I must be missing something here. So what are they going to buy instead ... I have never seen a PC that wasn't a recycle nightmare. Maybe as some one joked, this is a prelude to going 100% iPad. /smile
Are you a recycling specialist? Apparently no, because glue does make recycling much more difficult.
And you are a specialist your self? Recycling specialist are undergraduate people who destroy things all days for living. I don't thinks glued battery is much more difficult to recycle than a CRT or any other electronics appliance.
Its not about whether it is possible to disassemble it, it is whether it is possible to disassemble it without it costing an arm and a leg. Everything is recyclable if money were not an object. So instead of spending a few $$ now to design it to be recyclable with simple tools (i,e, economically feasible), they make it cheaper up front and make it too expensive at the back end to recycle. Kind of like we pay for the cost of extracting and refining oil, but we don't pay the cost of the damage burning the oil actually does. If Apple is supposed to consider the entire life cycle, economically feasible recycling is supposed to be part of it.
I don't think it's that hard. A major part of EPEAT is about the ability of a user to disassemble it, and I don't think many do that. I'd love to prove that the glue can easily be removed, but I don't see the need to do that until after one has served out its useful life. Once you have a system, I doubt it would take more than five minutes to remove the battery. It may just be as simple as the gentle application of heat or cold on the outside of the shell and a dulled putty knife.
At first glance, this topic makes Apple look less righteous…, particularly with Al Gore on Apple's Board, given his High Profile on Environment Related Topics. I suspect that there is more to this story than meets the eye.
I also recall that Apple Stores accepted Apple Products for Recycling! So, if that is still in effect, all one has to do is bring their old Apple products to Apple Store, and Apple would take care if that the right way, in accordance with the Environment Laws… So, maybe those Laws need to be Updated? Maybe there is some Outdated Technicality in those Laws and Procedures that Apple disagrees with, and rightfully so? Maybe there is some Politics going on there that are not Friendly to Apple specifically? But I'd rather not consider any Conspiracy Theories particularly in the US Elections Year… !
It'd be great if Apple explained this officially, rather than allow Forums like this one, and media spin this in a way that might be unfriendly to Apple! Hopefully will hear about this from Apple directly and soon!
As to San Francisco - it's a GREAT PLANCE! The opinion of the few people, like politicians, etc anywhere, shouldn't lead to generalizing on larger things. Unfortunately, stereotyping like that is a Common Human Error….
I work for the Federal Government, and as a rule the organization I work for (which will remain anonymous) can only buy 5% of its purchases as non-EPEAT compliant. Therefore, Apple has painted themselves into corner on government sales at the US Federal level. If either EPEAT or Apple cannot budge you will see a large backlash of data on this issue. I'm not saying either should change, but the plain fact is that Macs and other Apple mobile devices won't be looked to as a purchasable item for government and educational use.
This is perhaps the largest mistake Apple could have made, politically speaking, with regards to government and education.
Apple makes a lot of decisions that we don't really understand at the time they'e made, which turn out to be quite sound later on, if not pure genius.
Precious few in the industry are as prescient as Apple. Smart money says this decision too, falls under the "holy shit, they were right all along!" heading.
Apple makes a lot of decisions that we don't really understand at the time they'e made, which turn out to be quite sound later on, if not pure genius.
Precious few in the industry are as prescient as Apple. Smart money says this decision too, falls under the "holy shit, they were right all along!" heading.
Apple is probably in the process of having the EPEAT standards updated as we speak.
For those that complain that Apple is going backward with the recycle-ability of their computers are missing the point. The problem isn't Apple or their products, it's the EPEAT certification that has not kept up with advances and changes in computer product manufacturing. I can just see the conversations Apple had with EPEAT people. Apple, "So we've made our products better with less or no toxic chemicals and they are fully recyclable and we'd like you to update the certification protocol to address this." EPEAT staff, "But Apple, none of the other manufacturers are able to produce their computers in the same way and they would all become out of spec if we made the change - so we're not going to change until the majority of other computer manufacturers copy your production methods."
Apple's response, "Go screw yourselves. We'll create our own program that makes your antiquated system look like exactly what it is - worthless."
I would make bets that I'm not far off from how things played out.
As to San Francisco - it's a GREAT PLANCE! The opinion of the few people, like politicians, etc anywhere, shouldn't lead to generalizing on larger things. Unfortunately, stereotyping like that is a Common Human Error….
I know what you're saying. Even though I'm bashing San Francisco here, the politicians in my city aren't much better. In my city, the mini-Stalin of a mayor is banning soda! Somebody needs to remind these people that this is the USA and not North Korea.
I don't think it's that hard. A major part of EPEAT is about the ability of a user to disassemble it, and I don't think many do that. I'd love to prove that the glue can easily be removed, but I don't see the need to do that until after one has served out its useful life. Once you have a system, I doubt it would take more than five minutes to remove the battery. It may just be as simple as the gentle application of heat or cold on the outside of the shell and a dulled putty knife.
Didnt those tear down sites(ifixit etc) try that?
Im sure its possible to tear down these macs, but these EPEAT rules are written for the average dumpster diver/charity org etc and not for the more sophisticated disassembler.
In the USA, EPEAT probably does not make sense for Apple because they take everything back anyways.. don't they?
The problem is that with the battery glued in it makes it much harder to remove the battery without getting the batteries chemicals all over you. You cant just heat up the glue to unstick it since there is now a battery in the way.
Also if apple makes there own program it still does not stop the fact that governments and schools now cannot order from them.
I do see apple making government and education only models that are certified by epeat .
In other news, Apple to move all business to Indiana.
So, governements should tailor their decisions to big companies possible business decisions rather than the public good?
Great thinking.
In other news, America in 2074 attacked Canada to relocate its citizens after several major nuclear plant failures. It is reported that the plants had been built with insecure reactors, a decision validated due to risks that the energy companies might move their business to Canada. Huh.
Yes, it's a political fiction to strengthen my point via exaggeration, for those who wonder how I got news from 2074...
Im sure its possible to tear down these macs, but these EPEAT rules are written for the average dumpster diver/charity org etc and not for the more sophisticated disassembler.
In the USA, EPEAT probably does not make sense for Apple because they take everything back anyways.. don't they?
If Apple has a governement&education hardware-retirement program, this is the worst non-news I've ever read on AI...
Apple's response, "Go screw yourselves. We'll create our own program that makes your antiquated system look like exactly what it is - worthless."
I would make bets that I'm not far off from how things played out.
Safeguarding Communities by Recycling Electronic Wares Union (SCREWU)?
Talking about iPads... I wonder if Apple will ever do a "Product RED iPad". I'd buy that in a heartbeat, even if they make it more expensive
I sure hope not! I don't want to think of AIDS every time that I picked up a bright red colored iPad. iPads look great the way they are now, they don't need any RED ones, in my opinion. I bet that the RED iPads would be a huge hit in San Francisco though, for some reason.
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This was dictated on my Mac
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX
Are you a recycling specialist? Apparently no, because glue does make recycling much more difficult.
And you are a specialist your self? Recycling specialist are undergraduate people who destroy things all days for living. I don't thinks glued battery is much more difficult to recycle than a CRT or any other electronics appliance.
I don't think it's that hard. A major part of EPEAT is about the ability of a user to disassemble it, and I don't think many do that. I'd love to prove that the glue can easily be removed, but I don't see the need to do that until after one has served out its useful life. Once you have a system, I doubt it would take more than five minutes to remove the battery. It may just be as simple as the gentle application of heat or cold on the outside of the shell and a dulled putty knife.
At first glance, this topic makes Apple look less righteous…, particularly with Al Gore on Apple's Board, given his High Profile on Environment Related Topics. I suspect that there is more to this story than meets the eye.
I also recall that Apple Stores accepted Apple Products for Recycling! So, if that is still in effect, all one has to do is bring their old Apple products to Apple Store, and Apple would take care if that the right way, in accordance with the Environment Laws… So, maybe those Laws need to be Updated? Maybe there is some Outdated Technicality in those Laws and Procedures that Apple disagrees with, and rightfully so? Maybe there is some Politics going on there that are not Friendly to Apple specifically? But I'd rather not consider any Conspiracy Theories particularly in the US Elections Year…
It'd be great if Apple explained this officially, rather than allow Forums like this one, and media spin this in a way that might be unfriendly to Apple! Hopefully will hear about this from Apple directly and soon!
As to San Francisco - it's a GREAT PLANCE! The opinion of the few people, like politicians, etc anywhere, shouldn't lead to generalizing on larger things. Unfortunately, stereotyping like that is a Common Human Error….
Apple makes a lot of decisions that we don't really understand at the time they'e made, which turn out to be quite sound later on, if not pure genius.
Precious few in the industry are as prescient as Apple. Smart money says this decision too, falls under the "holy shit, they were right all along!" heading.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Apple makes a lot of decisions that we don't really understand at the time they'e made, which turn out to be quite sound later on, if not pure genius.
Precious few in the industry are as prescient as Apple. Smart money says this decision too, falls under the "holy shit, they were right all along!" heading.
Apple is probably in the process of having the EPEAT standards updated as we speak.
[ a lot has happened in 6 years ]
Apple's response, "Go screw yourselves. We'll create our own program that makes your antiquated system look like exactly what it is - worthless."
I would make bets that I'm not far off from how things played out.
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Originally Posted by macologist
As to San Francisco - it's a GREAT PLANCE! The opinion of the few people, like politicians, etc anywhere, shouldn't lead to generalizing on larger things. Unfortunately, stereotyping like that is a Common Human Error….
I know what you're saying. Even though I'm bashing San Francisco here, the politicians in my city aren't much better. In my city, the mini-Stalin of a mayor is banning soda! Somebody needs to remind these people that this is the USA and not North Korea.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
I don't think it's that hard. A major part of EPEAT is about the ability of a user to disassemble it, and I don't think many do that. I'd love to prove that the glue can easily be removed, but I don't see the need to do that until after one has served out its useful life. Once you have a system, I doubt it would take more than five minutes to remove the battery. It may just be as simple as the gentle application of heat or cold on the outside of the shell and a dulled putty knife.
Didnt those tear down sites(ifixit etc) try that?
Im sure its possible to tear down these macs, but these EPEAT rules are written for the average dumpster diver/charity org etc and not for the more sophisticated disassembler.
In the USA, EPEAT probably does not make sense for Apple because they take everything back anyways.. don't they?
The problem is that with the battery glued in it makes it much harder to remove the battery without getting the batteries chemicals all over you. You cant just heat up the glue to unstick it since there is now a battery in the way.
Also if apple makes there own program it still does not stop the fact that governments and schools now cannot order from them.
I do see apple making government and education only models that are certified by epeat .
Stupid hippies.
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Originally Posted by majortom1981
Also if apple makes there own program it still does not stop the fact that governments and schools now cannot order from them.
They're ordering boatloads of iPads. iPads are immune.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
In other news, Apple to move all business to Indiana.
So, governements should tailor their decisions to big companies possible business decisions rather than the public good?
Great thinking.
In other news, America in 2074 attacked Canada to relocate its citizens after several major nuclear plant failures. It is reported that the plants had been built with insecure reactors, a decision validated due to risks that the energy companies might move their business to Canada. Huh.
Yes, it's a political fiction to strengthen my point via exaggeration, for those who wonder how I got news from 2074...
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
They're ordering boatloads of iPads. iPads are immune.
Can I haz iPad immunity too?
Talking about iPads... I wonder if Apple will ever do a "Product RED iPad". I'd buy that in a heartbeat, even if they make it more expensive
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Originally Posted by boeyc15
Didnt those tear down sites(ifixit etc) try that?
Im sure its possible to tear down these macs, but these EPEAT rules are written for the average dumpster diver/charity org etc and not for the more sophisticated disassembler.
In the USA, EPEAT probably does not make sense for Apple because they take everything back anyways.. don't they?
If Apple has a governement&education hardware-retirement program, this is the worst non-news I've ever read on AI...
Safeguarding Communities by Recycling Electronic Wares Union (SCREWU)?
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Originally Posted by lightknight
Talking about iPads... I wonder if Apple will ever do a "Product RED iPad". I'd buy that in a heartbeat, even if they make it more expensive
I sure hope not! I don't want to think of AIDS every time that I picked up a bright red colored iPad. iPads look great the way they are now, they don't need any RED ones, in my opinion. I bet that the RED iPads would be a huge hit in San Francisco though, for some reason.