I use Siri almost exclusively when I drive. Handheld devices are illegal here. Having google's 1/2 second quicker response doesn't do me much good if I then have to pull over and fill out the reminders form (see YouTube link, above). I think they missed the main idea behind Siri!!
Google's voice search looks superior to Siri in most domains, but I agree that they still have to develop how the app behaves and follows a conversation without the need for the user to interact. The fact that Siri directly asked when to remind the user is certainly a plus. The guy who did the video isn't objective since he forgets to mention which one works better when it's Siri.
Give me a break. It is no different than Apple has done for years of keynotes. Available same day for developers and available to the general public in 2 weeks.
Your predudice is remarkable even for a rabid Apple fan. It works as advertised according to those who have installed it. I have not installed it since I don't have an Android phone but given the 'demos' of Apple's glorious new maps solution I may have the need to try JB out very soon as what I've seen so far of Apple's vaporware looks very discouraging.
Really? I stated that Google should wait until they have a working product. They don't have a working product, just a demo. Apple, OTOH, has quite a history of keeping their mouth shut about things until the product is ready to go. You don't see the difference?
So where are the people saying that Google is artificially limiting Google Now from running on phones with older versions of Android OS and arguing that there are no resources needed to run the service.
I love apple as much as the next person, but as a lover of technology. Goole now makes siri look like a joke. I hope Apple comes out improves siri to make it as functional as Google now.
Sure. You love Apple as much as the next person - if you're sitting next to Tekdud.
More importantly, Siri's value is in what it can do, not so much the recognition accuracy. If I'm driving down the road, I can say "Siri, set an appointment with John for 9 am next Wednesday" and it will do so. If it misunderstands me, I can repeat the inquiry. Google voice won't do that.
Been trusting them since Gmail came out. They have a perfect track record with my data so why shouldn't I trust them?
Just curious how you know Google has a perfect track record with your data. How do you know how many times your personal information might have been sold?
Interersting... The above video was rigged to highlight Google's advantages (as was the Apple demo of Siri at WWDC).
Most of the requests were for things that could be delivered with [Google] web searches... Maybe even cached...
Odd that they didn't request anything that required specific answers ala Wolfram...
Or involved maps...
Or played music...
Or ran apps...
...maybe Google Now can't do these things?
Obviously, it was a staged demo - mstone's blind Google advocacy notwithstanding. It still won't do many of the things that Siri will do and until it's actually a product that the average user can get, all of this bragging about how great it is is meaningless.
So I've seen a lot of posts here lately complaining that Google is "spying" on you and that Google knows too much about you.
AppleInsider uses Google Analytics.
Does anyone else see a double standard here?
No. People have been complaining about AI using Google Analytics for ages.
Now, if the people complaining about it were the people who put it there, you might have a point, but that's not the case.
If SJ had said the exact same thing, you'd be hailing the future... It would sound like a SJ thing, really: removing complexity for the user...
You're missing the point entirely. My comment was that Google should wait until it's more than just a stage demo. Apple has a history of not bragging about technologies that might possibly be available at some unknown time in the future. Google apparently subscribes to the Microsoft philosophy: "create lots of cool demos and throw them out there to see what sticks, but don't worry about whether you actually plan to make it a real product or not".
In the end, this is going to be just like Android vs iOS. People who want a cheap knock-off will be happy with Android. People who want the best user experience will choose iOS. Same with Siri vs Google voice recognition.
Google's voice search looks superior to Siri in most domains, but I agree that they still have to develop how the app behaves and follows a conversation without the need for the user to interact. The fact that Siri directly asked when to remind the user is certainly a plus. The guy who did the video isn't objective since he forgets to mention which one works better when it's Siri.
The relationships aren't quite that simple. Apple sells advertising so it has advertiser customers as well. More important Google has to make product good enough to induce customers (end users) to buy products that use their operating system.
As a user of Google services, why do I care if Google sells aggregated information to advertisers? Or just as interesting uses that information to improve the provision of services to me?
Google's mission statement is: "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful." While Google's mission statement alone isn't troublesome, Google's collection of personal information is quite troublesome because Google's business model is the aggregation of user's personal information in order to target advertising to users. Thus, Google has far more personal information about users than governments or other businesses have about consumers.
* Google gathers details of how you used their services, such as your search queries (1)
* Google tracks cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account (1)
* Google collects telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls (1)
* Google logs device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL (1)
* Google collects device-specific information (such as your hardware model, operating system version, unique device identifiers, and mobile network information including phone number) Google may associate your device identifiers or phone number with your Google Account (1)
While such information is gathered by competing products and services, Google's vast range of "products and services" uniquely positions Google to collect more information about consumers than any other company. The problem with Google's vast network of information gathering is that Google has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of concern for consumers through their policies and practices. Furthermore, Google has consistently used very expedient methods to comply with or meet demands whether those of stockholders or governments. The vast amount of information collected by Google has arguably made Google the greatest threat to privacy ever known, a vast unsecured treasure trove of information that attracts hackers and online thieves, and; most worrisome; governments.
* Google has done very little to protect Android users from malware. Considering that many people have significant amounts of personal information on their mobile devices, I find this completely unacceptable.
* According to Sunnyvale, Calif., security firm Juniper Networks known instances of Android-related malware -- "virtually all" involving apps - have jumped steadily month by month from 400 in June 2011 to 15,507 in February 2012 (2)
* "San Francisco-based Lookout Mobile Security reported In August 2011, that "an estimated half-million to one million people were affected by Android malware in the first half of 2011." (2)
* Trend Micro of Japan, which has U.S. headquarters in Cupertino, Calif. - identified "more than 1,000 malicious Android apps" last year, 90 percent of them on Google's site and noted that the number of bad apps grew last year at 60 percent per month. Trend Micro has estimated the total this year "will grow to more than 120,000," (2)
* Google proclaims that "Since the beginning, we’ve focused on providing the best user experience possible. Whether we’re designing a new Internet browser or a new tweak to the look of the homepage, we take great care to ensure that they will ultimately serve you, rather than our own internal goal or bottom line." (3) This is in direct conflict with Google's business model which serves advertisers and is a serious, undisclosed conflict of interest.
* Google removed links to an anti-Scientology site after the Church of Scientology claimed copyright infringement in 2002. (4)
* Google handed over the records of some users of its social-networking service, Orkut, to the Brazilian government, which was investigating alleged racist, homophobic, and pornographic content in September 2006. (4)
* Google's mission statement "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful" didn’t stop Google from censoring their Chinese search engine to gain access to a lucrative market. (4)
* Privacy International has named Google the worst company in their 2007 survey and "hostile to privacy." (5)
* Google has used their dominant position with Google Search to prefer Google+ search results and has published results that include personal data which doesn't provide an opt-out option. (6)
* Google employees have vandalized OpenStreetMap by adding erroneous data. (7)
* Google collected emails, texts, photos and documents gathered from Wi-Fi networks using Google's StreetView cars to collect data. (8)
Really? I stated that Google should wait until they have a working product. They don't have a working product, just a demo. Apple, OTOH, has quite a history of keeping their mouth shut about things until the product is ready to go. You don't see the difference?
Uh they gave away to all attendees of IO phones and tablets that had Jellybean on them, with a fully functional Google Now. Just read Joshua Topolsky's tweets: he was very impressed when getting off his flight from San Franciso, his Nexus immediately (and without prompting him) provided driving directions back to his home from the airport.
Uh they gave away to all attendees of IO phones and tablets that had Jellybean on them, with a fully functional Google Now. Just read Joshua Topolsky's tweets: he was very impressed when getting off his flight from San Franciso, his Nexus immediately (and without prompting him) provided driving directions back to his home from the airport.
So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
I like how you switched from "working product" to "available now and finished". It is finished (Topolsky is the editor-in-chief of the Verge, not a developer), just not available yet (July is what I've been reading).
I like how you switched from "working product" to "available now and finished". It is finished (Topolsky is the editor-in-chief of the Verge, not a developer), just not available yet (July is what I've been reading).
Again, I've been following this industry for far too long to get excited about vapor. When it's available and people can use it (and we can have independent tests of its performance), then it might be worth considering. As of today, all we have is information from Google and Google's preferred developers. Hardly an unbiased source of information.
Just let us follow your every move, take note of what you do there... what you buy, drink, eat, and do, and we'll wait a minute what the hell are we proposing?
Hey why did that guy in the review call it "totally new technology" for Google?
According to a whole lot of trolls, Android has had this for years.
Look outside your box. Voice command has been around forever on Android, the added stuff (location recognition, activity recognition ect....) is new technology.
I think you are missing the point. They have a perfect record stealing your data with your permission. Why on earth would a multibillion dollar company give away everything they make. In each case it give them access to your personal data. Access to your friends and co-workers. They know what you do, when and how often. They even know what your friends do and where they work and anything else they share with you by email. They don't have to hack you because you trust them. If you have google voice, the calls are automatically transcribed and searched for data to market to you. Ever wonder why those damn spammer seemed to know everything about you. Because Google works for them!!!!!!!!!!!!! And public transit is actually provided by a number of apps that will be integrating the new maps. Apple doesn't say it directly but moving away from Google is about more than just the competition. They actually believe themselves to be stuarts of your data and know who Google really is but knows the public is too blind to see. So they just do their best to steer clear.
But who cares. The difference between Apple and Google regarding your data is that Google uses it with third parties to make money and Apple keeps it in house to make money. Either way, these companies are taking your personal data so they can make money. At any time I can switch off my location services and be done with it but I understand I am being tracked and prefer the personalized service I get from it. If I decide to be sinister, I will switch off my tracking.
Not when we have no control over AppleInsider, no. That's not how double standards work.
To get away from Google completely, one must stop using the Internet.
You do have control, do not come here. But to say it is ok in one instance but not ok in another is ignorance. It is either ok or not. To come here, knowing you are tracked to complain about being tracked makes zero sense.
So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
Or be Apple and just throw something out the door (Siri) which has shown in tests that it is only 60% accurate,
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Google's voice search looks superior to Siri in most domains, but I agree that they still have to develop how the app behaves and follows a conversation without the need for the user to interact. The fact that Siri directly asked when to remind the user is certainly a plus. The guy who did the video isn't objective since he forgets to mention which one works better when it's Siri.
"I see you're going to work. Would you like to start a list?"
You have to love the double standards from the Fandroids.
Really? I stated that Google should wait until they have a working product. They don't have a working product, just a demo. Apple, OTOH, has quite a history of keeping their mouth shut about things until the product is ready to go. You don't see the difference?
More Fandroid hypocrisy.
Sure. You love Apple as much as the next person - if you're sitting next to Tekdud.
Please give us some evidence that 'Goole' makes Siri look like a joke. In one controlled side-by-side comparison, Siri's accuracy was considerably better than Google's:
http://blog.thearorareport.com/2011/11/14/aaple-siri-voice-recgnition-trumps-android-voice/
More importantly, Siri's value is in what it can do, not so much the recognition accuracy. If I'm driving down the road, I can say "Siri, set an appointment with John for 9 am next Wednesday" and it will do so. If it misunderstands me, I can repeat the inquiry. Google voice won't do that.
Just curious how you know Google has a perfect track record with your data. How do you know how many times your personal information might have been sold?
Obviously, it was a staged demo - mstone's blind Google advocacy notwithstanding. It still won't do many of the things that Siri will do and until it's actually a product that the average user can get, all of this bragging about how great it is is meaningless.
No. People have been complaining about AI using Google Analytics for ages.
Now, if the people complaining about it were the people who put it there, you might have a point, but that's not the case.
You're missing the point entirely. My comment was that Google should wait until it's more than just a stage demo. Apple has a history of not bragging about technologies that might possibly be available at some unknown time in the future. Google apparently subscribes to the Microsoft philosophy: "create lots of cool demos and throw them out there to see what sticks, but don't worry about whether you actually plan to make it a real product or not".
In the end, this is going to be just like Android vs iOS. People who want a cheap knock-off will be happy with Android. People who want the best user experience will choose iOS. Same with Siri vs Google voice recognition.
I'd love to see your evidence that Google's voice search is superior to Siri 'in most domains'. In a side by side comparison, that's not true:
http://blog.thearorareport.com/2011/11/14/aaple-siri-voice-recgnition-trumps-android-voice/
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*Data just werkz.
Data is just there. A service just works. *eyeroll*
Google's mission statement is: "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful." While Google's mission statement alone isn't troublesome, Google's collection of personal information is quite troublesome because Google's business model is the aggregation of user's personal information in order to target advertising to users. Thus, Google has far more personal information about users than governments or other businesses have about consumers.
* Google gathers details of how you used their services, such as your search queries (1)
* Google tracks cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account (1)
* Google collects telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls (1)
* Google logs device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL (1)
* Google collects device-specific information (such as your hardware model, operating system version, unique device identifiers, and mobile network information including phone number) Google may associate your device identifiers or phone number with your Google Account (1)
While such information is gathered by competing products and services, Google's vast range of "products and services" uniquely positions Google to collect more information about consumers than any other company. The problem with Google's vast network of information gathering is that Google has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of concern for consumers through their policies and practices. Furthermore, Google has consistently used very expedient methods to comply with or meet demands whether those of stockholders or governments. The vast amount of information collected by Google has arguably made Google the greatest threat to privacy ever known, a vast unsecured treasure trove of information that attracts hackers and online thieves, and; most worrisome; governments.
* Google has done very little to protect Android users from malware. Considering that many people have significant amounts of personal information on their mobile devices, I find this completely unacceptable.
* According to Sunnyvale, Calif., security firm Juniper Networks known instances of Android-related malware -- "virtually all" involving apps - have jumped steadily month by month from 400 in June 2011 to 15,507 in February 2012 (2)
* "San Francisco-based Lookout Mobile Security reported In August 2011, that "an estimated half-million to one million people were affected by Android malware in the first half of 2011." (2)
* Trend Micro of Japan, which has U.S. headquarters in Cupertino, Calif. - identified "more than 1,000 malicious Android apps" last year, 90 percent of them on Google's site and noted that the number of bad apps grew last year at 60 percent per month. Trend Micro has estimated the total this year "will grow to more than 120,000," (2)
* Google proclaims that "Since the beginning, we’ve focused on providing the best user experience possible. Whether we’re designing a new Internet browser or a new tweak to the look of the homepage, we take great care to ensure that they will ultimately serve you, rather than our own internal goal or bottom line." (3) This is in direct conflict with Google's business model which serves advertisers and is a serious, undisclosed conflict of interest.
* Google removed links to an anti-Scientology site after the Church of Scientology claimed copyright infringement in 2002. (4)
* Google handed over the records of some users of its social-networking service, Orkut, to the Brazilian government, which was investigating alleged racist, homophobic, and pornographic content in September 2006. (4)
* Google's mission statement "to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful" didn’t stop Google from censoring their Chinese search engine to gain access to a lucrative market. (4)
* Privacy International has named Google the worst company in their 2007 survey and "hostile to privacy." (5)
* Google has used their dominant position with Google Search to prefer Google+ search results and has published results that include personal data which doesn't provide an opt-out option. (6)
* Google employees have vandalized OpenStreetMap by adding erroneous data. (7)
* Google collected emails, texts, photos and documents gathered from Wi-Fi networks using Google's StreetView cars to collect data. (8)
1. http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/. Google. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
2. Steve Johnson. Posted March 17, 2012. Updated March 23, 2012. http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_20182226/android-apps-targeted-by-malware?source=rss_viewed. San Jose Mercury News. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
3. http://www.google.com/about/company/philosophy/. Google. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
4. Adam L. Penenberg. October 10, 2006. http://motherjones.com/politics/2006/10/google-evil. MotherJones. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
5. Unattributed. June 8, 2007. https://www.privacyinternational.org/article/race-bottom-privacy-ranking-internet-service-companies. Privacy International. Retrieved March 29, 2012.
6. John Fontana. January 12, 2012 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/identity/ftc-asked-to-probe-google-search-integration/143 ZDNet. Retrieved May 22, 2012.
7. Lucian Parfeni. January 17, 2012. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Accused-of-Vandalizing-OpenStreetMap-Data-246965.shtml Softpedia. Retrieved May 22, 2012.
8. Hack Doyle and Daniel Bates. Posted May 27, 2012. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150606/Google-deliberately-stole-information-executives-covered-years.html. Daily Mail. Retrieved May 28, 2012.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Really? I stated that Google should wait until they have a working product. They don't have a working product, just a demo. Apple, OTOH, has quite a history of keeping their mouth shut about things until the product is ready to go. You don't see the difference?
Uh they gave away to all attendees of IO phones and tablets that had Jellybean on them, with a fully functional Google Now. Just read Joshua Topolsky's tweets: he was very impressed when getting off his flight from San Franciso, his Nexus immediately (and without prompting him) provided driving directions back to his home from the airport.
So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
I like how you switched from "working product" to "available now and finished". It is finished (Topolsky is the editor-in-chief of the Verge, not a developer), just not available yet (July is what I've been reading).
Again, I've been following this industry for far too long to get excited about vapor. When it's available and people can use it (and we can have independent tests of its performance), then it might be worth considering. As of today, all we have is information from Google and Google's preferred developers. Hardly an unbiased source of information.
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Originally Posted by bighype
Another shitty Google knockoff.
Because siri is original and NOONE ever thought of voice before Apple. /s
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Originally Posted by NotScott
Just let us follow your every move, take note of what you do there... what you buy, drink, eat, and do, and we'll wait a minute what the hell are we proposing?
Easily turned off if not desired.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Hey why did that guy in the review call it "totally new technology" for Google?
According to a whole lot of trolls, Android has had this for years.
Look outside your box. Voice command has been around forever on Android, the added stuff (location recognition, activity recognition ect....) is new technology.
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Originally Posted by bighype
Hahahha.... another Googledrone is trying to tell us that Google invented Siri before Apple made it popular.
Seriously, you're delusional or you're just a TROLL.
Yeah, thats what he said.
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Originally Posted by genovelle
I think you are missing the point. They have a perfect record stealing your data with your permission. Why on earth would a multibillion dollar company give away everything they make. In each case it give them access to your personal data. Access to your friends and co-workers. They know what you do, when and how often. They even know what your friends do and where they work and anything else they share with you by email. They don't have to hack you because you trust them. If you have google voice, the calls are automatically transcribed and searched for data to market to you. Ever wonder why those damn spammer seemed to know everything about you. Because Google works for them!!!!!!!!!!!!! And public transit is actually provided by a number of apps that will be integrating the new maps. Apple doesn't say it directly but moving away from Google is about more than just the competition. They actually believe themselves to be stuarts of your data and know who Google really is but knows the public is too blind to see. So they just do their best to steer clear.
But who cares. The difference between Apple and Google regarding your data is that Google uses it with third parties to make money and Apple keeps it in house to make money. Either way, these companies are taking your personal data so they can make money. At any time I can switch off my location services and be done with it but I understand I am being tracked and prefer the personalized service I get from it. If I decide to be sinister, I will switch off my tracking.
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Not when we have no control over AppleInsider, no. That's not how double standards work.
To get away from Google completely, one must stop using the Internet.
You do have control, do not come here. But to say it is ok in one instance but not ok in another is ignorance. It is either ok or not. To come here, knowing you are tracked to complain about being tracked makes zero sense.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
So a handful of developers who have demo systems is supposed to be 'it's available now and a finished product'?
Sorry, but I've seen too many claims that "the NEXT version will beat anything on the market today and will absolutely blow you away" to take it seriously. Let's see how it looks when it's actually on the market.
Or be Apple and just throw something out the door (Siri) which has shown in tests that it is only 60% accurate,
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/29/street_test_measures_siri_comprehension_at_83_accuracy_at_62.html
I guess in Apple's world over half is acceptable.
Oh, forgot, it is a BETA. /s
Fits in with your entire statement, then.
Could you also not post seven times in a row? Multiquote is there for a reason. Consolidate your trolling.