you make yourself look sillier. Putting it in quotes doesn't help.
2) Your example is exactly counter to the scenario you envision...meaning moving the sound processing closer to the stage vs remoting it far away. Your example, however, is pretty much the way that the computer industry has been moving since the mainframe era...more and more local processing power at your fingertips in ever smaller packages replacing centralized services. The reason you won't need a mac pro is because the mac book air is fast enough (with a few cards and boxes anyway) to edit 4K video if you can stand doing it on such a small screen. In real time. Needing only AC power and not a big ass data pipe that isn't available anyway in the middle of Denali and sometimes not even in some parts of DC without a truck and a microwave or sat link.
3) Good luck uploading your "takes and rushes" anywhere that that is bandwidth constrained. Good luck accessing your work from anywhere bandwidth constrained. And you still need to have a local copy of your takes and rushes in the first place to upload. Which means you're still hauling around these boxy things called disks to places you're likely to actually take photos that the beeb or nat geo would buy.
4) If you're going to be dependent on cloud resources anyway you don't need an iMac either. Of course, we used to do this all the time...it was called mainframes and dumb terminals. The trade offs, all these years later, remains much the same and until Intel fails to keep up with Moore's Law the equation isn't likely to change that much. Building ubiquitous high-speed internet infrastructure is harder and far more expensive than building faster local machines.
5) If there is one certainly beyond death and taxes it is that your ISP will suffer some major outage right before a major deadline or demo removing your access to the cloud at the worst possible time.
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Like the individual or band with engineer or not can record edit upload and distribute his or her work through ever easier to use software that automates the expensive specialist procedures out of the market place and gives the likes of Indi filmmakers a cloud based video (Vimo) forum to display and sell their work.
10 years ago I could command a decent living from specialized digital photography service, today anyone can do it from their laptop and tomorrow (meaning by next year) the video world will go the same way relying on cloud based specialists Adobe connected professionals working on iMac or Z1 solid state workstations probably working from home or small SOHO business team as a remote location.
What it's going to take is your seeing your work process from an equal but alternative perspective such is the means of progress, without embracing such vision Macs would not have achieved the almost solid state excellence it has become even today and without the "stupid" vision of a few "Luddites" we would never change and improve.
with the unrolling of optical www Internet connection and ever improving speed is making all I've said more and more likely every day right now this year, coupled with the fact that the software such as the likes of final cutX are becoming so easy and automated to use that almost any "Luddite" can make a reasonably acceptable edit job of it today with standards acceptable to pro houses.
So with a pro camera and a laptop I could take edit color and finish my film Photography graphics artwork with a relatively modest iMac and have my work accepted by the BBC National Geographic Discovery and presented on multiformats online with equal quality to pro houses and all payment automated straight to bank account, that just leaves the "Talent" bit that needs some working on... lol.
So this may denote a beginning of an end if not the end for the MacPro but hopefully a beginning for a high end solid state iMacPro mobile nVidea mQuadro adobe registerred retina with a equal touch screen HUI artwork work-surface. stackable for those with bigger needs and pockets.
You're in favor of the end of the Mac Pro, yet you believe that Quadros have a future with Apple? NVidia can't implement half the features due to what Apple actually supports, so their value in OSX is severely diminished. Applications that run on workstation cards under Windows tend to test on whatever the typical mac pro cards are. They all test the 5770 and 5870. The Quadro 4000 isn't terrible. It's just lacking a lot of OSX features and the AMD cards have nowhere near the driver performance issues that they would encounter under Windows. OpenGL applications tend to heavily favor NVidia there. As to Apple and displays, their consistency has never been very good. Some people do use them. It's just a matter of what is good enough. Right now I could buy an NEC around the price of the TB display. At that point the TB display ceases to be even a remote consideration.
The other point I wanted to address was software. This happens with a lot of industries. A lot of software can be complex for different reasons. Sometimes it's a matter of features and flexibility. I can think of a couple CG and video compositing programs where you can just tear apart the UI, implement compiled plugin tools, complex scripts given the heavy rise of Python the past few years. What I've noticed is that it's likely that bright students will come out of college familiar with a much more diverse range of software and equipment as to a degree we're seeing many of the old ones start to ditch the old tools and clean up applications that contain code that's been sewn and layered since the 1990s. As these things modernize, they tend to become simplified. The only time this is a bad thing is when it lessens the amount of control granted by the use of an application. I can still spot the difference between good and bad work. It's just that there's a lot more that is really quite average.
I think i see where you are coming from guys, would I be not to far of the mark to assume you work in a studio with tri-screen video editing MacPro lionOs workstations ? filled with high budget Red 4K work-flows and deep pockets to afford it all, we were the behemoth dinosaur minutia of all the computing industry focus even in that bygone age.
Apple needs to evolve, new technologies become smaller more integrated and more capable (moors law), if Red brings out a dedicated rack processor you'd convert and drop Apple and its OS like a hot brick even at double the price, why? because Red would be flawlessly dedicated to do the ultimate perfect job of reproducing your Red based cinema film editing prior to networking the outlet on-line, its your end of the market.
The problem here is that only a few customers would afford such a system priced too high for the majority of potential users not to mention complexity of using outside such a limited trained market. where the MacPro was employed across a vast array of the creative film photographic and graphic design of recent years, the online iMac has now replaced most of that demand.
A new breed of independent film and documentary makers are using better broadcast quality simpler to use camera equipment, editing, finishing, collaborating and selling their work direct online today without the price of a Red or Arri system, this is giving opportunities to our younger upcoming generation who are not so creatively limited by the technical challenges of mastering studio procedures and fixed protocol.
Also the MacPro itself falls next in line to that bracket of potential customers using old server grade processing family that is costly compared to multi Arm processing that the server industry seems to be adopting and rolling out ever increasing higher speed video services.
I may be logical in thinking but the next generation could see a solid state iMacPro (6core Zeonmobile with blacknight or nVidea 686GPU and 1Tbt SSD) and a retina pro display, that could easily handle 1080p HD broadcast quality pro app video editing and two such parallel TB connected next generation iMacPros opticalTB connected direct to Red field SSD array if you wish could replace the studio MacPro within a similar price range or cheaper depending on use, and if the system could be Adobe standard certified like the HPZ1 then could be used as a on-line remote editing terminal using specialist servers for most business and creative work including offsite rendering, think about it... film makers could employ selected studios around the world to work non-destructively live online 24/7, like multi-location sound recording can be done today, or is such competition your fear?.
Adobe has standardized creative on-line software which Apple could do also for its cloud connected pro apps, and the quality of this software will only improve as specialized static software becomes superseded or left behind. FCProX is much easier to use than FCPro was, the quality is maintained even if some features are no longer there, change should be evolution, never be afraid to evolve after all we are human- I think?.
Its the same as moving your home multimedia or business based server to the cloud online, its a big headache and cost concern resolved, more compatibility and opens the door to many more possibilities freeing you from the workplace tether, and like shopping and banking on-line of ten years ago your just gonna have to get over your fears and join the creative cloud party, Yes! there may be hiccups along the way but they will also get sorted out, but the longer term (2/3yrs) results are going to be computing generation changing.
Stop throwing random words together. This isn't CSI, and we're not the idiot CSI audience. We know what these words actually mean. No one gives a crap about "Adobe certification", either.
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Stop throwing random words together. This isn't CSI, and we're not the idiot CSI audience. We know what these words actually mean. No one gives a crap about "Adobe certification", either.
ROFLAMO...yah, the random words strung together was pretty danged funny.
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ROFLAMO...yah, the random words strung together was pretty danged funny.
I can't wait for the french version.