…the July 25th release date of Mountain Lion, that all the other Apple sites are reporting. I guess reality just is not as much fun as wild speculation.
It's a good thing this isn't the 5th iPhone then, isn't it!
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
This 5 year old design of the front panel does not seem to go anywhere.
For two more years and likely more we are stuck with 30% of wasted real estate.
Well, it was a such an opportunity to make it right along with UI and resolution change.
Well, in fact there is a giant picture at the top of this article of the new bezels and they are quite a bit smaller than on the 4s, so in fact they *have* changed the bezels, and they *have* made them smaller.
It's pretty clear even without measuring (and I'm not sure how this picture is all over the Interwebs this morning without anyone thinking to actually measure it), that the top and bottom bezels are narrower by about 2-3mm each. The ratio of screen to bezel has clearly gone up although without measurements it's difficult to say how much.
The bezels couldn't actually be any smaller without losing essential features like the Home button or not being able to hold the phone when gaming etc. I'm not sure what you expected given the normal constraints of being able to hold the phone, pick it up easily etc.
funny, as everyone saying it will sell millions but no one particularly crazy about the design. If this is indeed iPhone 5, imho this is the biggest strategic mistake of Apple in the last decade because the new form is just is a tiny 0.5" lengthening of the screen. Consumer preference gradually shifting to larger screens - and the usual contra-argument "Who wants to hold a giant thing next to their ears" does not really cut anymore. People use phones for anything but talking. While many people will still insist that 3.5" screen is the coolest thing ever, what is really important here, is to spot the trend. Gradually and persistently large screens become cool. While in the US, 3.5" iPhone still rules, I see that in other parts of the world people oddly fall in love with even super-large screens (Galaxy Note for example). This is because a larger screen is more functional for anything but talking. And what is cool is ultimately defined by functionality. I think the new long iPhone will sell millions but it will be the first Apple phone which will sell less than its predecessor..
Well I sure can agree with much of your point, but yet I wouldn't bet on the last sentence.
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
I favour keeping the identifiers since they are currently keeping multiple models on sale. The fact that they haven't given a number to the latest iPad is kind of annoying in everyday practice and everyone is calling it the "3" anyway. The fact that they haven't given it a number and that it is visually almost identical to the 2.0 version just adds an extra layer of confusion for no reason. I've had to deal with lots and lots of non-tech people who are confused over this.
For that reason, I would go with "iPhone 6" although there is *some* logic to the iPhone 5 name if you ignore the fact that the 3G iPhone was actually the second one.
My guess is someone with time on their hands and access to a 3D printer created these two models we are looking at in the picture. Simple easy thing to do.
at 16:9 what's the pixel dimensions going to be? Until someone answers that intelligently (including how the extra pixels will be used) , I can't see them changing the screen size beyond the current 3.5" screen.
Apple won't be creating 8 different iOS screen real estates.... 480x320 (3GS) 960x640, 1024*768, 2048x1536 will be it for 2012/13.
Now... I can only see the screen changing on the phone when the 3GS is totally retired (2013). Tim Cook wants all the developers to develop to the iPad2/3, and the iPhone 4gs(5), and swamp the market with compelling applications.
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
That would add some confusion, like about that new iPad, you know the iPad 3.
It is not about the logic. It is about convention. If every one (90% of people) refers to it as iPhone 5, then it is a nome it is most comfortable to use in the communication. (How it really be named - no one knows).
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I favour keeping the identifiers since they are currently keeping multiple models on sale. The fact that they haven't given a number to the latest iPad is kind of annoying in everyday practice and everyone is calling it the "3" anyway. The fact that they haven't given it a number and that it is visually almost identical to the 2.0 version just adds an extra layer of confusion for no reason. I've had to deal with lots and lots of non-tech people who are confused over this.
For that reason, I would go with "iPhone 6" although there is *some* logic to the iPhone 5 name if you ignore the fact that the 3G iPhone was actually the second one.
Now... I can only see the screen changing on the phone when the 3GS is totally retired (2013).
Why would the 3GS keep selling after the new iPhone is released? We're going to have a 3GS, 4, 4S, and New iPhone? So if the 4S is $99, the 4 is Free, does the 3GS pay you $100?
The 3GS is gone in the US (and most developed markets) the day the New iPhone gets announced.
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
IMO: Probably "the New iPhone", maybe the "iPhone 5", but certainly not the iPhone 6. That would cause confusion.
Cant wait for a 4"- Almost inevitable at this point with all the releases, rumors, pics, etc.
It'll be a day one for me- love the fact its longer and can't wait to see the new iOS on this device and what tricks they'll have up their sleeves.
No need to fragment the market. They don't want to sell 2 different iPhones. What do we do in 2 years? A 3.5, 4.5 2 yr old model, a 1 yr old, and current? 6 phones. The beauty about apple is they just have the "iPhone".
Friend: What did you buy?
Android Customer: An Android
Friend: What kind of android?
Customer: A Samsung
Friend: Which Samsung?
Customer: *Looks frantically for the name of phone*.......... the Galaxy
Friend: Which Galaxy?
Customer: *shoots his friend then himself*
You left out:
Friend: Which Galaxy?
Customer: Galaxy SIII
Friend: Which version of Galaxy SIII?
Not everyone wants or needs GPS, Siri, Compass, gyroscope, 4G, dual/quad core processors etc. A smaller candy colored form factored phone could be a game changer for the youth and teen market, while the iPhone 4/4S and new iPhone will appeal to the adult and business market.
Maybe, but I don't see what Apple brings to the table if you're talking about a simple candy bar phone. The more you strip out, the less need for Apple's ease of use.
It is not about the logic. It is about convention. If every one (90% of people) refers to it as iPhone 5, then it is a nome it is most comfortable to use in the communication. (How it really be named - no one knows).
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
I favour keeping the identifiers since they are currently keeping multiple models on sale. The fact that they haven't given a number to the latest iPad is kind of annoying in everyday practice and everyone is calling it the "3" anyway. The fact that they haven't given it a number and that it is visually almost identical to the 2.0 version just adds an extra layer of confusion for no reason. I've had to deal with lots and lots of non-tech people who are confused over this.
For that reason, I would go with "iPhone 6" although there is *some* logic to the iPhone 5 name if you ignore the fact that the 3G iPhone was actually the second one.
I don't know why there's so much debate all over the Apple blogosphere about the name but it's more than likely going to be known as the iPhone 5 whether Apple gives it a number designation or not. To consumers, "5" comes after "4" even though this is the 6th gen phone.
Consumer preference gradually shifting to larger screens - and the usual contra-argument "Who wants to hold a giant thing next to their ears" does not really cut anymore.
It may make thumb typing easier, and add more height for notifications, and another 'row' of app icons on the home screen, but other than that, it's not really compelling.
It wouldn't be Giant... just a tetch longer. at 16:9 the size would maybe be just a 10mm (~.4")taller. Same width, and if you carve out about 2mm from the space between the earhole and the top edge, it would fit.
Real Estate on a phone becomes a diminishing return. I do like the 16:9 ratio, but I can't see them doing it, unless some developer tells me that it's trivially easy for an iPhone app to have an add'l .47" of portrait height to a screen, and they state that that .47" is the 'notification center' or something.
It is not about the logic. It is about convention. If every one (90% of people) refers to it as iPhone 5, then it is a nome it is most comfortable to use in the communication. (How it really be named - no one knows).
How about the iPhone 4G? What if it retained the iconic exterior, mostly the same features, and added 4G as the flagship feature (along with the usual processor upgrade, and of course the new screen)?
Could they call it a 4x and have it be a hit?
Or do they really, really have to "go beyond" the 4 series?
Apple's branding abilities are second to none. It will be fun to see what their decision here will be.
But I'd wager that a LOT of normal people will call it the iPhone 5, no matter what Apple calls it. Most especially if Apple simply calls it the new iPhone.
Why would the 3GS keep selling after the new iPhone is released? We're going to have a 3GS, 4, 4S, and New iPhone? So if the 4S is $99, the 4 is Free, does the 3GS pay you $100?
The 3GS is gone in the US (and most developed markets) the day the New iPhone gets announced.
Never said stop selling. I said "totally retired." The comet's tail of support. It's still supported in iOS6. If they said that iOS6 didn't support 3GS, I'd be whistling a different tune, and see them introduce a point release this fall that introduces the new geometry.
3GS geometry won't be supported this time next year, possibly even earlier.
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Obviously PhotoShopped.
If Apple is smart they will take the vision of Chester Gould for the design of the next iPhone. The iPod Nano is the perfect starting point.
Except that's not reality, as it's not official.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It's a good thing this isn't the 5th iPhone then, isn't it!
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
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Originally Posted by jason98
Someone high at apple really loves the bezel.
This 5 year old design of the front panel does not seem to go anywhere.
For two more years and likely more we are stuck with 30% of wasted real estate.
Well, it was a such an opportunity to make it right along with UI and resolution change.
Well, in fact there is a giant picture at the top of this article of the new bezels and they are quite a bit smaller than on the 4s, so in fact they *have* changed the bezels, and they *have* made them smaller.
It's pretty clear even without measuring (and I'm not sure how this picture is all over the Interwebs this morning without anyone thinking to actually measure it), that the top and bottom bezels are narrower by about 2-3mm each. The ratio of screen to bezel has clearly gone up although without measurements it's difficult to say how much.
The bezels couldn't actually be any smaller without losing essential features like the Home button or not being able to hold the phone when gaming etc. I'm not sure what you expected given the normal constraints of being able to hold the phone, pick it up easily etc.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Except that's not reality, as it's not official.
As opposed to the content of this article, showing what the case for the new iPhone is. This is official and is reality.
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Originally Posted by enature
funny, as everyone saying it will sell millions but no one particularly crazy about the design. If this is indeed iPhone 5, imho this is the biggest strategic mistake of Apple in the last decade because the new form is just is a tiny 0.5" lengthening of the screen. Consumer preference gradually shifting to larger screens - and the usual contra-argument "Who wants to hold a giant thing next to their ears" does not really cut anymore. People use phones for anything but talking. While many people will still insist that 3.5" screen is the coolest thing ever, what is really important here, is to spot the trend. Gradually and persistently large screens become cool. While in the US, 3.5" iPhone still rules, I see that in other parts of the world people oddly fall in love with even super-large screens (Galaxy Note for example). This is because a larger screen is more functional for anything but talking. And what is cool is ultimately defined by functionality. I think the new long iPhone will sell millions but it will be the first Apple phone which will sell less than its predecessor..
Well I sure can agree with much of your point, but yet I wouldn't bet on the last sentence.
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
I favour keeping the identifiers since they are currently keeping multiple models on sale. The fact that they haven't given a number to the latest iPad is kind of annoying in everyday practice and everyone is calling it the "3" anyway. The fact that they haven't given it a number and that it is visually almost identical to the 2.0 version just adds an extra layer of confusion for no reason. I've had to deal with lots and lots of non-tech people who are confused over this.
For that reason, I would go with "iPhone 6" although there is *some* logic to the iPhone 5 name if you ignore the fact that the 3G iPhone was actually the second one.
My guess is someone with time on their hands and access to a 3D printer created these two models we are looking at in the picture. Simple easy thing to do.
at 16:9 what's the pixel dimensions going to be? Until someone answers that intelligently (including how the extra pixels will be used) , I can't see them changing the screen size beyond the current 3.5" screen.
source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apples-tim-cook-rules-out-iphone-5-with-4-inch-screen/78626
Apple won't be creating 8 different iOS screen real estates.... 480x320 (3GS) 960x640, 1024*768, 2048x1536 will be it for 2012/13.
Now... I can only see the screen changing on the phone when the 3GS is totally retired (2013). Tim Cook wants all the developers to develop to the iPad2/3, and the iPhone 4gs(5), and swamp the market with compelling applications.
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
That would add some confusion, like about that new iPad, you know the iPad 3.
It is not about the logic. It is about convention. If every one (90% of people) refers to it as iPhone 5, then it is a nome it is most comfortable to use in the communication. (How it really be named - no one knows).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I favour keeping the identifiers since they are currently keeping multiple models on sale. The fact that they haven't given a number to the latest iPad is kind of annoying in everyday practice and everyone is calling it the "3" anyway. The fact that they haven't given it a number and that it is visually almost identical to the 2.0 version just adds an extra layer of confusion for no reason. I've had to deal with lots and lots of non-tech people who are confused over this.
For that reason, I would go with "iPhone 6" although there is *some* logic to the iPhone 5 name if you ignore the fact that the 3G iPhone was actually the second one.
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff
Now... I can only see the screen changing on the phone when the 3GS is totally retired (2013).
Why would the 3GS keep selling after the new iPhone is released? We're going to have a 3GS, 4, 4S, and New iPhone? So if the 4S is $99, the 4 is Free, does the 3GS pay you $100?
The 3GS is gone in the US (and most developed markets) the day the New iPhone gets announced.
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Originally Posted by MojoRisinSD
Thank you! I am almost positive this will not be referred to as "iPhone 5". The only iPhone that has followed that naming scheme has been the iPhone 4, because it was in fact the 4th gen iPhone. This will be the 6th gen, and most likely drop the identifiers and just be "iPhone".
IMO: Probably "the New iPhone", maybe the "iPhone 5", but certainly not the iPhone 6. That would cause confusion.
You left out:
Friend: Which Galaxy?
Customer: Galaxy SIII
Friend: Which version of Galaxy SIII?
THEN, customer pulls out the gun.
Maybe, but I don't see what Apple brings to the table if you're talking about a simple candy bar phone. The more you strip out, the less need for Apple's ease of use.
I don't know why there's so much debate all over the Apple blogosphere about the name but it's more than likely going to be known as the iPhone 5 whether Apple gives it a number designation or not. To consumers, "5" comes after "4" even though this is the 6th gen phone.
Quote:
Consumer preference gradually shifting to larger screens - and the usual contra-argument "Who wants to hold a giant thing next to their ears" does not really cut anymore.
It may make thumb typing easier, and add more height for notifications, and another 'row' of app icons on the home screen, but other than that, it's not really compelling.
It wouldn't be Giant... just a tetch longer. at 16:9 the size would maybe be just a 10mm (~.4")taller. Same width, and if you carve out about 2mm from the space between the earhole and the top edge, it would fit.
Real Estate on a phone becomes a diminishing return. I do like the 16:9 ratio, but I can't see them doing it, unless some developer tells me that it's trivially easy for an iPhone app to have an add'l .47" of portrait height to a screen, and they state that that .47" is the 'notification center' or something.
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Originally Posted by Andysol
Android Customer: An Android
Friend: What kind of android?
Customer: A Samsung
Friend: Which Samsung?
Customer: *Looks frantically for the name of phone*.......... the Galaxy
Friend: Which Galaxy?
Customer: *shoots his friend then himself*
Friend: What did you buy?
Apple Customer: The iPhone.
Nobody has ever done that before. If somebody buys a Galaxy, they know exactly what they bought.
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Originally Posted by Doorman.
It is not about the logic. It is about convention. If every one (90% of people) refers to it as iPhone 5, then it is a nome it is most comfortable to use in the communication. (How it really be named - no one knows).
How about the iPhone 4G? What if it retained the iconic exterior, mostly the same features, and added 4G as the flagship feature (along with the usual processor upgrade, and of course the new screen)?
Could they call it a 4x and have it be a hit?
Or do they really, really have to "go beyond" the 4 series?
Apple's branding abilities are second to none. It will be fun to see what their decision here will be.
But I'd wager that a LOT of normal people will call it the iPhone 5, no matter what Apple calls it. Most especially if Apple simply calls it the new iPhone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andysol
Why would the 3GS keep selling after the new iPhone is released? We're going to have a 3GS, 4, 4S, and New iPhone? So if the 4S is $99, the 4 is Free, does the 3GS pay you $100?
The 3GS is gone in the US (and most developed markets) the day the New iPhone gets announced.
Never said stop selling. I said "totally retired." The comet's tail of support. It's still supported in iOS6. If they said that iOS6 didn't support 3GS, I'd be whistling a different tune, and see them introduce a point release this fall that introduces the new geometry.
3GS geometry won't be supported this time next year, possibly even earlier.