Where have they done that? Last I heard MS still sells Office 2011 and likely will be selling Office 2014 which will again be different from the recently announced Office 2013 (Windows). MS has not announced that they are stopping anything on the Mac.
I like to M$ bash as much as the next guy, but this is really non-news.
They had $6.1 billion in profit this quarter, except they decided to do some shady accounting in regards to the acquisition of aQuantive in 2007. Meaning they spent the $6.3B 5 years ago and reporting that money as lost this quarter. Obviously they made a profit that quarter in 2007 even after wasting the money, so this is just tricky bookkeeping (probably to reduce their tax responsibility).
So, no this is not the beginning of the end for M$, as much as we all would like it to be.
Apple does not do low margins. The enterprise market will have to come to Apple.
Not a cat in hells chance and anyway it's a bit difficult if Apple don't have any enterprise products to offer, which is why Microsoft will keep rolling along making a tidy profit most of the time.
I'm sure a lot of companies will adopt the iPad but it's not going to replace their Windows desktops and Exchange Server networks.
It's a shame Apple opted to move away from the enterprise market because Microsoft is there for the taking. Most of their profits come from areas were they still have a dominant market position or virtual monopoly - Windows, Exchange and Office.
The iPad will bring Apple back into the enterprise fold. It has already started. The typical desktop PC will take a back seat to portability as a mainstream in a couple of years, if not less. Desktops will still be needed, but the quantities, up front and on-going investments, will lesson, opening the door for some the best of Apple's workstations. It's only a matter of time before the enterprise community gets 'tapped' in to Apple's ecosystem. Same principal as the iPhone.
The iPad will bring Apple back into the enterprise fold. It has already started. The typical desktop PC will take a back seat to portability as a mainstream in a couple of years, if not less. Desktops will still be needed, but the quantities, up front and on-going investments, will lesson, opening the door for some the best of Apple's workstations. It's only a matter of time before the enterprise community gets 'tapped' in to Apple's ecosystem. Same principal as the iPhone.
Why? Why would you swap your comfortable to use, ergonomic desktop for an iPad? I just don't see the reasoning. Who wants to sit and stare at a 10" screen all day? That would drive me mad. I can see that you might have a desktop as your primary machine and a tablet as your secondary portable machine instead of a laptop but not the other way around.
And I don't see how this opens the door to the Apple workstations. Have you ever bought a small business computer system? I have and I can tell you Apple didn't even come close. I bought a Dell Server and PCs with MS Exchange Server for a fraction of what it would cost to install Apple kit. Enterprise is all about price which is why Apple got out in the first place. Fortunately you can always add Macs into that ecosystem if needs be.
Apple has done away with X-Serve and downgraded it's server solution in Mountain Lion so even if you wanted to go for an Apple solution you can't. What would you buy - a Mac Mini? Yeah right. If you're a small business with a handful of Macs you could always go peer-to-peer I guess or use a Cloud based network solution but it's hardly an ideal solution for most small businesses. Maybe Apple has something up their sleeve with iCloud - I hope so. The Microsoft solution was a nightmare to administer and costly to maintain but without a viable alternative what are you supposed to do.
Why? Why would you swap your comfortable to use, ergonomic desktop for an iPad? I just don't see the reasoning. Who wants to sit and stare at a 10" screen all day? That would drive me mad. I can see that you might have a desktop as your primary machine and a tablet as your secondary portable machine instead of a laptop but not the other way around.
And I don't see how this opens the door to the Apple workstations. Have you ever bought a small business computer system? I have and I can tell you Apple didn't even come close. I bought a Dell Server and PCs with MS Exchange Server for a fraction of what it would cost to install Apple kit. Enterprise is all about price which is why Apple got out in the first place. Fortunately you can always add Macs into that ecosystem if needs be.
Apple has done away with X-Serve and downgraded it's server solution in Mountain Lion so even if you wanted to go for an Apple solution you can't. What would you buy - a Mac Mini? Yeah right. If you're a small business with a handful of Macs you could always go peer-to-peer I guess or use a Cloud based network solution but it's hardly an ideal solution for most small businesses. Maybe Apple has something up their sleeve with iCloud - I hope so. The Microsoft solution was a nightmare to administer and costly to maintain but without a viable alternative what are you supposed to do.
I agree with this. Nicely summarized. Apple will likely end up with some decent, but not huge share -- say, in the teens -- in the enterprise over time (e.g., one can see senior managers of many companies on Macs), with Microsoft still being the back (and low) end.
Microsoft invested in apple and declared future support to its mac office suite to instill confidence not only to investors but users as well. Did this save apple? Most will argue yes. Others don't
Microsoft invested in apple and declared future support to its mac office suite to instill confidence not only to investors but users as well. Did this save apple? Most will argue yes. Others don't
Because 'most' are Windows users and hence, biased.
Well whatever happened I was at Mac World when Steve said (paraphrasing) "And now Mac OS ships with the best browser on the market today, Microsoft Internet Explorer. IE will be the default browser on Mac OS." He was nearly booed of the stage. The crowd was very displeased by that remark in light of the overwhelming support Mac users had for Netscape at the time.
They didn't bail out Apple. Apple bailed themselves out, with court backing, using Microsoft's money.
You may want to pull your head out of the sand and do a little research. I know you hate anything not Apple but Google is your friend. News flash, you do not walk away with a cross licensing if what you say is true.
You may want to not scroll past the first twenty Google results to find a bias blog to support your blindness. You do not walk away with cross licensing if you are not in he drivers seat for this deal.
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That's quite a tank of profit.
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Originally Posted by 9secondko
And their solution to stop losing money?
Stop selling on Mac.
Where have they done that? Last I heard MS still sells Office 2011 and likely will be selling Office 2014 which will again be different from the recently announced Office 2013 (Windows). MS has not announced that they are stopping anything on the Mac.
I like to M$ bash as much as the next guy, but this is really non-news.
They had $6.1 billion in profit this quarter, except they decided to do some shady accounting in regards to the acquisition of aQuantive in 2007. Meaning they spent the $6.3B 5 years ago and reporting that money as lost this quarter. Obviously they made a profit that quarter in 2007 even after wasting the money, so this is just tricky bookkeeping (probably to reduce their tax responsibility).
So, no this is not the beginning of the end for M$, as much as we all would like it to be.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
I am sure if they get desperate, they can use all that cross licensing they acquired when the bailed Apple so many years ago.
Apple has a couple hundred million on it's books when that deal happened; Microsoft did not bail out Apple.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Apple does not do low margins. The enterprise market will have to come to Apple.
Not a cat in hells chance and anyway it's a bit difficult if Apple don't have any enterprise products to offer, which is why Microsoft will keep rolling along making a tidy profit most of the time.
I'm sure a lot of companies will adopt the iPad but it's not going to replace their Windows desktops and Exchange Server networks.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK
It's a shame Apple opted to move away from the enterprise market because Microsoft is there for the taking. Most of their profits come from areas were they still have a dominant market position or virtual monopoly - Windows, Exchange and Office.
The iPad will bring Apple back into the enterprise fold. It has already started. The typical desktop PC will take a back seat to portability as a mainstream in a couple of years, if not less. Desktops will still be needed, but the quantities, up front and on-going investments, will lesson, opening the door for some the best of Apple's workstations. It's only a matter of time before the enterprise community gets 'tapped' in to Apple's ecosystem. Same principal as the iPhone.
Apple should return the favor and help Microsoft out with a bail out.......NAH
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
I am sure if they get desperate, they can use all that cross licensing they acquired when the bailed Apple so many years ago.
Apple wasn't bailed out... here is a good description of what really happened.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/stop-the-lies-the-day-that-microsoft-saved-apple/7036
Huh... What makes you think I would bet differently?
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Originally Posted by cmvsm
The iPad will bring Apple back into the enterprise fold. It has already started. The typical desktop PC will take a back seat to portability as a mainstream in a couple of years, if not less. Desktops will still be needed, but the quantities, up front and on-going investments, will lesson, opening the door for some the best of Apple's workstations. It's only a matter of time before the enterprise community gets 'tapped' in to Apple's ecosystem. Same principal as the iPhone.
Why? Why would you swap your comfortable to use, ergonomic desktop for an iPad? I just don't see the reasoning. Who wants to sit and stare at a 10" screen all day? That would drive me mad. I can see that you might have a desktop as your primary machine and a tablet as your secondary portable machine instead of a laptop but not the other way around.
And I don't see how this opens the door to the Apple workstations. Have you ever bought a small business computer system? I have and I can tell you Apple didn't even come close. I bought a Dell Server and PCs with MS Exchange Server for a fraction of what it would cost to install Apple kit. Enterprise is all about price which is why Apple got out in the first place. Fortunately you can always add Macs into that ecosystem if needs be.
Apple has done away with X-Serve and downgraded it's server solution in Mountain Lion so even if you wanted to go for an Apple solution you can't. What would you buy - a Mac Mini? Yeah right. If you're a small business with a handful of Macs you could always go peer-to-peer I guess or use a Cloud based network solution but it's hardly an ideal solution for most small businesses. Maybe Apple has something up their sleeve with iCloud - I hope so. The Microsoft solution was a nightmare to administer and costly to maintain but without a viable alternative what are you supposed to do.
You made a couple comments that state it will occur again. I guess I assumed too much by thinking you meant in concurrent quarters.
I agree with this. Nicely summarized. Apple will likely end up with some decent, but not huge share -- say, in the teens -- in the enterprise over time (e.g., one can see senior managers of many companies on Macs), with Microsoft still being the back (and low) end.
Microsoft invested in apple and declared future support to its mac office suite to instill confidence not only to investors but users as well. Did this save apple? Most will argue yes. Others don't
I made one comment generally agreeing with Quadra's sentiment, and then qualified it. You may want to re-read what I wrote.
Because 'most' are Windows users and hence, biased.
What else would you expect?
Somehow Ballmer still has a job...what has he produced in the last decade that makes money?
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Originally Posted by doh123
Apple wasn't bailed out... here is a good description of what really happened.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/stop-the-lies-the-day-that-microsoft-saved-apple/7036
Well whatever happened I was at Mac World when Steve said (paraphrasing) "And now Mac OS ships with the best browser on the market today, Microsoft Internet Explorer. IE will be the default browser on Mac OS." He was nearly booed of the stage. The crowd was very displeased by that remark in light of the overwhelming support Mac users had for Netscape at the time.
You may want to pull your head out of the sand and do a little research. I know you hate anything not Apple but Google is your friend. News flash, you do not walk away with a cross licensing if what you say is true.
You may want to not scroll past the first twenty Google results to find a bias blog to support your blindness. You do not walk away with cross licensing if you are not in he drivers seat for this deal.