San Francisco to cease Mac purchases without EPEAT certification

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  • Reply 81 of 195

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    Originally Posted by danv2 View Post

    This is perhaps the largest mistake Apple could have made, politically speaking, with regards to government and education.


     


    This is a hint of "Apple 3.0" -- The slow, arrogant, downfall of Apple, Inc. 

  • Reply 82 of 195
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

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    Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post





    Are you a recycling specialist? Apparently no, because glue does make recycling much more difficult.


     


    This would be dependant on both the glue and the materials used.  You are making an even more blanket statement than the one you are protesting, and likely have less support for your position than the original poster.  


     


    Two things seem clear to me:


     


    - When the spec was written, glued components were typically a recycling problem or they wouldn't have included that "problem" in the spec. 


    - A blanket ban on glued components is going to cover really nasty "bad" glue, but also cases where easily dissolvable glue is used as well.


     


    The other thing to remember about all of this is that EPEAT is not a government certification and can be easily modified.  Has it been reviewed since it's creation? Does it even have a built in process for review?  A "proper" government certification should have. 

  • Reply 83 of 195
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    A bunch of really sick people live in San Francisco. Isn't that the same city that banned happy meals a while ago? Those people are batshit insane. And they've also considered banning pets? Is that an actual American city or is it some little communist town run by radical, authoritarian, dictator wannabes? It's like a prison for freaks.


     


    As for San Fran banning Macs from being bought by city agencies, who cares? As the article said, Macs only make up a percent or two of their complete usage, so let 'em ban what they want. Apple doesn't need San Fran, and neither do I.



     


    Jeepers dude, please die soon.  


    Your old-age rants about "kids today" (or whatever is on your mind), are really getting crazier and crazier.  


     


    The other day it was "all Koreans" now it's "all San Franciscans"??? WTF?  


     


    Can't you exist without making broad, offensive generalisations about every group of folks that isn't old, white, and conservative?  


     


    To use a metaphor from what I assume is your generation ... lately you come across like Mr. Wilson from "Denis the Menace," (North American version not UK).  

  • Reply 84 of 195
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    This is a hint of "Apple 3.0" -- The slow, arrogant, downfall of Apple, Inc. 

    You forgot to add "Steve would have never let this happen!'
  • Reply 85 of 195
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member

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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    Funny how posters here assume that Apple shot itself in the foot. Do you think Apple did this in a daze without considering the ramifications? Do you think Apple doesn't have something in the works to address this? Do you think Tim Cook is stupid? The rumor is that Apple will propose new EPEAT standards that update the reality of environmentally safe manufacturing. 





    Jony Ive is just evil and spends his free time dumping Macs in landfills.  He doesn't give a damn about the environment if it costs him a millimeter of thinness. /s

  • Reply 86 of 195
    kellya74ukellya74u Posts: 171member


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  • Reply 87 of 195
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

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    Originally Posted by lightknight View Post




    So, governements should tailor their decisions to big companies possible business decisions rather than the public good?


    Great thinking.


     


    In other news, America in 2074 attacked Canada to relocate its citizens after several major nuclear plant failures. It is reported that the plants had been built with insecure reactors, a decision validated due to risks that the energy companies might move their business to Canada. Huh.


     


    Yes, it's a political fiction to strengthen my point via exaggeration, for those who wonder how I got news from 2074...



     


    The USA only attacked Canada once (we were the very first attack by the very first US Armed forces), but they lost.  Quite badly too.   


     


    If Canada wasn't so damn polite and gave all the territory they won off the USA back, everything North of the Mississippi would be Canada right now.  

  • Reply 88 of 195
    poochpooch Posts: 768member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    I don't know about you personally, I'm referring to your politicians, and when I mean sick, I am referring to mental issues.





    are you a medical doctor?  pshychologist?  psychiatrist?  can you please post your credentials?  have you examined our politicians?  can you post a link to your report?

  • Reply 89 of 195
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member

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    Originally Posted by agramonte View Post


     


     


    If you live in the USA you need San Francisco.



     


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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post





    Uh, for what?


     


    For the chase scene in Bullitt, duh!

  • Reply 90 of 195
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,650member

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    Originally Posted by Pooch View Post




    are you a medical doctor?  pshychologist?  psychiatrist?  can you please post your credentials?  have you examined our politicians?  can you post a link to your report?



    No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. You shouldn't take everything that you read so seriously.

  • Reply 91 of 195
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,650member

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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


     


    Jeepers dude, please die soon.  


    Your old-age rants about "kids today" (or whatever is on your mind), are really getting crazier and crazier.  


     


    The other day it was "all Koreans" now it's "all San Franciscans"??? WTF?  


     


    Can't you exist without making broad, offensive generalisations about every group of folks that isn't old, white, and conservative?  


     


    To use a metaphor from what I assume is your generation ... lately you come across like Mr. Wilson from "Denis the Menace," (North American version not UK).  



    You seem to have an issue with old people, you should examine your bigotry.


     


    And just for the record, I'm neither a kid, nor am I old. So unfortunately for you, I'll be around for quite a while, unless I get hit by a bus or something later on today.

  • Reply 92 of 195
    patranuspatranus Posts: 366member


    Pointless nanny state regulations which are nothing more than a program to line the pockets of special interest groups standing in the way of the advancement of technology.


    (Remember these are the same ass clowns who block nuclear)

  • Reply 93 of 195
    patranuspatranus Posts: 366member

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    Originally Posted by bottleworks View Post


     


    This is a hint of "Apple 3.0" -- The slow, arrogant, downfall of Apple, Inc. 



     


    Downfall of what?


    The MacBook Pro with Retna Display is the best laptop on the market.

  • Reply 94 of 195


    Tim Cook is a bean counter MBA type.  The company is making money hand over fist, but what does he do?  He glues in the batteries on a $2500+ laptop to save a bit on machining.  He institutes a proprietary solid state drive system so users can't upgrade their SSD after purchase.  He forces users to max out their memory by making it non-upgradeable.  I don't buy the argument that what's OK for iPads and iPhones is OK for a pro-level $2500+ laptop.  The iPad is a compact device with a much lower price tag.  It has a different purpose.  An elite laptop is a full computer.  It is built with a different philosophy and for a different purpose.  If I choose to spend my money on an elite laptop, I expect the freedom to fix and upgrade my machine.  I don't expect a souped up iPad with a keyboard and a nice screen.

  • Reply 95 of 195
    poochpooch Posts: 768member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. You shouldn't take everything that you read so seriously.





    you shouldn't make such broad, ignorant, bigoted statements so lightly.

  • Reply 96 of 195
    sierrajeffsierrajeff Posts: 366member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    A bunch of really sick people live in San Francisco. Isn't that the same city that banned happy meals a while ago? Those people are batshit insane. And they've also considered banning pets? Is that an actual American city or is it some little communist town run by radical, authoritarian, dictator wannabes? It's like a prison for freaks.


     


    As for San Fran banning Macs from being bought by city agencies, who cares? As the article said, Macs only make up a percent or two of their complete usage, so let 'em ban what they want. Apple doesn't need San Fran, and neither do I.





    Fine, then don't come here.  I happen to love it more than just about anywhere, and I've been in 48 states and several countries.


     


    But the take-away from this story shouldn't be "wacko San Francisco strikes again"; it should be the very real concern that a lot of buyers -- government agencies, and private sector -- either are required to limit their purchases to items that meet certain criteria, or have to jump through some kind of hoop to buy a product that doesn't meet those criteria (for example, filling out extra paperwork, doing a cost/benefit analysis, getting higher-level approval, etc.)


     


    If a buyer is told that they'll have to explain the purchase of a product that's not on some approved list, whereas they don't have to explain a purchase if it is on the list ... well guess what they're going to buy!

  • Reply 97 of 195
    msimpsonmsimpson Posts: 452member

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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    Funny how posters here assume that Apple shot itself in the foot. Do you think Apple did this in a daze without considering the ramifications? Do you think Apple doesn't have something in the works to address this? Do you think Tim Cook is stupid? The rumor is that Apple will propose new EPEAT standards that update the reality of environmentally safe manufacturing. 



     


    Do I think Tim Cook is stupid?  No.


     


    Do I think San Francisco is stupid?  Definitely


     


    Do I think most of the people posting here are stupid?  Most definitely.

  • Reply 98 of 195
    sierrajeffsierrajeff Posts: 366member

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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


     


    The USA only attacked Canada once (we were the very first attack by the very first US Armed forces), but they lost.  Quite badly too.   


     


    If Canada wasn't so damn polite and gave all the territory they won off the USA back, everything North of the Mississippi would be Canada right now.  



     


    Welll... except it wasn't really "Canada" then, at least not as we know it, it was a British colony (not even yet a dominion).  And that land "North of the Mississippi" (I presume you mean north of the Ohio; except for the Mesabi Range there's little land "north" of the Mississippi) was actually allotted to the United States in the treaty that ended the War of Independence, when *Britain* lost... quite badly, too.

  • Reply 99 of 195
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Tim Cook is a bean counter MBA type.  The company is making money hand over fist, but what does he do?  He glues in the batteries on a $2500+ laptop to save a bit on machining.  He institutes a proprietary solid state drive system so users can't upgrade their SSD after purchase.  He forces users to max out their memory by making it non-upgradeable.  I don't buy the argument that what's OK for iPads and iPhones is OK for a pro-level $2500+ laptop.  The iPad is a compact device with a much lower price tag.  It has a different purpose.  An elite laptop is a full computer.  It is built with a different philosophy and for a different purpose.  If I choose to spend my money on an elite laptop, I expect the freedom to fix and upgrade my machine.  I don't expect a souped up iPad with a keyboard and a nice screen.

    Time Cook didn't design the MacBook Air nor was he in charge of Apple when it was created. On top of that, Cook wasn't even in charge with the RMBP project was started.

    PS: You forgot to add "Steve would never have let this happen!"
  • Reply 100 of 195


    No one is stupid: Tim Cook or anyone posting here. Some of us may be driven by passion for Apple products. But one thing is certain, as I posted last week on this news, the visionary of Apple is gone. Being able to see beyond the immediate horizon is a rare thing (visionaries don't tend to work for others because others may not help them realize their vision). Tom Cook and Jon Ive, all are smartness and brilliant but they probably didn't know why Steve Jobs made Apple so green, put Al Gore on the board, why did he want to manage perceptions in a particular way? Perhaps, he believed in it deeply, and thought such certifications are important for the evaluating green-ness of a company. Or, perhaps, it was a great marketing move...We won't know. What we do know that Apple executives haven't thought through the repercussions of this too well. It's not like withdrawing from MacWorld Expo. But the company will continue to be the leader for the next 10 years, after that it'll be just another corporation, like HP, Dell, and ahem, Microsoft.

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