I wonder what will happen on the day we ban you. Can you give us a teaser of the other side?
The only volume it speaks is the quantity kind. If anyone else could provide the same number of chips and whatever else, Samsung would be out in the cold.
Just because I can give you 10 tons of shit it doesn't mean you'll take it, does it??
What abou the huge amount of features they have added? They more than make up for the one waste of time feature they removed.
No, that's missing the point. If you advertise a feature and someone buys the product because of the advertised feature, then you remove the feature after the sale via firmware update, it can be construed as false advertising. New features don't eliminate that.
No, that's missing the point. If you advertise a feature and someone buys the product because of the advertised feature, then you remove the feature after the sale via firmware update, it can be construed as false advertising. New features don't eliminate that.
They only took that "feature" away if you installed the corresponding firmware. If you wanted to keep it, then don't install the update. Of all of the PS3s sold, that "feature" was used very little. It was an expensive way of getting a linux box as well.
Did you also cry when the dropped PS2 support (via hardware changes), or SACD support (also via hardware changes)?
As I said, the addition of DTS-HDMA and 3D support (to name just two) are far more beneficial than losing the Other OS "feature"
Sony: now there's a sad company. I use to have a lot of respect for them but they've been going downhill year after year after year. It's a bummer, too, because they made a lot if of products in areas where it was nice to have a brand you could depend on.
What abou the huge amount of features they have added? They more than make up for the one waste of time feature they removed.
I'm sorry, but after customers paid over $700 (AUD) for earlier versions of the Playstation 3, only to have Playstation 1 and 2 game backwards-compatibility removed, the ability to use the console as a computer removed (which was initially advertised as a major feature), and the ability to play media removed (due to Cinavia DRM), I'm going to have to disagree with you.
However, I did like that feature where they allowed our un-encrypted credit card details to get uploaded onto the internet.
That was awesome!
There's a very good reason why you and a few friends could take a picnic hamper up onto the top of Sony's stock price on a lazy Sunday afternoon, have a nice lunch at the top, then comfortably hike down to the bottom...
I'm sorry, but after customers paid over $700 (AUD) for earlier versions of the Playstation 3, only to have Playstation 1 and 2 game backwards-compatibility removed, the ability to use the console as a computer removed (which was initially advertised as a major feature), and the ability to play media removed (due to Cinavia DRM), I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Hmm, you seem to be very mistaken.
I have two PS3's, a European launch model (mine was over 600 euro in 2007), and one of the later NZ fat PS3. Of the advertised features the only major (if you can call it major) thing taken away is the Other OS feature. The first one still plays PS1 and PS2 games, the other one still plays PS1 games
If your PS3 came with the ability to play PS2 games (early models), and PS1 games (all models) then you still have that feature.
Also, what media has the Cinavia DRM stopped you from playing? I haven't stuck any issues with media files
There's a very good reason why you and a few friends could take a picnic hamper up onto the top of Sony's stock price on a lazy Sunday afternoon, have a nice lunch at the top, then comfortably hike down to the bottom...
Sorry, I don't have shares in Sony, I don't really care about their stock price.
I have two PS3's, a European launch model (mine was over 600 euro in 2007), and one of the later NZ fat PS3. Of the advertised features the only major (if you can call it major) thing taken away is the Other OS feature. The first one still plays PS1 and PS2 games, the other one still plays PS1 games
If your PS3 came with the ability to play PS2 games (early models), and PS1 games (all models) then you still have that feature.
Also, what media has the Cinavia DRM stopped you from playing? I haven't stuck any issues with media files
yes it was bad, still what does that have to do with a "feature" being removed?
Sorry, I don't have shares in Sony, I don't really care about their stock price.
I can see your trying to make your point on a technicality, but the fact remains that features that were initially available on the PS3 console have been removed (via hardware removal) or software updates and that kind of stuff pisses off consumers.
Who cares if it was hardware?
Who cares if it was software?
The console lost the ability to do stuff it previously could.
And we were forced to do those firmware updates, whenever we inserted the latest 'Game X' and it advised us we needed to do a firmware update in order to play the game.
Consumers remember that kind of stuff when purchase time come alongs in the future.
And how was I wrong by not providing an example of issues of DRM issues?
You claimed they people lost their ability to play PS1 and PS2 games, if their console came with this function, then they still have this function. It has never been taken from models that come with it. You can't see this any other way
I can see your trying to make your point on a technicality, but the fact remains that features that were initially available on the PS3 console have been removed (via hardware removal) or software updates and that kind of stuff pisses off consumers.
Features? Again, you seem to be mistaken, it is not plural, it is singular . The "Other OS" feature is the only one to be removed. The PS1 and PS2 compatibility still exist on all models that came with them (every single PS3 made in the case of the PS1 games)
No one, because these features have never been removed from the consoles that came with them. Now I am saying this a number of times in the hope that you will understand this.
And we were forced to do those firmware updates, whenever we inserted the latest 'Game X' and it advised us we needed to do a firmware update in order to play the game.
You were forced? Sony came to your house, and made you install this? Can I ask you a question, did you want a PC, or a games console? There are much better, cheaper linux machines around, why do you need this "Other OS" feature?
Since we are on an Apple site, were you also upset when Apple removed features from OS X?
And how was I wrong by not providing an example of issues of DRM issues?
you said this
and the ability to play media removed (due to Cinavia DRM), I'm going to have to disagree with you.
What media can you no longer play due to the Blu-ray spec having the addition of this DRM added (not Sony). Also, are you also upset regarding the DRM that Apple forces upon you? If no, why not?
You claimed they people lost their ability to play PS1 and PS2 games, if their console came with this function, then they still have this function. It has never been taken from models that come with it. You can't see this any other way
But the feature was removed from later consoles versions. Big thank you to Sony for not supporting their own games and requiring customers to have TWO consoles.
The "Other OS" feature is the only one to be removed.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
...and 20 more have been added, significantly better features, are you also upset that Sony added features?
This is your opinion only (and, just for giggles, why don't you provide a list of these twenty awesome features. I mainly remember bloody large security and bug fixes).
You were forced? Sony came to your house, and made you install this?
Yes, I'd call not being able to play the latest games without having to install a firmware update forced.
Can I ask you a question, did you want a PC, or a games console? There are much better, cheaper linux machines around, why do you need this "Other OS" feature?
Personally, I didn't need it. However, many people were especially impressed by the fact that you could buy a games console and get a Linux box as well.
Since we are on an Apple site, were you also upset when Apple removed features from OS X?
An utterly irrelevant topic in this discussion.
Again, no one cares about losing "Other OS".
Once again, your opinion only, and I recall an awful lot of 'no ones' being extremely unhappy when this occurred.
What media can you no longer play due to the Blu-ray spec having the addition of this DRM added (not Sony). Also, are you also upset regarding the DRM that Apple forces upon you? If no, why not?
The media that you could play before the firmware update that removed this feature (you still haven't answered the question on how was I wrong by not providing an example)
But the feature was removed from later consoles versions. Big thank you to Sony for not supporting their own games and requiring customers to have TWO consoles.
Yes, that is what I have said, you have been saying it was removed from existing consoles.
This is your opinion only (and, just for giggles, why don't you provide a list of these twenty awesome features. I mainly remember bloody large security and bug fixes).
24p support
1080p upscale for DVD
DLNA support
AVC High Profile Support
AVCHD Support
Dualshock Support
Remote play functionality greatly increased
Blu-Ray profile 1.1
DivX etc support
Blu-Ray profile 2
DTS-HD Master Audio support
Trophy Support
3D Support for games and movies
DTS-HDMA output with 3D movies
These are just a few of the new features added, they have all been added since I purchased my PS3, and they are all features I use. There have been numerous other features added, but if you were actually interested you could have looked these up yourself
Personally, I didn't need it. However, many people were especially impressed by the fact that you could buy a games console and get a Linux box as well.
ok, so to answer the previous question, you weren't forced to install it, you wanted to install it.
No it isn't, you are complaining about one company removing features, when a number of companies (including Apple) do the same and yet that doesn't bother you.
The media that you could play before the firmware update that removed this feature (you still haven't answered the question on how was I wrong by not providing an example)
This DRM only stops pirated media from being played. Can you please provide an example of the pirated media you can no longer play to show this DRM has caused you issues. Has this DRM caused you any issues?
Yes, that is what I have said, you have been saying it was removed from existing consoles.
Um, I wasn't, you said other features had been removed, but then hadn't
24p support
1080p upscale for DVD
DLNA support
AVC High Profile Support
AVCHD Support
Dualshock Support
Remote play functionality greatly increased
Blu-Ray profile 1.1
DivX etc support
Blu-Ray profile 2
DTS-HD Master Audio support
Trophy Support
3D Support for games and movies
DTS-HDMA output with 3D movies
These are just a few of the new features added, they have all been added since I purchased my PS3, and they are all features I use. There have been numerous other features added, but if you were actually interested you could have looked these up yourself
So what did you want, the games or Linux?
ok, so to answer the previous question, you weren't forced to install it, you wanted to install it.
No it isn't, you are complaining about one company removing features, when a number of companies (including Apple) do the same and yet that doesn't bother you.
If you take the number of people that were unhappy about this as a percentage of the total PS3 owners, it is basically no one.
This DRM only stops pirated media from being played. Can you please provide an example of the pirated media you can no longer play to show this DRM has caused you issues. Has this DRM caused you any issues?
How about I save us some time and cut to the chase?
What is the purpose of your arguments?
Do you wish me to change my mind and suddenly decide that the Sony PS3 is an actually an awesome console that never lost any features, instead only adding awesomely new ones?
How about I save us some time and cut to the chase?
What is the purpose of your arguments?
Do you wish me to change my mind and suddenly decide that the Sony PS3 is an actually an awesome console that never lost any features, instead only adding awesomely new ones?
It is very simple.
You said this
I'm sorry, but after customers paid over $700 (AUD) for earlier versions of the Playstation 3, only to have Playstation 1 and 2 game backwards-compatibility removed
This is wrong, Sony has not removed these functions from Playstations that came with them, and they have never removed PS1 compatibility.
No I don't want you to change your mind, I want you to acknowledge that you said something wrong. I don't care what you think of the console in general, just stop claiming things that are blatantly wrong
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I wonder what will happen on the day we ban you. Can you give us a teaser of the other side?
Why would you do that?
I just said that Samsung is a copy cat, the same thing everyone here says? What's wrong with saying that? Everyone says it.
Just because I can give you 10 tons of shit it doesn't mean you'll take it, does it??
Are you claiming we're near our limit here? Because we are pretty close.
Pardon, 10 tons of crap.
No, that's missing the point. If you advertise a feature and someone buys the product because of the advertised feature, then you remove the feature after the sale via firmware update, it can be construed as false advertising. New features don't eliminate that.
They only took that "feature" away if you installed the corresponding firmware. If you wanted to keep it, then don't install the update. Of all of the PS3s sold, that "feature" was used very little. It was an expensive way of getting a linux box as well.
Did you also cry when the dropped PS2 support (via hardware changes), or SACD support (also via hardware changes)?
As I said, the addition of DTS-HDMA and 3D support (to name just two) are far more beneficial than losing the Other OS "feature"
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Originally Posted by jfanning
What abou the huge amount of features they have added? They more than make up for the one waste of time feature they removed.
I'm sorry, but after customers paid over $700 (AUD) for earlier versions of the Playstation 3, only to have Playstation 1 and 2 game backwards-compatibility removed, the ability to use the console as a computer removed (which was initially advertised as a major feature), and the ability to play media removed (due to Cinavia DRM), I'm going to have to disagree with you.
However, I did like that feature where they allowed our un-encrypted credit card details to get uploaded onto the internet.
That was awesome!
There's a very good reason why you and a few friends could take a picnic hamper up onto the top of Sony's stock price on a lazy Sunday afternoon, have a nice lunch at the top, then comfortably hike down to the bottom...
Hmm, you seem to be very mistaken.
I have two PS3's, a European launch model (mine was over 600 euro in 2007), and one of the later NZ fat PS3. Of the advertised features the only major (if you can call it major) thing taken away is the Other OS feature. The first one still plays PS1 and PS2 games, the other one still plays PS1 games
If your PS3 came with the ability to play PS2 games (early models), and PS1 games (all models) then you still have that feature.
Also, what media has the Cinavia DRM stopped you from playing? I haven't stuck any issues with media files
yes it was bad, still what does that have to do with a "feature" being removed?
Sorry, I don't have shares in Sony, I don't really care about their stock price.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Hmm, you seem to be very mistaken.
I have two PS3's, a European launch model (mine was over 600 euro in 2007), and one of the later NZ fat PS3. Of the advertised features the only major (if you can call it major) thing taken away is the Other OS feature. The first one still plays PS1 and PS2 games, the other one still plays PS1 games
If your PS3 came with the ability to play PS2 games (early models), and PS1 games (all models) then you still have that feature.
Also, what media has the Cinavia DRM stopped you from playing? I haven't stuck any issues with media files
yes it was bad, still what does that have to do with a "feature" being removed?
Sorry, I don't have shares in Sony, I don't really care about their stock price.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
On which bit?
The bit where you were wrong about PS2/PS1 compatibility?
The bit where you refused to give an example where the DRM has caused you issues?
or the bit where I don't care about Sony's stock price?
No matter what is the top spot brand in Asia today, well it is okay for me. Either its Apple, Sony or Samsung. As long it performs the best.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
On which bit?
The bit where you were wrong
I don't see it that way.
I can see your trying to make your point on a technicality, but the fact remains that features that were initially available on the PS3 console have been removed (via hardware removal) or software updates and that kind of stuff pisses off consumers.
Who cares if it was hardware?
Who cares if it was software?
The console lost the ability to do stuff it previously could.
And we were forced to do those firmware updates, whenever we inserted the latest 'Game X' and it advised us we needed to do a firmware update in order to play the game.
Consumers remember that kind of stuff when purchase time come alongs in the future.
And how was I wrong by not providing an example of issues of DRM issues?
You claimed they people lost their ability to play PS1 and PS2 games, if their console came with this function, then they still have this function. It has never been taken from models that come with it. You can't see this any other way
Features? Again, you seem to be mistaken, it is not plural, it is singular . The "Other OS" feature is the only one to be removed. The PS1 and PS2 compatibility still exist on all models that came with them (every single PS3 made in the case of the PS1 games)
No one, because these features have never been removed from the consoles that came with them. Now I am saying this a number of times in the hope that you will understand this.
The "Other OS", yes, and 20 more have been added, significantly better features, are you also upset that Sony added features?
You were forced? Sony came to your house, and made you install this? Can I ask you a question, did you want a PC, or a games console? There are much better, cheaper linux machines around, why do you need this "Other OS" feature?
Since we are on an Apple site, were you also upset when Apple removed features from OS X?
Again, no one cares about losing "Other OS".
you said this
What media can you no longer play due to the Blu-ray spec having the addition of this DRM added (not Sony). Also, are you also upset regarding the DRM that Apple forces upon you? If no, why not?
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Originally Posted by jfanning
You claimed they people lost their ability to play PS1 and PS2 games, if their console came with this function, then they still have this function. It has never been taken from models that come with it. You can't see this any other way
But the feature was removed from later consoles versions. Big thank you to Sony for not supporting their own games and requiring customers to have TWO consoles.
The "Other OS" feature is the only one to be removed.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
...and 20 more have been added, significantly better features, are you also upset that Sony added features?
This is your opinion only (and, just for giggles, why don't you provide a list of these twenty awesome features. I mainly remember bloody large security and bug fixes).
You were forced? Sony came to your house, and made you install this?
Yes, I'd call not being able to play the latest games without having to install a firmware update forced.
Can I ask you a question, did you want a PC, or a games console? There are much better, cheaper linux machines around, why do you need this "Other OS" feature?
Personally, I didn't need it. However, many people were especially impressed by the fact that you could buy a games console and get a Linux box as well.
Since we are on an Apple site, were you also upset when Apple removed features from OS X?
An utterly irrelevant topic in this discussion.
Again, no one cares about losing "Other OS".
Once again, your opinion only, and I recall an awful lot of 'no ones' being extremely unhappy when this occurred.
What media can you no longer play due to the Blu-ray spec having the addition of this DRM added (not Sony). Also, are you also upset regarding the DRM that Apple forces upon you? If no, why not?
The media that you could play before the firmware update that removed this feature (you still haven't answered the question on how was I wrong by not providing an example)
Yes, that is what I have said, you have been saying it was removed from existing consoles.
Um, I wasn't, you said other features had been removed, but then hadn't
24p support
1080p upscale for DVD
DLNA support
AVC High Profile Support
AVCHD Support
Dualshock Support
Remote play functionality greatly increased
Blu-Ray profile 1.1
DivX etc support
Blu-Ray profile 2
DTS-HD Master Audio support
Trophy Support
3D Support for games and movies
DTS-HDMA output with 3D movies
These are just a few of the new features added, they have all been added since I purchased my PS3, and they are all features I use. There have been numerous other features added, but if you were actually interested you could have looked these up yourself
So what did you want, the games or Linux?
ok, so to answer the previous question, you weren't forced to install it, you wanted to install it.
No it isn't, you are complaining about one company removing features, when a number of companies (including Apple) do the same and yet that doesn't bother you.
If you take the number of people that were unhappy about this as a percentage of the total PS3 owners, it is basically no one.
This DRM only stops pirated media from being played. Can you please provide an example of the pirated media you can no longer play to show this DRM has caused you issues. Has this DRM caused you any issues?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfanning
Yes, that is what I have said, you have been saying it was removed from existing consoles.
Um, I wasn't, you said other features had been removed, but then hadn't
24p support
1080p upscale for DVD
DLNA support
AVC High Profile Support
AVCHD Support
Dualshock Support
Remote play functionality greatly increased
Blu-Ray profile 1.1
DivX etc support
Blu-Ray profile 2
DTS-HD Master Audio support
Trophy Support
3D Support for games and movies
DTS-HDMA output with 3D movies
These are just a few of the new features added, they have all been added since I purchased my PS3, and they are all features I use. There have been numerous other features added, but if you were actually interested you could have looked these up yourself
So what did you want, the games or Linux?
ok, so to answer the previous question, you weren't forced to install it, you wanted to install it.
No it isn't, you are complaining about one company removing features, when a number of companies (including Apple) do the same and yet that doesn't bother you.
If you take the number of people that were unhappy about this as a percentage of the total PS3 owners, it is basically no one.
This DRM only stops pirated media from being played. Can you please provide an example of the pirated media you can no longer play to show this DRM has caused you issues. Has this DRM caused you any issues?
How about I save us some time and cut to the chase?
What is the purpose of your arguments?
Do you wish me to change my mind and suddenly decide that the Sony PS3 is an actually an awesome console that never lost any features, instead only adding awesomely new ones?
It is very simple.
You said this
This is wrong, Sony has not removed these functions from Playstations that came with them, and they have never removed PS1 compatibility.
No I don't want you to change your mind, I want you to acknowledge that you said something wrong. I don't care what you think of the console in general, just stop claiming things that are blatantly wrong